I don't see how it can be. None of the examples have it that way.

@@ -16,1 +16,0 @@
-<pos>&vs;</pos>

is the "market share" sense really vs?

koj, daij, meikyo, gg5 all have 'market share'

@@ -12,0 +12,7 @@
+<gloss>sharing</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1126220">マーケットシェア</xref>
+<gloss>market share</gloss>

hatena
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/keyword/������
saw this on FB: "XXさんからのシェア❤ (picture)"

@@ -10,1 +10,2 @@
-<gloss>(market) share</gloss>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>share</gloss>

Didn't you introduce a new option recently to display the katakana first?

I think I like this better.

daij

anything that obscure probably shouldn't get a headword over the commonly used katakana loanword.  and (in my own personal opinion) i wouldn't bother with many of those archaic kanji writings. i think it's best to clear them with a kokugo first to see which ones dictionary compilers have thought worthy of inclusion.  but i don't speak for jim or paul

@@ -4,3 +4,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>洋袴</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -9,1 +6,0 @@
-<re_nokanji/>
@@ -13,4 +9,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ずぼん</reb>
-<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf>
-</r_ele>
@@ -19,0 +11,1 @@
+<s_inf>also written as 洋袴 and 段袋 during the Meiji period</s_inf>

http://www.kanjijiten.net/nandoku/foreign.html

there's a whole wonderful list full of these odd little gems, but how to mark them... they certainly aren't in common use (anymore)

@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>洋袴</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -6,0 +9,1 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -8,0 +12,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ずぼん</reb>
+<re_inf>&gikun;</re_inf>

daijr, daijs, nikk

@@ -13,0 +14,6 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<field>&sports;</field>
+<gloss>change of sides (in baseball, tennis, volleyball, etc.)</gloss>

Looks OK to me.

@@ -18 +18 @@
-<gloss>exchange (e.g. goods)</gloss>
+<gloss>exchange (e.g. of goods)</gloss>

GG5, 中辞典, etc.

The JEs don't split, but the English terms are different. Sense 2 matches the brothel story?

@@ -12,0 +13,6 @@
+<gloss>changing</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>exchange (e.g. goods)</gloss>

https://rocketnews24.com/2017/09/26/960371/
【激白】元ラブホテル従業員が語る「風俗店のチェンジ」の実態ついて / 約5年間の勤務で遭遇したのは○○回！
世の中には、信じられないほど心の強い人がいるものだ。いわゆる「折れないハート」の持ち主たちだが、そんな人でさえ「チェンジは言えない」という
意見が多いハズだ。ここはボヤかさずにハッキリ書こう、風俗店でお相手が気に入らなかった場合に可能な、あの “チェンジ” のことである。

チェンジは多くの風俗店で採用されているシステムだが、果たして本当に「チェンジ！」と発した心の強すぎる男性は実在するのだろうか？　今回は元ラ
ブホテル従業員に、チェンジの実態についてインタビューしてみたのでご覧いただきたい。

https://momojob.net/wordbook/detail/144/
チェンジとは、デリヘルで派遣された子が気に入らない場合、お客さんが別の子を派遣しなおしてもらうことです。

お客さんがデリヘルで派遣されてきた女の子を一目見て気に入らないとき、お店に連絡して別の女の子を派遣してもらうことを「チェンジ」といいます。

I'm logging out for today but I just remembered hearing this word on an old Gottsu Ee Kanji sketch where there's a brothel or デ
リベル setting and the client shouts "チェンジ!" when he's not happy with the first woman (played by a man).

daij jawiki all say it's wasei. It might have gained some 
traction in English via 逆輸入 but certainly not to the 
extent that lolicon has.

@@ -13 +13,4 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
+<lsource ls_wasei="y">Lolita complex</lsource>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ロリータ・コンプレックス</reb>

I sometimes check twitter for mentions of jmdict/jisho and I've noticed that this entry frequently comes up for discussion. It's apparent there's a sizable contingent of anime/manga fans who are into "lolicon content" that are adamant that being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls is a completely different thing from pedophilia. I don't know anything about Kevin in particular and am certainly not accusing him of anything, but I think we need to be aware there are a lot of people online who are very strongly opposed to "ロリコン" being defined as "pedophile" solely because it makes them feel personally attacked. Here's an example of a recent (June 24) Twitter thread where you can see how this usually plays out: https://twitter.com/COEofTypo/status/1539386476537970689 (there's a lot of replies but here's one that leads into this discussion of our definition as it appeared at the time on Jisho: https://twitter.com/ElFazendobarra/status/1539858524548632576 )

The argument that people on Twitter are making (that it seems Kevin is similarly arguing for) is that "ロリコン" should not be translated as "pedophile" because there are other words in Japanese that are also translated as "pedophilia/pedophile" and there is a distinction between those words (ペドフィリア/小児性愛 etc.) and ロリコン. While this is no doubt true, that it's only ロリコン that is used self-referentially, this doesn't mean that glosses like "male pedophile" or "male pedophilia" don't also belong here. We are not only concerned with getting the nuance right but also conveying the actual meaning of the word. Kevin changed "male pedophilia" to "sexual attraction to young girls" and "male pedophile" to "male with such an attraction", but are these really closer in nuance and meaning to ロリコン or just wordier and wafflier ways of saying the exact same things? That's a rhetorical question - it's obvious to me its the latter. It's hairsplitting. Look up the definitions of "pedophile" and "pedophilia" in any English dictionary. Notice also that ALL the kokugo definitions for ロリコン mention "性欲" - that an otaku-dominated wiki site like pixiv disagrees ("特別な感情" is what they call it) seems entirely irrelevant to me. This isn't a case of "Western bias", it's a case of looking at reliable sources instead of user-generated content.

