chujiten, wisdom

@@ -11,4 +10,0 @@
-<reb>チャンバラえいが</reb>
-<re_restr>チャンバラ映画</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
@@ -16 +11,0 @@
-<re_restr>ちゃんばら映画</re_restr>
@@ -21 +16 @@
-<gloss>samurai movie</gloss>
+<gloss>samurai movie (with a lot of sword fights)</gloss>

Merging 2754670.

@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>チャンバラ映画</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -7,0 +11,4 @@
+<reb>チャンバラえいが</reb>
+<re_restr>チャンバラ映画</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -8,0 +16 @@
+<re_restr>ちゃんばら映画</re_restr>
@@ -11,0 +20 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1007730">チャンバラ</xref>

On reflection I don't think this one is likely to be "id". I'll close it.

I'd like to move the "id" discussion to the editors' list. I'll close this now and reopen to 
be visible for possible additions.

I thought it was our policy to only use id on expressions (see 狼煙, 月並み, 電池切れ).
The majority of those 218 entries are expressions, but there are a lot on that list (e.g. 波, 空気 難民) that I don't think are idioms by any definition.
---
I agree there probably is an argument for dropping the id tag.

i agree that this should not be marked as an idiom and we have had some short back and forths and compound nouns being idioms in the comments of various entries, but i agree that this should be raised on the mailing list

we should also consider what value the [id] label actually has.  since people can disagree on what an "idiom" is, it's not clear why we even need this tag.  it is usually pretty clear when a gloss does not match the literal meaning of the individual terms. i'm not sure why we need to tell people "this is an idiom" or not.  to my knowledge, i've never seen another kokugo, english dictionary or J-E that bothers with an idiom tag

koj, gg5, eij

please provide references

@@ -12 +12,3 @@
-<gloss>integrated kitchen</gloss>
+<lsource ls_wasei="y">system kitchen</lsource>
+<gloss>built-in kitchen</gloss>
+<gloss>integrated kitchen system</gloss>

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>system kitchen</gloss>
+<gloss>integrated kitchen</gloss>

Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>システム・キッチン</reb>

It's obviously drifted a bit from the English term.

www-images

Although the kokugo definitions describe the hand-held variety, it much more commonly refers to large parasols.

@@ -10 +10,3 @@
-<gloss>parasol</gloss>
+<gloss>parasol (esp. one that is secured to the ground)</gloss>
+<gloss>sunshade</gloss>
+<gloss>(beach) umbrella</gloss>

Swapping wildfire and bushfire.

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<gloss>wildfire</gloss>
@@ -18 +18,0 @@
-<gloss>wildfire</gloss>

I wouldn't lead with bushfire as it's mainly an Aus/NZ term. GG5 and most other JEs just 
have "forest fire" without any mountain qualification. I guess in the Japanese context 
forest fires are usually in mountain areas because that's where the forests are.
I'll reopen it if anyone wants to discuss it further.

@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+<gloss>forest fire</gloss>
@@ -18 +18,0 @@
-<gloss>forest fire (esp. on a mountain)</gloss>

If 山火事 is best translated as "bushfire/wildfire" in most cases, shouldn't those come before "forest fire"?

@@ -15,0 +16,2 @@
+<gloss>bushfire</gloss>
+<gloss>wildfire</gloss>
@@ -17,2 +18,0 @@
-<gloss>wildfire</gloss>
-<gloss>bushfire</gloss>

Aligning

@@ -20,0 +21 @@
+<gloss>to jut out</gloss>
@@ -22 +22,0 @@
-<gloss>to jut out</gloss>
@@ -24 +24,5 @@
-<gloss>to overflow</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1601060">食み出す・2</xref>
@@ -25,0 +30 @@
+<gloss>to be pushed out</gloss>
@@ -27 +32,7 @@
-<gloss>to be pushed out</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1601060">食み出す・3</xref>
+<gloss>to go over (e.g. a budget)</gloss>
+<gloss>to go beyond</gloss>
@@ -29,2 +39,0 @@
-<gloss>to go over</gloss>
-<gloss>to go beyond</gloss>

This is now aligned with 食み出す, which is ok, but I can't help feeling there may well be 
two senses in both.

