ヘレ is osb (ヘレ肉 is in daijr), do we want to give it its own entry or are we happy to stuff it in here (w or w/o a note on the osb)?

フィレ	96293
ヒレ	1026409
フィレー	2325
ヒレー	81

I doubt ヒレー is needed.

@@ -10,0 +11,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>フィレー</reb>
+</r_ele>

daij
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beef_tenderloin
http://official.niku-
higasihara.co.jp/contents/chartBeef#beef1-8

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<gloss>tenderloin</gloss>

I sometimes check twitter for mentions of jmdict/jisho and I've noticed that this entry frequently comes up for discussion. It's apparent there's a sizable contingent of anime/manga fans who are into "lolicon content" that are adamant that being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls is a completely different thing from pedophilia. I don't know anything about Kevin in particular and am certainly not accusing him of anything, but I think we need to be aware there are a lot of people online who are very strongly opposed to "ロリコン" being defined as "pedophile" solely because it makes them feel personally attacked. Here's an example of a recent (June 24) Twitter thread where you can see how this usually plays out: https://twitter.com/COEofTypo/status/1539386476537970689 (there's a lot of replies but here's one that leads into this discussion of our definition as it appeared at the time on Jisho: https://twitter.com/ElFazendobarra/status/1539858524548632576 )

The argument that people on Twitter are making (that it seems Kevin is similarly arguing for) is that "ロリコン" should not be translated as "pedophile" because there are other words in Japanese that are also translated as "pedophilia/pedophile" and there is a distinction between those words (ペドフィリア/小児性愛 etc.) and ロリコン. While this is no doubt true, that it's only ロリコン that is used self-referentially, this doesn't mean that glosses like "male pedophile" or "male pedophilia" don't also belong here. We are not only concerned with getting the nuance right but also conveying the actual meaning of the word. Kevin changed "male pedophilia" to "sexual attraction to young girls" and "male pedophile" to "male with such an attraction", but are these really closer in nuance and meaning to ロリコン or just wordier and wafflier ways of saying the exact same things? That's a rhetorical question - it's obvious to me its the latter. It's hairsplitting. Look up the definitions of "pedophile" and "pedophilia" in any English dictionary. Notice also that ALL the kokugo definitions for ロリコン mention "性欲" - that an otaku-dominated wiki site like pixiv disagrees ("特別な感情" is what they call it) seems entirely irrelevant to me. This isn't a case of "Western bias", it's a case of looking at reliable sources instead of user-generated content.

I agree that "lolicon" rather than "male pedophile" should lead, for nuance etc. reasons, but that word will be meaningless to a lot of people, so we need to also include glosses that pithily explain what this actually means. We always strive for the most economical definitions so why exactly is it that we shouldn't call a spade a spade here?

Another point about the other reference Kevin posted is a blog post written by a person calling himself "初老のオタ" and the argument he is making is that ロリコン IS in fact used to refer to male pedophiles/pedophilia in Japanese media but that he finds this usage "wrong" because he has personally somewhat convolutedly decided that a "ロリコン" is somebody who is "sexually or romantically attracted to underage girls but doesn't necessarily want to act on it in real life" and that a ペド on the other hand is somebody whose "ultimate purpose" (最終目的) is to have sex with underage girls:

"ロリコン、ペド、チャイルド・マレスター……
これらの違いが曖昧な日本ならではの報道だなぁと。
...
少女・幼女に対し性的嗜好や恋愛感情を持つ事で、
最終的目標が性交の有無であるか否かは関係ありません。
...
●ロリは必ずしも性交を最終目的とはしておらず、
　ペドは性交を最終目的としている。"

We should really not be concerned with what "otaku purists" consider the correct use of the word (which by the way still would translate into "male pedophile" in English) but with how it's actually used in mainstream Japanese society. For more on that, see the multiple links I've previously posted.

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>oft. used self-referentially</s_inf>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I missed this, apologies. Kevin, welcome to JMDict. We always appreciate input on definitions but the multiple accusations of "cultural ignorance", "Western bias", "chauvinism", "strangeness" and  "glibness" are not at all appropriate and if you wish to continue participating in the discussion on how we should define this word, I would hope you would afford other editors more respect than you've done so far. I've changed "male with _such_ an attraction" to "male (sexually) attracted to young girls" because style-wise, we try to avoid glosses that explicitly refer to previous ones. I don't have time right now but I will try and revisit this at a later date as I'm not sure I fully agree with the changes made.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>
+<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>

Hmm. I guess this covers Marcus' view on  "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia" references.