I agree that "lolicon" rather than "male pedophile" should lead, for nuance etc. reasons, but that word will be meaningless to a lot of people, so we need to also include glosses that pithily explain what this actually means. We always strive for the most economical definitions so why exactly is it that we shouldn't call a spade a spade here?

Another point about the other reference Kevin posted is a blog post written by a person calling himself "初老のオタ" and the argument he is making is that ロリコン IS in fact used to refer to male pedophiles/pedophilia in Japanese media but that he finds this usage "wrong" because he has personally somewhat convolutedly decided that a "ロリコン" is somebody who is "sexually or romantically attracted to underage girls but doesn't necessarily want to act on it in real life" and that a ペド on the other hand is somebody whose "ultimate purpose" (最終目的) is to have sex with underage girls:

"ロリコン、ペド、チャイルド・マレスター……
これらの違いが曖昧な日本ならではの報道だなぁと。
...
少女・幼女に対し性的嗜好や恋愛感情を持つ事で、
最終的目標が性交の有無であるか否かは関係ありません。
...
●ロリは必ずしも性交を最終目的とはしておらず、
　ペドは性交を最終目的としている。"

We should really not be concerned with what "otaku purists" consider the correct use of the word (which by the way still would translate into "male pedophile" in English) but with how it's actually used in mainstream Japanese society. For more on that, see the multiple links I've previously posted.

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>oft. used self-referentially</s_inf>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I missed this, apologies. Kevin, welcome to JMDict. We always appreciate input on definitions but the multiple accusations of "cultural ignorance", "Western bias", "chauvinism", "strangeness" and  "glibness" are not at all appropriate and if you wish to continue participating in the discussion on how we should define this word, I would hope you would afford other editors more respect than you've done so far. I've changed "male with _such_ an attraction" to "male (sexually) attracted to young girls" because style-wise, we try to avoid glosses that explicitly refer to previous ones. I don't have time right now but I will try and revisit this at a later date as I'm not sure I fully agree with the changes made.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>
+<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>

Hmm. I guess this covers Marcus' view on  "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia" references.

Kevin's case and amendments seem sound but I'd like to see Marcus's response before approving.

日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。(wiki)

現在では幼い少女を性的に好んでいる人のことを指して使われることが多いが、本来ロリータ・コンプレックスとは性的な意味合いは薄く、（異性愛の）女性がロリータ・コンプレックスであるということも大いにありえる。本来は対象は「美」少女に限らない。(pixiv)

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン

A whole blog post on the subject:
http://yamatoasuka02.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-762.html?sp

Video series on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lETPaGnl2aI&ab_channel=PauseandSelect

Many of the references given by others below, despite their intentions, clearly imply a distinction between the concepts of lolicon and pedophilia. Some of them, such as the Wiki quote, literally state that they are different concepts. Despite this, this same reference was somehow used to justify including the gloss of "pedophile"? Truly strange, and obviously Western bias.

The pixiv article clearly states that lolicon is not necessarily sexual, which is not something that can be said about the different concept of pedophilia. Indeed, the very fact that "pedophilia" has entered the Japanese lexicon in katakana implies a core difference.

The blog article I provide underscores the fact that this is, at best, a debated topic. The current entry glibly sides with one side of this "debate" in a way that is unscholarly. Japan has a big cultural preference for the young and 未熟, and understanding that at a deep level is essential to understanding why it's inappropriate to glibly label lolicon to be pedophilia.

Honestly, they are quite obviously similar but different concepts, and it's culturally ignorant and chauvinistic to include this gloss.

@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>

https://nikkan-spa.jp/1481525
小児性愛は病気なのか？人口の5％いる彼らの犯罪を防ぐには
さらに、週刊誌報道によると、「中学生時代は遊び相手といえば小さな子どもだった」「いつも小さな子にベタベタと接する」といった記事もあり、今回の事件もいわゆる「ロリコン」――小児性愛者による犯
罪で、しかも、再犯だったと見られる。
...
まず、「ロリコン」とも言われる小児性愛は“病気”なのだろうか？
this article treats ロリコン as a colloquial term for 小児性愛者/小児性愛 (pedophile/pedophilia)

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/301509001364/
"幼児性愛病者（ロリコン）の魔法を完全に解くことができず、10歳の子供と18歳の大人姿の二重生活をしながら王宮に勤めるリーフィア。"
as does this one

https://www.cocolabo.me/loli-com/
"世の中には社会的に認められない欲望というものがあります。その中の一つとして割とメジャーなものが「子どもへの性的欲求」いわゆる「ロリコン」です。
精神医学的には、13歳以下の子どもへ性的欲求を持つことを「幼児性愛」（ペドフェリア）と呼びます。（参考：小児性愛障害-MSDマニュアル）"
and this one

https://www.mag2.com/p/money/1076497
"ロリコン犯罪の温床「性的同意年齢13歳」をすぐに引き上げよ。親の貧困化とSNSも要因、少年少女の性暴力被害者増加＝鈴木傾城"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/195397d3006e3ef705118829b4e31f779a8068eb
《少女わいせつ》前科3犯・ロリコン容疑者の卑劣な手口と、実母が涙で語る“性依存の闇”
"すでに仕事を引退し、いまは農業を営む両親。40歳近くにもなって自立せず、性犯罪を繰り返すロリコン息子についてどう考えているのか。"
　"改めて翌日、自宅にいる母親を訪ねてみた。すると、
「本当にすみません……。もうどうしていいのか……。息子は完全に（性犯罪の）依存症です……」"