大辞林

@@ -18,5 +18,8 @@
-<gloss>to jut out (of bounds)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&v1;</pos>
-<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1601060">食み出す</xref>
+<gloss>to protrude</gloss>
+<gloss>to stick out</gloss>
+<gloss>to hang out</gloss>
+<gloss>to jut out</gloss>
+<gloss>to bulge out</gloss>
+<gloss>to overflow</gloss>
+<gloss>to be forced out</gloss>
@@ -24 +27,4 @@
-<gloss>to be forced out</gloss>
+<gloss>to be pushed out</gloss>
+<gloss>to exceed</gloss>
+<gloss>to go over</gloss>
+<gloss>to go beyond</gloss>

It's not really common. I'll degrade the "ichi".

@@ -9 +9 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -13 +13 @@
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>

KM ngrams 200:1

@@ -4,0 +5,3 @@
+<keb>はみ出る</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -7,3 +9,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>はみ出る</keb>

* https://hinative.com/ja/questions/1479732
* https://lang-8.com/875224/journals/307843799587710754050779161422046596044

cf. our 「笑」 entry.

@@ -27,0 +28,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1622070">棒読み・1</xref>
+<misc>&net-sl;</misc>
+<gloss>spoken monotonously</gloss>
+</sense>

That's the context in GG5 and ルミナス. I can't see it in any of Daijirin's 6 senses; 
probably it should merge with sense 1.

@@ -21,3 +20,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>

i assume #2 means conductor's baton in particular? (not police baton?)

GG5, etc.

@@ -21,0 +22,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>baton</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>line</gloss>
+<gloss>dash</gloss>
+</sense>

daij, meikyo

I think "bathroom" is a separate sense.

@@ -16 +15,0 @@
-<gloss>bath</gloss>
@@ -17,0 +17,4 @@
+<gloss>(public) bath</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>

gg5, daijr/s

Definitely not a bathtub.

@@ -17 +16,0 @@
-<gloss>bathtub</gloss>

I think we have to fit "woman" in there somewhere.

@@ -24 +24 @@
-<gloss>shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style (when newly married; Edo period)</gloss>
+<gloss>shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style (of a newly married woman; Edo period)</gloss>

somewhat simpler?

@@ -24 +24 @@
-<gloss>(of a newly married woman in the Edo period) shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style</gloss>
+<gloss>shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style (when newly married; Edo period)</gloss>

We tend to put period info in a note when it pertains specifically to usage of the term (rather than what the term refers to). See 窮理学 for an example. We have 199 entries that contain "(Edo period)" in the gloss.
I think this works.

@@ -24,2 +24 @@
-<s_inf>Edo period</s_inf>
-<gloss>(of a newly married woman) shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style</gloss>
+<gloss>(of a newly married woman in the Edo period) shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style</gloss>

Strange to have a gloss bookended by parenthesis. I think in our current style we put period info in a note.

@@ -24 +24,2 @@
-<gloss>(of a newly married woman) shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style (Edo period)</gloss>
+<s_inf>Edo period</s_inf>
+<gloss>(of a newly married woman) shaving one's eyebrows, blackening one's teeth, and wearing one's hair in the marumage style</gloss>

Sorry, I started making these edits on the はみ出る entry before copying them over to here and I forgot to change the PoS tags.

出す = v1???

@@ -16 +16 @@
-<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>
@@ -25 +25 @@
-<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>
@@ -32 +32 @@
-<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>

I agree with this. I'll align the はみ出る entry.

daij, prog, gg5, ウィズダム和英辞典

I think this is clearer as 3 senses (even though most refs only have one or two).
はみ出す is definitely the more common form.