Kevin's case and amendments seem sound but I'd like to see Marcus's response before approving.

日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。(wiki)

現在では幼い少女を性的に好んでいる人のことを指して使われることが多いが、本来ロリータ・コンプレックスとは性的な意味合いは薄く、（異性愛の）女性がロリータ・コンプレックスであるということも大いにありえる。本来は対象は「美」少女に限らない。(pixiv)

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン

A whole blog post on the subject:
http://yamatoasuka02.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-762.html?sp

Video series on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lETPaGnl2aI&ab_channel=PauseandSelect

Many of the references given by others below, despite their intentions, clearly imply a distinction between the concepts of lolicon and pedophilia. Some of them, such as the Wiki quote, literally state that they are different concepts. Despite this, this same reference was somehow used to justify including the gloss of "pedophile"? Truly strange, and obviously Western bias.

The pixiv article clearly states that lolicon is not necessarily sexual, which is not something that can be said about the different concept of pedophilia. Indeed, the very fact that "pedophilia" has entered the Japanese lexicon in katakana implies a core difference.

The blog article I provide underscores the fact that this is, at best, a debated topic. The current entry glibly sides with one side of this "debate" in a way that is unscholarly. Japan has a big cultural preference for the young and 未熟, and understanding that at a deep level is essential to understanding why it's inappropriate to glibly label lolicon to be pedophilia.

Honestly, they are quite obviously similar but different concepts, and it's culturally ignorant and chauvinistic to include this gloss.

@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>

https://nikkan-spa.jp/1481525
小児性愛は病気なのか？人口の5％いる彼らの犯罪を防ぐには
さらに、週刊誌報道によると、「中学生時代は遊び相手といえば小さな子どもだった」「いつも小さな子にベタベタと接する」といった記事もあり、今回の事件もいわゆる「ロリコン」――小児性愛者による犯
罪で、しかも、再犯だったと見られる。
...
まず、「ロリコン」とも言われる小児性愛は“病気”なのだろうか？
this article treats ロリコン as a colloquial term for 小児性愛者/小児性愛 (pedophile/pedophilia)

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/301509001364/
"幼児性愛病者（ロリコン）の魔法を完全に解くことができず、10歳の子供と18歳の大人姿の二重生活をしながら王宮に勤めるリーフィア。"
as does this one

https://www.cocolabo.me/loli-com/
"世の中には社会的に認められない欲望というものがあります。その中の一つとして割とメジャーなものが「子どもへの性的欲求」いわゆる「ロリコン」です。
精神医学的には、13歳以下の子どもへ性的欲求を持つことを「幼児性愛」（ペドフェリア）と呼びます。（参考：小児性愛障害-MSDマニュアル）"
and this one

https://www.mag2.com/p/money/1076497
"ロリコン犯罪の温床「性的同意年齢13歳」をすぐに引き上げよ。親の貧困化とSNSも要因、少年少女の性暴力被害者増加＝鈴木傾城"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/195397d3006e3ef705118829b4e31f779a8068eb
《少女わいせつ》前科3犯・ロリコン容疑者の卑劣な手口と、実母が涙で語る“性依存の闇”
"すでに仕事を引退し、いまは農業を営む両親。40歳近くにもなって自立せず、性犯罪を繰り返すロリコン息子についてどう考えているのか。"
　"改めて翌日、自宅にいる母親を訪ねてみた。すると、
「本当にすみません……。もうどうしていいのか……。息子は完全に（性犯罪の）依存症です……」"

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Tocana_201805_post_16895/
週刊誌記者によると「自宅へのガサ入れで幼児性愛者である証拠品が押収されたとの情報もある。やはりロリコンの線は消せない」という。

https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/10174
新潟少女殺害死体遺棄事件 「ロリコン性欲者」小林遼容疑者野放し

https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/29765
子どもへの性加害は「平均週2～3回」小児性犯罪者のすさまじい実態
「そりゃセックスもしましたよ。恋人同士ですもん。それを周りの人たちが、ぶち壊したんです。私がロリコンで、Yちゃんは被害者だといって引き離したんです。
　私はそんな人達によって犯罪者にさせられました。おかしいのはどっちだっていいたいです……」
　これは、12歳の少女に性加害をした49歳の男性の言葉である。

https://somec.org/activity2012.html
"「小児性愛は日本では『ロリコン』など好みの一種とされ、治療が受けにくい状況だ。治せる疾患という認識を社会が共有し、加害者をなくす道を広げるべきだ」と話す。"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/11ef2d546dd9c5be5d70e3a7eb861825eaed35de
3月場所中「16歳の少女」になりすまし11歳女児を…ロリコン力士の巧妙かつ卑劣な手口