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Tocana_201805_post_16895/
週刊誌記者によると「自宅へのガサ入れで幼児性愛者である証拠品が押収されたとの情報もある。やはりロリコンの線は消せない」という。

https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/10174
新潟少女殺害死体遺棄事件 「ロリコン性欲者」小林遼容疑者野放し

https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/29765
子どもへの性加害は「平均週2～3回」小児性犯罪者のすさまじい実態
「そりゃセックスもしましたよ。恋人同士ですもん。それを周りの人たちが、ぶち壊したんです。私がロリコンで、Yちゃんは被害者だといって引き離したんです。
　私はそんな人達によって犯罪者にさせられました。おかしいのはどっちだっていいたいです……」
　これは、12歳の少女に性加害をした49歳の男性の言葉である。

https://somec.org/activity2012.html
"「小児性愛は日本では『ロリコン』など好みの一種とされ、治療が受けにくい状況だ。治せる疾患という認識を社会が共有し、加害者をなくす道を広げるべきだ」と話す。"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/11ef2d546dd9c5be5d70e3a7eb861825eaed35de
3月場所中「16歳の少女」になりすまし11歳女児を…ロリコン力士の巧妙かつ卑劣な手口

https://dot.asahi.com/webdoku/2017060700082.html
ロリコン大国ニッポン 「アメリカだったら児童ポルノ扱い」

jawiki:ペドフィリア
日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。

https://www.police.pref.wakayama.lg.jp/01_anzen/syonen/kanren/index.html
児童ポルノとは、児童（18歳未満の少年。以下同じ。）を性欲の対象にした、児童のわいせつな画像(写真や動画など)のことをいいます。世間では、「ロリコン」といった呼び方で、児童ポルノを成人向けア
ダルト製品と見る風潮があります。しかしその本質は、児童に対する性犯罪・性的虐待の記録にほかなりません。
Here's a page from the Wakayama Prefectrual police explicitly saying that "lolicon" is the same thing as child pornography.



https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-08-09/.149914
English language discussion where a manga translator suggests "pedophile" can't be the correct translation for ロリコン because the word "ペドファイル" (a pretty rare word 
in Japanese) exists. I disagree.


Daijs: "幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理"
Daijr: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理"
Koj: "性的対象として少女・幼女を愛すること。"
Shinjirin: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。"
Nikk: "男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。"

I think it's remiss to not include the glosses "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia". It's obvious that in Japan, this is how the word is used.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>

Reopen.

Perhaps this addresses Marcus' point? I'll approve and reopen.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Chanced upon this headline just now:
少女買春ロリコン大富豪のジェフリー・エプスタイン逮
捕で新世界秩序の予定が狂う!? 陰謀の世界が大混乱… 
モサドが全方位で暗躍中！

daijr: 性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。
nikk:男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。
daijs: 幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。

I agree 1 sense is actually better, but 
the previous glosses "male pedophile" and 
"male sexually attracted to prepubescent 
girls" align much closer with what's in 
the kokugos. The new glosses on the other 
hand skip out on the "性愛／性欲” part 
(which is in all 3 kokugos) and on the "男
性が、” in nikk. So I don't see how that's 
an improvement.

reopen

english wikipedia

i don't think it's sexist, but i agree that it's too limited.  also, i don't think it's two senses.  we usually put the person in together with the action, etc.

i'm temp approving because i think the existing entry is clearly not right

the proposed "definition" is not appropriate for a japanese-english dictionary

@@ -9,7 +8,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

The definition of "lolicon" is 
problematic, and I'd like to persuade you 
to update it since it is misinformation 
and sexist.

The definition erroneously uses the 
definition of male paedophile. A 
paedophile is the attraction to 
prepubescent individuals, and pedophilia 
is the attraction itself to prepubescent 
individuals. The term "Lolita" comes from 
the novel and is only about an early 
adolescence girl. Lolita was depicted as 
12 in the novel, and 14 in the film. 99% 
of the depictions of fictional minors in 
the lolicon genre have small breasts. 
Prepubescent children don't have breasts. 
They're flat as a board.

The shotacon entry doesn't say "female 
pedophile". This is sexist because it 
implies only men can have attractions to 
minors. Women can be attracted to female 
and/or male minors and men can be 
attracted to male minors.

Here is my proposed updated definition 
with better parity to shotacon:

ロリコン (lolicon) sometimes shortened to 
ロリ (loli), is a Japanese slang 
portmanteau of the phrase "lolita complex" 
and describes an attraction to early 
adolescent girls, or an individual with 
such an attraction, although it has become 
a blanket term to refer to any minor 
attracted person/attraction to a minor. 
Outside Japan, the term is used less often 
with this meaning, and is used to refer to 
a genre of manga and anime wherein mostly 
preadolescent or early adolescent female 
characters are depicted in a suggestive or 
erotic manner.

daij　gg5 jawiki
Daij and jawiki say "lolita complex" is wasei. Enwiki has 
no article on "lolita complex", only on "lolicon" 
(interestingly, that page does not show up in Google 
searches)

I don't think ロリ and ロリコン should be the same entry. 
Splitting out ロリ
_
Based on enwiki, it seems "lolicon" can refer both to 
the "phenomenon" and the "person" in English. I think 
the English term refers esp. to a

@@ -7,3 +7,7 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ロリ</reb>
-</r_ele>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+</sense>
@@ -13 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2399250">小児性愛者</xref>
@@ -15,5 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>portraying children in an erotic style</gloss>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I'll align the ロリータコンプレックス and ロリ glosses.

I don't mind it.