@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>食み出す</keb>
+<keb>はみ出す</keb>
@@ -9 +9 @@
-<keb>はみ出す</keb>
+<keb>食み出す</keb>
@@ -16 +16 @@
-<pos>&v5s;</pos>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>to jut out</gloss>
@@ -21 +21,0 @@
-<gloss>to jut out</gloss>
@@ -23 +23,4 @@
-<gloss>to overflow</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
@@ -24,0 +28 @@
+<gloss>to be pushed out</gloss>
@@ -26 +30,6 @@
-<gloss>to be pushed out</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to go over (e.g. a budget)</gloss>
+<gloss>to go beyond</gloss>
@@ -28,2 +36,0 @@
-<gloss>to go over</gloss>
-<gloss>to go beyond</gloss>

I agree. No refs that I have checked split them.

@@ -27,4 +27,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&v5s;</pos>
-<pos>&vi;</pos>

 「⼿摺（てず）り花札」を国内で唯⼀作っている松井天狗（てんぐ）堂（京都市下京区）が、１０ ０年以上の歴史に幕を閉じる。主⼈の松井重夫さん（７８）が⾼
齢のため、廃業を決めた。しかし、 「貴重な⼿仕事が消えるのは惜しい」と、同業で⽼舗の⼤⽯天狗堂（伏⾒区）が技術の継承を⽬指す ことになった。今春から⼤
⽯天狗堂の社員が松井さんに指導を受ける。 
(from an offlien kyoto shimbun article from 2011)

also used as a synonym for 手わざ

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<gloss>handcraft</gloss>

seems fine to me, although shinmeikai does have it as the burning: 早春、野山の枯れ草を焼くこと（火）

daijr: "春先に野原や土手などの枯れ草を焼く火。野焼きの火。"

I think we should have something like this for sense 1. It refers to the fire itself.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>burning off the fields (in early spring)</gloss>
+<gloss>fires set off in early spring to burn off dead grass</gloss>

koj, gg5, eij

@@ -12 +12,7 @@
-<gloss>burning off the fields</gloss>
+<gloss>burning off the fields (in early spring)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>bush fire</gloss>
+<gloss>field fire</gloss>
+<gloss>grass fire</gloss>

daijs

@@ -12 +12,5 @@
-<gloss>first bath of the New Year</gloss>
+<gloss>first bath of the year</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>first bath in one's life (i.e. for a baby)</gloss>

Fork

Other translation possible trilemma. Problem which can be only solved by choose one out three options.

Daijr

I think this trim works.

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<s_inf>from the respective fearing of the snake of the slug, the slug of the frog, and the frog of the snake</s_inf>
+<s_inf>from the snake fearing the slug, the slug the frog, and the frog the snake</s_inf>

daijs; meikyo

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<s_inf>from the respective fearing of the snake of the slug, the slug of the frog, and the frog of the snake</s_inf>

三竦み	3585	25.3%
三竦	146	1.0% <- GG5
三すくみ	9778	69.1%
さんすくみ	647	4.6%
GG5: a 「three-cornered [tripartite] deadlock.

See deleted 2860429 proposal. I don't think "trilemma" works here.
Daijirin has the frog/snake/etc. info as a separate sense.

@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>三竦</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

Daijr

I think this trim works.

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<s_inf>from the respective fearing of the snake of the slug, the slug of the frog, and the frog of the snake</s_inf>
+<s_inf>from the snake fearing the slug, the slug the frog, and the frog the snake</s_inf>

daijs; meikyo

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<s_inf>from the respective fearing of the snake of the slug, the slug of the frog, and the frog of the snake</s_inf>

Looks good.

gg5, daij

How about this?
Revising sense 3.