https://dot.asahi.com/webdoku/2017060700082.html
ロリコン大国ニッポン 「アメリカだったら児童ポルノ扱い」

jawiki:ペドフィリア
日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。

https://www.police.pref.wakayama.lg.jp/01_anzen/syonen/kanren/index.html
児童ポルノとは、児童（18歳未満の少年。以下同じ。）を性欲の対象にした、児童のわいせつな画像(写真や動画など)のことをいいます。世間では、「ロリコン」といった呼び方で、児童ポルノを成人向けア
ダルト製品と見る風潮があります。しかしその本質は、児童に対する性犯罪・性的虐待の記録にほかなりません。
Here's a page from the Wakayama Prefectrual police explicitly saying that "lolicon" is the same thing as child pornography.



https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-08-09/.149914
English language discussion where a manga translator suggests "pedophile" can't be the correct translation for ロリコン because the word "ペドファイル" (a pretty rare word 
in Japanese) exists. I disagree.


Daijs: "幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理"
Daijr: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理"
Koj: "性的対象として少女・幼女を愛すること。"
Shinjirin: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。"
Nikk: "男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。"

I think it's remiss to not include the glosses "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia". It's obvious that in Japan, this is how the word is used.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>

Reopen.

Perhaps this addresses Marcus' point? I'll approve and reopen.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Chanced upon this headline just now:
少女買春ロリコン大富豪のジェフリー・エプスタイン逮
捕で新世界秩序の予定が狂う!? 陰謀の世界が大混乱… 
モサドが全方位で暗躍中！

daijr: 性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。
nikk:男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。
daijs: 幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。

I agree 1 sense is actually better, but 
the previous glosses "male pedophile" and 
"male sexually attracted to prepubescent 
girls" align much closer with what's in 
the kokugos. The new glosses on the other 
hand skip out on the "性愛／性欲” part 
(which is in all 3 kokugos) and on the "男
性が、” in nikk. So I don't see how that's 
an improvement.

reopen

english wikipedia

i don't think it's sexist, but i agree that it's too limited.  also, i don't think it's two senses.  we usually put the person in together with the action, etc.

i'm temp approving because i think the existing entry is clearly not right

the proposed "definition" is not appropriate for a japanese-english dictionary

@@ -9,7 +8,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

The definition of "lolicon" is 
problematic, and I'd like to persuade you 
to update it since it is misinformation 
and sexist.

The definition erroneously uses the 
definition of male paedophile. A 
paedophile is the attraction to 
prepubescent individuals, and pedophilia 
is the attraction itself to prepubescent 
individuals. The term "Lolita" comes from 
the novel and is only about an early 
adolescence girl. Lolita was depicted as 
12 in the novel, and 14 in the film. 99% 
of the depictions of fictional minors in 
the lolicon genre have small breasts. 
Prepubescent children don't have breasts. 
They're flat as a board.

The shotacon entry doesn't say "female 
pedophile". This is sexist because it 
implies only men can have attractions to 
minors. Women can be attracted to female 
and/or male minors and men can be 
attracted to male minors.

Here is my proposed updated definition 
with better parity to shotacon:

ロリコン (lolicon) sometimes shortened to 
ロリ (loli), is a Japanese slang 
portmanteau of the phrase "lolita complex" 
and describes an attraction to early 
adolescent girls, or an individual with 
such an attraction, although it has become 
a blanket term to refer to any minor 
attracted person/attraction to a minor. 
Outside Japan, the term is used less often 
with this meaning, and is used to refer to 
a genre of manga and anime wherein mostly 
preadolescent or early adolescent female 
characters are depicted in a suggestive or 
erotic manner.

daij　gg5 jawiki
Daij and jawiki say "lolita complex" is wasei. Enwiki has 
no article on "lolita complex", only on "lolicon" 
(interestingly, that page does not show up in Google 
searches)

I don't think ロリ and ロリコン should be the same entry. 
Splitting out ロリ
_
Based on enwiki, it seems "lolicon" can refer both to 
the "phenomenon" and the "person" in English. I think 
the English term refers esp. to a

@@ -7,3 +7,7 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ロリ</reb>
-</r_ele>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+</sense>
@@ -13 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2399250">小児性愛者</xref>
@@ -15,5 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>portraying children in an erotic style</gloss>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I'll align the ロリータコンプレックス and ロリ glosses.

I don't mind it.