I asked a native speaker btw what they thought and they said （ことばとして）軽いじゃ軽いけど、ペドファイルじゃペドファイル。 I don't think they're actually considered two different things to most Japanese (outside of the otaku realm), but it might certainly be the case that there's a weaker connotation of "actual child molester" than there is for say ペドファイル.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>sexual obsession with young girls</gloss>

GG5: 〔その男性〕 a man attracted to very young girls.
●あいつはロリコンだ. He's into very young girls. | He has a thing for very young girls.
中辞典:  a sexual obsession with young girls; a “Lolita complex”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

I'll accept that pedophile/pedophilia are probably accurate glosses, but I note that the JEs avoid that term. I suspect that in Japan there is a view that lolicon and pedophilia are slightly different things, but if you look at the actual definition of pedophilia, they are really the same.
Is there a problem with including "sexual obsession with young girls" in the glosses?

I sometimes check twitter for mentions of jmdict/jisho and I've noticed that this entry frequently comes up for discussion. It's apparent there's a sizable contingent of anime/manga fans who are into "lolicon content" that are adamant that being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls is a completely different thing from pedophilia. I don't know anything about Kevin in particular and am certainly not accusing him of anything, but I think we need to be aware there are a lot of people online who are very strongly opposed to "ロリコン" being defined as "pedophile" solely because it makes them feel personally attacked. Here's an example of a recent (June 24) Twitter thread where you can see how this usually plays out: https://twitter.com/COEofTypo/status/1539386476537970689 (there's a lot of replies but here's one that leads into this discussion of our definition as it appeared at the time on Jisho: https://twitter.com/ElFazendobarra/status/1539858524548632576 )

The argument that people on Twitter are making (that it seems Kevin is similarly arguing for) is that "ロリコン" should not be translated as "pedophile" because there are other words in Japanese that are also translated as "pedophilia/pedophile" and there is a distinction between those words (ペドフィリア/小児性愛 etc.) and ロリコン. While this is no doubt true, that it's only ロリコン that is used self-referentially, this doesn't mean that glosses like "male pedophile" or "male pedophilia" don't also belong here. We are not only concerned with getting the nuance right but also conveying the actual meaning of the word. Kevin changed "male pedophilia" to "sexual attraction to young girls" and "male pedophile" to "male with such an attraction", but are these really closer in nuance and meaning to ロリコン or just wordier and wafflier ways of saying the exact same things? That's a rhetorical question - it's obvious to me its the latter. It's hairsplitting. Look up the definitions of "pedophile" and "pedophilia" in any English dictionary. Notice also that ALL the kokugo definitions for ロリコン mention "性欲" - that an otaku-dominated wiki site like pixiv disagrees ("特別な感情" is what they call it) seems entirely irrelevant to me. This isn't a case of "Western bias", it's a case of looking at reliable sources instead of user-generated content.

I agree that "lolicon" rather than "male pedophile" should lead, for nuance etc. reasons, but that word will be meaningless to a lot of people, so we need to also include glosses that pithily explain what this actually means. We always strive for the most economical definitions so why exactly is it that we shouldn't call a spade a spade here?

Another point about the other reference Kevin posted is a blog post written by a person calling himself "初老のオタ" and the argument he is making is that ロリコン IS in fact used to refer to male pedophiles/pedophilia in Japanese media but that he finds this usage "wrong" because he has personally somewhat convolutedly decided that a "ロリコン" is somebody who is "sexually or romantically attracted to underage girls but doesn't necessarily want to act on it in real life" and that a ペド on the other hand is somebody whose "ultimate purpose" (最終目的) is to have sex with underage girls:

"ロリコン、ペド、チャイルド・マレスター……
これらの違いが曖昧な日本ならではの報道だなぁと。
...
少女・幼女に対し性的嗜好や恋愛感情を持つ事で、
最終的目標が性交の有無であるか否かは関係ありません。
...
●ロリは必ずしも性交を最終目的とはしておらず、
　ペドは性交を最終目的としている。"

We should really not be concerned with what "otaku purists" consider the correct use of the word (which by the way still would translate into "male pedophile" in English) but with how it's actually used in mainstream Japanese society. For more on that, see the multiple links I've previously posted.

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>oft. used self-referentially</s_inf>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I missed this, apologies. Kevin, welcome to JMDict. We always appreciate input on definitions but the multiple accusations of "cultural ignorance", "Western bias", "chauvinism", "strangeness" and  "glibness" are not at all appropriate and if you wish to continue participating in the discussion on how we should define this word, I would hope you would afford other editors more respect than you've done so far. I've changed "male with _such_ an attraction" to "male (sexually) attracted to young girls" because style-wise, we try to avoid glosses that explicitly refer to previous ones. I don't have time right now but I will try and revisit this at a later date as I'm not sure I fully agree with the changes made.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>
+<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>

Hmm. I guess this covers Marcus' view on  "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia" references.

Kevin's case and amendments seem sound but I'd like to see Marcus's response before approving.

日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。(wiki)

現在では幼い少女を性的に好んでいる人のことを指して使われることが多いが、本来ロリータ・コンプレックスとは性的な意味合いは薄く、（異性愛の）女性がロリータ・コンプレックスであるということも大いにありえる。本来は対象は「美」少女に限らない。(pixiv)

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン

A whole blog post on the subject:
http://yamatoasuka02.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-762.html?sp

Video series on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lETPaGnl2aI&ab_channel=PauseandSelect

Many of the references given by others below, despite their intentions, clearly imply a distinction between the concepts of lolicon and pedophilia. Some of them, such as the Wiki quote, literally state that they are different concepts. Despite this, this same reference was somehow used to justify including the gloss of "pedophile"? Truly strange, and obviously Western bias.