@@ -12,2 +12,3 @@
-<gloss>rough</gloss>
-<gloss>tough</gloss>
+<gloss>large and rough</gloss>
+<gloss>big and tough</gloss>
+<gloss>rugged (hands, features, etc.)</gloss>
@@ -15 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>rugged</gloss>
+<gloss>sturdy</gloss>
+<gloss>chunky</gloss>
@@ -21,0 +24 @@
+<gloss>boorish</gloss>
@@ -25 +27,0 @@
-<gloss>exceeding</gloss>
@@ -27 +29,3 @@
-<gloss>too much</gloss>
+<gloss>excessive</gloss>
+<gloss>tremendous</gloss>
+<gloss>terrible</gloss>

Difficult. I think "burly" helps.

eij, daijr/s, nikk

It'd be nice if we could convey 大きい meaning present in the kokugos for sense 1.

@@ -14,0 +15,2 @@
+<gloss>rugged</gloss>
+<gloss>burly</gloss>

@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss>first bath of the New Year</gloss>
+<gloss>first bath of the year</gloss>

Merging with 1007740.

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1007730">チャンバラ</xref>

41k on google
12k on bing
daijs entry for ちゃんばら: 「－映画」
wiki 
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/チャン�
%90%E3%83%A9

huixing, next time you give the google results for a term, 
could you please google the word within quotation marks? I.e. 
"チャンバラ映画" instead of チャンバラ映画. The number doesn't mean 
anything otherwise.

google  881,000 hits

The Phantom Deleter strikes again.

thanks

meikyo: "（大したことがないものを基準として）それよりほんの少しだけまさっている。「別荘といっても山小屋に━ものだ」"
jitsuyou: "少しは良いのかもしれないが、実質的にぜんぜん変わっていない様子、ほぼ同程度である様子などを意味する表現。"

We don't start adj-f glosses with "to be".

@@ -13,3 +13,4 @@
-<s_inf>often as 毛が生えたような</s_inf>
-<gloss>to be not much different in skill or performance (compared to e.g. an amateur)</gloss>
-<gloss>to be a bit better than (but still not that good)</gloss>
+<s_inf>as 〜に毛が生えた（ような）</s_inf>
+<gloss>little more than</gloss>
+<gloss>only slightly better than</gloss>
+<gloss>almost the same as</gloss>

kenkyusha kogo jiten: けがはえた【毛が生えた】
meikyo: 【毛が生えたような】

@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>毛が生えたよう</keb>
+<keb>毛が生えた</keb>
@@ -8 +8 @@
-<reb>けがはえたよう</reb>
+<reb>けがはえた</reb>
@@ -11,0 +12,2 @@
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<s_inf>often as 毛が生えたような</s_inf>
@@ -13 +15 @@
-<gloss>to be a bit better than (but still not good)</gloss>
+<gloss>to be a bit better than (but still not that good)</gloss>

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/死霊術師 - 「ネクロマンサー」の日本語表記

I think it's closer to the mark than the terms in the EJs.

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2842709">ネクロマンサー</xref>

References?

https://www.necoichi.co.jp/Blog/detail/id=4102

https://www.konekono-heya.com/byouki/declaw/declaw-demerit.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onychectomy

AFAICT intermediate garment isn't really used in English.

@@ -14 +14,2 @@
-<gloss>intermediate garment</gloss>
+<gloss>inner layer of clothing</gloss>
+<gloss>inner garment (other than underwear)</gloss>

jst etc https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/中衣
alc https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=中衣

有棘細胞癌	3067
有棘細胞がん	1329
有棘細胞ガン	201

@@ -5,0 +6,6 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>有棘細胞がん</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>有棘細胞ガン</keb>

LSD, ＫＯＤ追加語彙, 医学英和辞典

@@ -9,2 +9,3 @@
-<gloss>drug-resistant bacterium</gloss>
-<gloss>drug-resistant bacteria</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2842751">スーパー耐性菌</xref>
+<gloss>superbug</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">super-resistant bacteria</gloss>

https://www.weblio.jp/content/スーパーバグ

GG5: 著作権保護 protection of copyright; copyright protection

Fair point. I think having a trimmed version would be useful, as per GG5. I'll change the 
sequence number to decouple the sound clip, then reopen it.