I asked a native speaker btw what they thought and they said （ことばとして）軽いじゃ軽いけど、ペドファイルじゃペドファイル。 I don't think they're actually considered two different things to most Japanese (outside of the otaku realm), but it might certainly be the case that there's a weaker connotation of "actual child molester" than there is for say ペドファイル.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>sexual obsession with young girls</gloss>

GG5: 〔その男性〕 a man attracted to very young girls.
●あいつはロリコンだ. He's into very young girls. | He has a thing for very young girls.
中辞典:  a sexual obsession with young girls; a “Lolita complex”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

I'll accept that pedophile/pedophilia are probably accurate glosses, but I note that the JEs avoid that term. I suspect that in Japan there is a view that lolicon and pedophilia are slightly different things, but if you look at the actual definition of pedophilia, they are really the same.
Is there a problem with including "sexual obsession with young girls" in the glosses?

I sometimes check twitter for mentions of jmdict/jisho and I've noticed that this entry frequently comes up for discussion. It's apparent there's a sizable contingent of anime/manga fans who are into "lolicon content" that are adamant that being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls is a completely different thing from pedophilia. I don't know anything about Kevin in particular and am certainly not accusing him of anything, but I think we need to be aware there are a lot of people online who are very strongly opposed to "ロリコン" being defined as "pedophile" solely because it makes them feel personally attacked. Here's an example of a recent (June 24) Twitter thread where you can see how this usually plays out: https://twitter.com/COEofTypo/status/1539386476537970689 (there's a lot of replies but here's one that leads into this discussion of our definition as it appeared at the time on Jisho: https://twitter.com/ElFazendobarra/status/1539858524548632576 )

The argument that people on Twitter are making (that it seems Kevin is similarly arguing for) is that "ロリコン" should not be translated as "pedophile" because there are other words in Japanese that are also translated as "pedophilia/pedophile" and there is a distinction between those words (ペドフィリア/小児性愛 etc.) and ロリコン. While this is no doubt true, that it's only ロリコン that is used self-referentially, this doesn't mean that glosses like "male pedophile" or "male pedophilia" don't also belong here. We are not only concerned with getting the nuance right but also conveying the actual meaning of the word. Kevin changed "male pedophilia" to "sexual attraction to young girls" and "male pedophile" to "male with such an attraction", but are these really closer in nuance and meaning to ロリコン or just wordier and wafflier ways of saying the exact same things? That's a rhetorical question - it's obvious to me its the latter. It's hairsplitting. Look up the definitions of "pedophile" and "pedophilia" in any English dictionary. Notice also that ALL the kokugo definitions for ロリコン mention "性欲" - that an otaku-dominated wiki site like pixiv disagrees ("特別な感情" is what they call it) seems entirely irrelevant to me. This isn't a case of "Western bias", it's a case of looking at reliable sources instead of user-generated content.

I agree that "lolicon" rather than "male pedophile" should lead, for nuance etc. reasons, but that word will be meaningless to a lot of people, so we need to also include glosses that pithily explain what this actually means. We always strive for the most economical definitions so why exactly is it that we shouldn't call a spade a spade here?

Another point about the other reference Kevin posted is a blog post written by a person calling himself "初老のオタ" and the argument he is making is that ロリコン IS in fact used to refer to male pedophiles/pedophilia in Japanese media but that he finds this usage "wrong" because he has personally somewhat convolutedly decided that a "ロリコン" is somebody who is "sexually or romantically attracted to underage girls but doesn't necessarily want to act on it in real life" and that a ペド on the other hand is somebody whose "ultimate purpose" (最終目的) is to have sex with underage girls:

"ロリコン、ペド、チャイルド・マレスター……
これらの違いが曖昧な日本ならではの報道だなぁと。
...
少女・幼女に対し性的嗜好や恋愛感情を持つ事で、
最終的目標が性交の有無であるか否かは関係ありません。
...
●ロリは必ずしも性交を最終目的とはしておらず、
　ペドは性交を最終目的としている。"

We should really not be concerned with what "otaku purists" consider the correct use of the word (which by the way still would translate into "male pedophile" in English) but with how it's actually used in mainstream Japanese society. For more on that, see the multiple links I've previously posted.

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>oft. used self-referentially</s_inf>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I missed this, apologies. Kevin, welcome to JMDict. We always appreciate input on definitions but the multiple accusations of "cultural ignorance", "Western bias", "chauvinism", "strangeness" and  "glibness" are not at all appropriate and if you wish to continue participating in the discussion on how we should define this word, I would hope you would afford other editors more respect than you've done so far. I've changed "male with _such_ an attraction" to "male (sexually) attracted to young girls" because style-wise, we try to avoid glosses that explicitly refer to previous ones. I don't have time right now but I will try and revisit this at a later date as I'm not sure I fully agree with the changes made.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>
+<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>

Hmm. I guess this covers Marcus' view on  "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia" references.