The pixiv article clearly states that lolicon is not necessarily sexual, which is not something that can be said about the different concept of pedophilia. Indeed, the very fact that "pedophilia" has entered the Japanese lexicon in katakana implies a core difference.

The blog article I provide underscores the fact that this is, at best, a debated topic. The current entry glibly sides with one side of this "debate" in a way that is unscholarly. Japan has a big cultural preference for the young and 未熟, and understanding that at a deep level is essential to understanding why it's inappropriate to glibly label lolicon to be pedophilia.

Honestly, they are quite obviously similar but different concepts, and it's culturally ignorant and chauvinistic to include this gloss.

@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>

https://nikkan-spa.jp/1481525
小児性愛は病気なのか？人口の5％いる彼らの犯罪を防ぐには
さらに、週刊誌報道によると、「中学生時代は遊び相手といえば小さな子どもだった」「いつも小さな子にベタベタと接する」といった記事もあり、今回の事件もいわゆる「ロリコン」――小児性愛者による犯
罪で、しかも、再犯だったと見られる。
...
まず、「ロリコン」とも言われる小児性愛は“病気”なのだろうか？
this article treats ロリコン as a colloquial term for 小児性愛者/小児性愛 (pedophile/pedophilia)

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/301509001364/
"幼児性愛病者（ロリコン）の魔法を完全に解くことができず、10歳の子供と18歳の大人姿の二重生活をしながら王宮に勤めるリーフィア。"
as does this one

https://www.cocolabo.me/loli-com/
"世の中には社会的に認められない欲望というものがあります。その中の一つとして割とメジャーなものが「子どもへの性的欲求」いわゆる「ロリコン」です。
精神医学的には、13歳以下の子どもへ性的欲求を持つことを「幼児性愛」（ペドフェリア）と呼びます。（参考：小児性愛障害-MSDマニュアル）"
and this one

https://www.mag2.com/p/money/1076497
"ロリコン犯罪の温床「性的同意年齢13歳」をすぐに引き上げよ。親の貧困化とSNSも要因、少年少女の性暴力被害者増加＝鈴木傾城"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/195397d3006e3ef705118829b4e31f779a8068eb
《少女わいせつ》前科3犯・ロリコン容疑者の卑劣な手口と、実母が涙で語る“性依存の闇”
"すでに仕事を引退し、いまは農業を営む両親。40歳近くにもなって自立せず、性犯罪を繰り返すロリコン息子についてどう考えているのか。"
　"改めて翌日、自宅にいる母親を訪ねてみた。すると、
「本当にすみません……。もうどうしていいのか……。息子は完全に（性犯罪の）依存症です……」"

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Tocana_201805_post_16895/
週刊誌記者によると「自宅へのガサ入れで幼児性愛者である証拠品が押収されたとの情報もある。やはりロリコンの線は消せない」という。

https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/10174
新潟少女殺害死体遺棄事件 「ロリコン性欲者」小林遼容疑者野放し

https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/29765
子どもへの性加害は「平均週2～3回」小児性犯罪者のすさまじい実態
「そりゃセックスもしましたよ。恋人同士ですもん。それを周りの人たちが、ぶち壊したんです。私がロリコンで、Yちゃんは被害者だといって引き離したんです。
　私はそんな人達によって犯罪者にさせられました。おかしいのはどっちだっていいたいです……」
　これは、12歳の少女に性加害をした49歳の男性の言葉である。

https://somec.org/activity2012.html
"「小児性愛は日本では『ロリコン』など好みの一種とされ、治療が受けにくい状況だ。治せる疾患という認識を社会が共有し、加害者をなくす道を広げるべきだ」と話す。"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/11ef2d546dd9c5be5d70e3a7eb861825eaed35de
3月場所中「16歳の少女」になりすまし11歳女児を…ロリコン力士の巧妙かつ卑劣な手口

https://dot.asahi.com/webdoku/2017060700082.html
ロリコン大国ニッポン 「アメリカだったら児童ポルノ扱い」

jawiki:ペドフィリア
日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。

https://www.police.pref.wakayama.lg.jp/01_anzen/syonen/kanren/index.html
児童ポルノとは、児童（18歳未満の少年。以下同じ。）を性欲の対象にした、児童のわいせつな画像(写真や動画など)のことをいいます。世間では、「ロリコン」といった呼び方で、児童ポルノを成人向けア
ダルト製品と見る風潮があります。しかしその本質は、児童に対する性犯罪・性的虐待の記録にほかなりません。
Here's a page from the Wakayama Prefectrual police explicitly saying that "lolicon" is the same thing as child pornography.



https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-08-09/.149914
English language discussion where a manga translator suggests "pedophile" can't be the correct translation for ロリコン because the word "ペドファイル" (a pretty rare word 
in Japanese) exists. I disagree.


Daijs: "幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理"
Daijr: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理"
Koj: "性的対象として少女・幼女を愛すること。"
Shinjirin: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。"
Nikk: "男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。"

I think it's remiss to not include the glosses "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia". It's obvious that in Japan, this is how the word is used.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>

Reopen.

Perhaps this addresses Marcus' point? I'll approve and reopen.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Chanced upon this headline just now:
少女買春ロリコン大富豪のジェフリー・エプスタイン逮
捕で新世界秩序の予定が狂う!? 陰謀の世界が大混乱… 
モサドが全方位で暗躍中！

daijr: 性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。
nikk:男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。
daijs: 幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。

I agree 1 sense is actually better, but 
the previous glosses "male pedophile" and 
"male sexually attracted to prepubescent 
girls" align much closer with what's in 
the kokugos. The new glosses on the other 
hand skip out on the "性愛／性欲” part 
(which is in all 3 kokugos) and on the "男
性が、” in nikk. So I don't see how that's 
an improvement.

reopen

english wikipedia

i don't think it's sexist, but i agree that it's too limited.  also, i don't think it's two senses.  we usually put the person in together with the action, etc.

i'm temp approving because i think the existing entry is clearly not right

the proposed "definition" is not appropriate for a japanese-english dictionary

@@ -9,7 +8,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

The definition of "lolicon" is 
problematic, and I'd like to persuade you 
to update it since it is misinformation 
and sexist.