@@ -1,2 +1 @@
-<ent_seq>1998350</ent_seq>
@@ -5 +4 @@
-<keb>著作権保護期間</keb>
+<keb>著作権保護</keb>
@@ -8 +7 @@
-<reb>ちょさくけんほごきかん</reb>
+<reb>ちょさくけんほご</reb>
@@ -12 +11 @@
-<gloss>copyright protection period</gloss>
+<gloss>copyright protection</gloss>

Taking explanations why certain suggested new entries were not accepted as precedent, this entry should be removed, I think, since a) all its constituent items are in the dictionary, and b) adding up those constintuent items yields the correct meaning when the complete expression is requested. On the other hand, this entry is presented as (neutral) partial match for queries like 著作権保護 or 著作権保護データ, and as (distracting) partial match for queries like 著作権保有者 or 著作権保持者.

公開中	1711011
公開中は	1993
公開中が	56
公開中な	6757
公開中の	251505

My old friend Bart Mathais (ex prof of Japanese in Hawaii) always said that the real test 
for a noun was whether it was used with が. I don't think this is a noun.
Yes, the other ~中 terms need review; many are tagged as nouns.

we have this sense of 中 marked as [n-suf].  if it's a suffix, then 公開+中 is a single word and so for consistency we shouldn't normally mark any of these ~中 entries as [exp] (i haven't looked to see how many are)

I don't think noun is the right PoS for this either. I'd go with [exp,adj-no]. That's what we have on a few other 〜中 entries but we're not at all consistent.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>

@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -8,0 +10 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

公開中	1711011

Not sure it's a noun.

@@ -12,2 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>now available</gloss>
-<gloss>now showing</gloss>
+<gloss>now available (e.g. for sale)</gloss>
+<gloss>now showing (e.g. film, exhibition)</gloss>

Daijr, GG5 (both say it's the marrying)

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -13 +14 @@
-<gloss>money and social status gained by marrying a rich and powerful woman</gloss>
+<gloss>man marrying into wealth and power</gloss>

daijs

Full form of 逆玉.

Add POS to proverbs
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>

The first one seems to be the most common. May as well just have this one.

daijr/s

There are a couple forms of this recorded in the kokugos:
女氏無くして玉の輿に乗る
女は氏無くて玉の輿に乗る
氏無くして玉の輿に乗る
Unsure which is most common. Should we include them all?

観光物産館	21426
物産館	119426 <- in GG5

By itself 物産館 is a type of museum.

Word in the vocabulary list for みんなの日本語中級ＩＩ：第１３課
See also for example: https://kanazawa-kankou.jp

daij, nikk
came across in a yomiuri shimbun article from 2008 (not available online): 
"シカは別名「紅葉鳥（もみじどり）」と呼ばれる。秋の季語としても知られ、松尾芭蕉は奈良で〈びいと啼（な）く　尻声悲し　夜の鹿〉と詠んだ。
　「紅葉鳥」と聞くと、紅葉にシカが描かれた花札が思い浮かぶ。紅葉もある奈良公園のシカと縁の深いものなのか。"
so I think [poet] rather than [arch]

ＫＯＤ追加語彙

https://kotobank.jp/word/スーパー耐性菌-188920#E3.83.87.E3.82.B8.E3.82.BF.E3.83.AB.E5.A4.A7.E8.BE.9E.E6.B3.89

Adding spec1
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

Odd. I'll move it.

@@ -1,3 +1,2 @@
-<ent_seq>2065910</ent_seq>
-<ent_corp>jmdict</ent_corp>
+<ent_corp>jmnedict</ent_corp>
@@ -11,3 +10,2 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>study and research</gloss>
-<gloss>scholarship and research</gloss>
+<misc>&company;</misc>
+<gloss>Gakken (publisher)</gloss>

Not in any refs. Only results are for the publisher (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gakken).

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