The definition erroneously uses the 
definition of male paedophile. A 
paedophile is the attraction to 
prepubescent individuals, and pedophilia 
is the attraction itself to prepubescent 
individuals. The term "Lolita" comes from 
the novel and is only about an early 
adolescence girl. Lolita was depicted as 
12 in the novel, and 14 in the film. 99% 
of the depictions of fictional minors in 
the lolicon genre have small breasts. 
Prepubescent children don't have breasts. 
They're flat as a board.

The shotacon entry doesn't say "female 
pedophile". This is sexist because it 
implies only men can have attractions to 
minors. Women can be attracted to female 
and/or male minors and men can be 
attracted to male minors.

Here is my proposed updated definition 
with better parity to shotacon:

ロリコン (lolicon) sometimes shortened to 
ロリ (loli), is a Japanese slang 
portmanteau of the phrase "lolita complex" 
and describes an attraction to early 
adolescent girls, or an individual with 
such an attraction, although it has become 
a blanket term to refer to any minor 
attracted person/attraction to a minor. 
Outside Japan, the term is used less often 
with this meaning, and is used to refer to 
a genre of manga and anime wherein mostly 
preadolescent or early adolescent female 
characters are depicted in a suggestive or 
erotic manner.

daij　gg5 jawiki
Daij and jawiki say "lolita complex" is wasei. Enwiki has 
no article on "lolita complex", only on "lolicon" 
(interestingly, that page does not show up in Google 
searches)

I don't think ロリ and ロリコン should be the same entry. 
Splitting out ロリ
_
Based on enwiki, it seems "lolicon" can refer both to 
the "phenomenon" and the "person" in English. I think 
the English term refers esp. to a

@@ -7,3 +7,7 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ロリ</reb>
-</r_ele>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+</sense>
@@ -13 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2399250">小児性愛者</xref>
@@ -15,5 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>portraying children in an erotic style</gloss>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

reading: eij, wiki
meanings: daij
meanings 1 & 2 could possibly be merged, I guess

merging in rejected 2751760. Oddly not in daijs (which made me 
think it was an iK), but used in 1 single entry (蛇) カエル・ネズ
ミ・小鳥や鳥の卵を捕り、丸飲みする。

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>丸飲み</keb>
@@ -18,0 +21,11 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>taking something in without fully understanding it</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>accepting without reservation</gloss>
+<gloss>accepting something as-is</gloss>
+</sense>

I think I like what I put better. I can't say what it meany in 1880, so making it the capital keeps it general.

@@ -24,1 +24,0 @@
-<misc>&arch;</misc>
@@ -26,1 +25,1 @@
-<gloss>returning to Kyoto</gloss>
+<gloss>returning to the capital</gloss>

maybe this is better?

@@ -24,0 +24,1 @@
+<misc>&arch;</misc>
@@ -25,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>returning to the capital</gloss>
+<gloss>returning to Kyoto</gloss>

Daijr, GG5, 新和英中辞典, etc.

All the JEs say "returning to Tokyo". Daijr has : "都へ帰ること。明治以前は京都へ，明治以後は東京へ帰ること。"

@@ -19,1 +19,7 @@
-<gloss>returning to the capital (Tokyo)</gloss>
+<gloss>returning to Tokyo</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<s_inf>orig. meaning</s_inf>
+<gloss>returning to the capital</gloss>

daijs: "都に帰ること。現在では、東京、明治以前は京都へ帰ることをいう。"

@@ -19,1 +19,1 @@
-<gloss>returning to Tokyo</gloss>
+<gloss>returning to the capital (Tokyo)</gloss>

daijs nikk

@@ -9,0 +9,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>惨忍</keb>

G n-grams 715305

@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -8,0 +10 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

GG5

Gloss tidy-up.

@@ -13,5 +13,6 @@
-<gloss>fill (up)</gloss>
-<gloss>plug</gloss>
-<gloss>replenish</gloss>
-<gloss>filling (in tooth)</gloss>
-<gloss>loading (gun with ammunition, camera with film)</gloss>
+<gloss>filling (up)</gloss>
+<gloss>replenishing</gloss>
+<gloss>filling in (tooth)</gloss>
+<gloss>loading (gun with ammunition, camera with film, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>packing</gloss>
+<gloss>plugging</gloss>

Daijr, GG5, Wadoko (all merge these two.)

Merging 1802350.
Funny we had 扇情的 & 煽情的 merged, but not the base forms. The JEs explain in terms of 扇情的.....

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>煽情</keb>
@@ -12 +15,4 @@
-<gloss>sensational</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1614840">煽情的・せんじょうてき</xref>
+<gloss>suggestiveness</gloss>
+<gloss>sensationalism</gloss>
+<gloss>stirring up strong emotions</gloss>

daijr (lists 中居 first)
also lists 2 other meanings, such as "female servant who 
worked in the inner part of the house of a shogun or daimyo"

@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>中居</keb>
+</k_ele>

[vt,vi]: shinmeikai, oukoku, meikyo 2e
[vi]:    iwakoku

The kokugos don't appear to have our sense [2], so I'll omit the transitivity tags

@@ -18,0 +19,2 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

gg5, prog

@@ -19 +18,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -22,0 +22 @@
+<gloss>exfoliation</gloss>
@@ -27,2 +27,2 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
-<gloss>separation</gloss>
+<field>&physics;</field>
+<gloss>(flow) separation</gloss>

Adding 剝 to entries with is harmless, but not a high priority. 剝 came into JIS in 2000, not 1983. If you look at http://www.unicode.org/cgi-bin/GetUnihanData.pl?codepoint=剝 you'll see its JSource is "J3A", i.e. JIS X 0213:2004 level-3 addendum from JIS X 0213:2000 level-3.
Recently the JSC decided that 剝 was the genuine glyph, but the code-point for 剥 is the one that's in all the text up to that point. I wish the JSC hadn't done all those glyph swaps as it's going to mean a lot of pain in text canonicalization in future years.

The official 常用漢字 document has 剝 in the main table.
The entry refers to a footnote, that says that 剥 is a permissible variant.
I agree we could add the 剝 form to all JMdict entries with 剥.
There are 75 of them, and it seems 10 already has the 剝 form,
so it should not really be that much work.
I don't think we need a script.

剥離	15438
はく離	1546
https://kotobank.jp/word/剥離・剝離-357716

About 剝: After reading a bit on Chiebukuro, it seems that 剝 was only added to JIS in 1983. 剥 was only used as a 俗字. So the correct character is 剝. Could be useful to run a script and add 剝 automatically to all entries that contain 剥.

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1115969616
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1385130248

@@ -5,0 +6,6 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>はく離</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>剝離</keb>

飜弄 is itaiji.  scott's submission as a separate entry

not sure why there's no [n] on these

@@ -10,0 +10,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>飜弄</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -17,0 +20,1 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -18,3 +22,6 @@
-<gloss>to trifle with</gloss>
-<gloss>to make sport of</gloss>
-<gloss>to make fun of</gloss>
+<gloss>trifling with</gloss>
+<gloss>toying with</gloss>
+<gloss>playing with</gloss>
+<gloss>making sport of</gloss>
+<gloss>making fun of</gloss>
+<gloss>leading around by the nose</gloss>
@@ -23,0 +30,1 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -24,2 +32,1 @@
-<gloss>to rack</gloss>
-<gloss>to toss</gloss>
+<gloss>tossing about (a ship)</gloss>

eij, prog kanji
4/5 tanaka corpus kana
n-grams
賄う	6243
まかなう	5551
賄って	2484
まかなって	2977
賄った	344
まかなった	372
賄い	3204
まかない	3724
賄われ	2572
まかなわれ	2306

[uk]? quite borderline though.

gg5, prog

@@ -16 +16,3 @@
-<gloss>scorn</gloss>
+<gloss>scornful laughter</gloss>
+<gloss>ridicule</gloss>
+<gloss>derision</gloss>

G n-grams:
 嘲笑	193388
 ちょう笑	   463
 ちょうしょう	14970
Tanaka: 2 examples of ちょう笑

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ちょう笑</keb>

shinmeikai: 普通、十歳前後から十六、七歳ぐらいまでを言う
daijs: ふつう七歳前後から一八歳前後までの、成年に達しない女子をさす。
wiki: 少女は、7歳から18歳前後の「女の子」「女子」。

The refs are all over the place. Daijs and Wikipedia say as high as 18. I think that might be pushing it.

@@ -32 +32 @@
-<gloss>girl (esp. one between 7 and 16 years old)</gloss>
+<gloss>girl (usu. between 7 and 17)</gloss>

daijr and meikyo (exact same wording):
[普通，]七，八歳から一五，六歳くらいまで

An expl gloss is maybe not the best way to handle it, how does this look?

@@ -32 +32 @@
-<gloss>little girl</gloss>
+<gloss>girl (esp. one between 7 and 16 years old)</gloss>
@@ -35 +34,0 @@
-<gloss g_type="expl">female usually between 7 and 18 years old</gloss>

daijr

@@ -38 +37,0 @@
-<stagk>少女</stagk>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
| 少女　　　 | 10,369,646 | 78.0% |
| 乙女　　　 |  2,912,291 | 21.9% |
| 小女　　　 |      5,151 |  0.0% | <- daijr/s, koj; also こおんな (2559990), こめ (2734720)
| しょうじょ |     14,705 |  N/A  |
| おとめ　　 |    368,089 |  N/A  |

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>

ritsuryo conversion
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -41 +41 @@
-<gloss>female between 17 and 20 years old (ritsuryo period)</gloss>
+<gloss>female between 17 and 20 years old (ritsuryō period)</gloss>

Bit messy.

@@ -41 +41 @@
-<gloss>female between 17 and 20 years old (Ritsuryo period)</gloss>
+<gloss>female between 17 and 20 years old (ritsuryo period)</gloss>

@@ -37,0 +38 @@
+<stagr>しょうじょ</stagr>

koj daij

@@ -35,0 +36,6 @@
+<sense>
+<stagk>少女</stagk>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&arch;</misc>
+<gloss>female between 17 and 20 years old (Ritsuryo period)</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -34,1 +34,1 @@
-<gloss g_type="expl">girl/woman usually between 7 and 18 years old</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">female usually between 7 and 18 years old</gloss>

daijs
"ふつう7歳前後から18歳前後までの、成年に達しない女子をさす。"

[expl] does feel a bit odd but I think it's really helpful to 
know exactly what ages we're talking about, and this is 
something no one-word gloss can really convey.
removed "virgin" and "daughter" because I think they are 
unnecessarily ambiguous

@@ -31,0 +31,2 @@
+<gloss>little girl</gloss>
+<gloss>maiden</gloss>
@@ -32,4 +34,1 @@
-<gloss>little girl</gloss>
-<gloss>virgin</gloss>
-<gloss>maiden</gloss>
-<gloss>daughter</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">girl/woman usually between 7 and 18 years old</gloss>

Can't be helped.

forgot these... a bit messy this way though.

@@ -19,0 +19,1 @@
+<re_restr>小女</re_restr>
@@ -25,0 +26,2 @@
+<re_restr>少女</re_restr>
+<re_restr>乙女</re_restr>

nikk:小女:「しょうじょ（少女）」に同じ

@@ -12,0 +12,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>小女</keb>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 前もって　 │ 684,950 │ 97.9% │
│ 前以て　　 │   7,219 │  1.0% │ <- daijr/s, koj, etc.
│ 前以って　 │   2,265 │  0.3% │ <- 以って is marked as [io] on our 以て entry
│ まえもって │   5,160 │  0.7% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>

せんざく[ok] is in daijr/s

[vt]: shinmeikai, oukoku, meikyo, iwakoku

@@ -9,0 +10,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>せんざく</reb>
+<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>
+</r_ele>
@@ -12,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

checking google images
掻掘 seems to just be getting a bunch of hits from a book "掻掘のおけい"
I think it's outdated okurigana now

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
掻掘のおけい	316

新明解５
日国

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
掻掘	381
掻い掘り	137
かい掘り	131
搔い掘り	No matches
かいぼり	951

@@ -4,0 +5,3 @@
+<keb>掻掘</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -5,0 +9,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>かい掘り</keb>
@@ -16,0 +23 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -21,0 +29 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

大辞林３
明鏡

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>

Sure. I'd be happy with "(esp. to remove fish, purify water, 
etc.)".

@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>draining a pond, lake, or ditch (esp. to remove fish, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>draining a pond, lake, or ditch (esp. to remove fish, purify water, etc.)</gloss>

changing wording as mentioned on the other branch.  'remove' is likely a clearer choice

@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>draining a pond, lake, or ditch (to catch fish)</gloss>
+<gloss>draining a pond, lake, or ditch (esp. to remove fish, etc.)</gloss>

gg5, koj, daij, etc.

the key is that it is usually done to catch fish.  AFAICT, the reference provided doesn't suggest that there's anything particularly unusual about the procedure, just that it is traditional

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>搔い掘り</keb>
@@ -13,2 +16,6 @@
-<gloss>drain a lake or pond</gloss>
-<gloss>a traditional agricultural practice of draining ponds</gloss>
+<gloss>draining a pond, lake, or ditch (to catch fish)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>cleaning a well</gloss>

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/04/08/national/war-on-
invasive-species-continues/#.U0SY96h_uSo

The current entry seems rather inadequate, as though 
"kaibori" is just a normal old word meaning to drain a 
lake/pond. In reality, it is a semi-untranslatable cultural 
practice, and I have quoted the article's definition as a 
supplement to the current entry.

@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+<gloss>a traditional agricultural practice of draining ponds</gloss>

gg5, n-grams

I think the show shovelling sense should come first. It's more common.

@@ -15,0 +16,6 @@
+<gloss>snow shoveling (shovelling)</gloss>
+<gloss>snow clearing</gloss>
+<gloss>snow removal</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -20,6 +25,0 @@
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&vs;</pos>
-<gloss>snow shoveling (shovelling)</gloss>
-<gloss>snow removal</gloss>
-</sense>

MK n-grams:
雪掻き	596
雪かき	7763
ゆきかき	45

@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>雪掻き</keb>
+<keb>雪かき</keb>
@@ -8 +8 @@
-<keb>雪かき</keb>
+<keb>雪掻き</keb>

The Internet is (technically) the underlying network. It existed for years before the WWW was invented. I know people confuse the two, but as an old networking person, I'm claiming the high ground.

@@ -17 +17 @@
-<gloss>to search for information on the Internet</gloss>
+<gloss>to search for information on the WWW</gloss>

https://business.nikkeibp.co.jp/article/topics/20060926/110519/
”Google（ググる）――。グーグルで情報を検索するこの俗語は、今やネットで情報を検索する一般動詞になりつつある。"

@@ -16 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>to Google (i.e. to search for on the WWW using the Google search engine)</gloss>
+<gloss>to Google</gloss>
+<gloss>to search for information on the Internet</gloss>

g ng

ググる	78879
ぐぐる	15869

グーグる (with the long "gu") is probably essentially a 死語

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ぐぐる</reb>

"col" is probably better.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<misc>&col;</misc>

- グーグる is also correct, according to GG5, at least
- Is it really slang? I would have thought it's just colloquial.

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>グーグる</reb>

@@ -9,0 +9,1 @@
+<misc>&sl;</misc>

Entry created

Not a recognized 四字熟語.

@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<misc>&yoji;</misc>

Kanji Haitani list

Adding yoji tagAdding yoji tag
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<misc>&yoji;</misc>

Entry created

Entry created

OK, I'll drop it. I won't simply reject it as I want these comments to be visible in the 
main sequence.

@@ -4,4 +3,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>炉裏</keb>
-<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
@@ -16 +11,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -25 +19,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>

anyone can make up ateji for anything.  it's like documenting intentional puns or misspellings in an english-english dictionary.  there needs to be good justification for including an ateji as a kanji headword, esp. if it is the only one.  (such justification being "it appears as the headword in a kokugo dictionary", etc.)

this should be a note at best.

so i would dump it as well, and i think that makes three of us who are at least iffy about this.