Kevin's case and amendments seem sound but I'd like to see Marcus's response before approving.

日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。(wiki)

現在では幼い少女を性的に好んでいる人のことを指して使われることが多いが、本来ロリータ・コンプレックスとは性的な意味合いは薄く、（異性愛の）女性がロリータ・コンプレックスであるということも大いにありえる。本来は対象は「美」少女に限らない。(pixiv)

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン

A whole blog post on the subject:
http://yamatoasuka02.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-762.html?sp

Video series on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lETPaGnl2aI&ab_channel=PauseandSelect

Many of the references given by others below, despite their intentions, clearly imply a distinction between the concepts of lolicon and pedophilia. Some of them, such as the Wiki quote, literally state that they are different concepts. Despite this, this same reference was somehow used to justify including the gloss of "pedophile"? Truly strange, and obviously Western bias.

The pixiv article clearly states that lolicon is not necessarily sexual, which is not something that can be said about the different concept of pedophilia. Indeed, the very fact that "pedophilia" has entered the Japanese lexicon in katakana implies a core difference.

The blog article I provide underscores the fact that this is, at best, a debated topic. The current entry glibly sides with one side of this "debate" in a way that is unscholarly. Japan has a big cultural preference for the young and 未熟, and understanding that at a deep level is essential to understanding why it's inappropriate to glibly label lolicon to be pedophilia.

Honestly, they are quite obviously similar but different concepts, and it's culturally ignorant and chauvinistic to include this gloss.

@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>

https://nikkan-spa.jp/1481525
小児性愛は病気なのか？人口の5％いる彼らの犯罪を防ぐには
さらに、週刊誌報道によると、「中学生時代は遊び相手といえば小さな子どもだった」「いつも小さな子にベタベタと接する」といった記事もあり、今回の事件もいわゆる「ロリコン」――小児性愛者による犯
罪で、しかも、再犯だったと見られる。
...
まず、「ロリコン」とも言われる小児性愛は“病気”なのだろうか？
this article treats ロリコン as a colloquial term for 小児性愛者/小児性愛 (pedophile/pedophilia)

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/301509001364/
"幼児性愛病者（ロリコン）の魔法を完全に解くことができず、10歳の子供と18歳の大人姿の二重生活をしながら王宮に勤めるリーフィア。"
as does this one

https://www.cocolabo.me/loli-com/
"世の中には社会的に認められない欲望というものがあります。その中の一つとして割とメジャーなものが「子どもへの性的欲求」いわゆる「ロリコン」です。
精神医学的には、13歳以下の子どもへ性的欲求を持つことを「幼児性愛」（ペドフェリア）と呼びます。（参考：小児性愛障害-MSDマニュアル）"
and this one

https://www.mag2.com/p/money/1076497
"ロリコン犯罪の温床「性的同意年齢13歳」をすぐに引き上げよ。親の貧困化とSNSも要因、少年少女の性暴力被害者増加＝鈴木傾城"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/195397d3006e3ef705118829b4e31f779a8068eb
《少女わいせつ》前科3犯・ロリコン容疑者の卑劣な手口と、実母が涙で語る“性依存の闇”
"すでに仕事を引退し、いまは農業を営む両親。40歳近くにもなって自立せず、性犯罪を繰り返すロリコン息子についてどう考えているのか。"
　"改めて翌日、自宅にいる母親を訪ねてみた。すると、
「本当にすみません……。もうどうしていいのか……。息子は完全に（性犯罪の）依存症です……」"

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Tocana_201805_post_16895/
週刊誌記者によると「自宅へのガサ入れで幼児性愛者である証拠品が押収されたとの情報もある。やはりロリコンの線は消せない」という。

https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/10174
新潟少女殺害死体遺棄事件 「ロリコン性欲者」小林遼容疑者野放し

https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/29765
子どもへの性加害は「平均週2～3回」小児性犯罪者のすさまじい実態
「そりゃセックスもしましたよ。恋人同士ですもん。それを周りの人たちが、ぶち壊したんです。私がロリコンで、Yちゃんは被害者だといって引き離したんです。
　私はそんな人達によって犯罪者にさせられました。おかしいのはどっちだっていいたいです……」
　これは、12歳の少女に性加害をした49歳の男性の言葉である。

https://somec.org/activity2012.html
"「小児性愛は日本では『ロリコン』など好みの一種とされ、治療が受けにくい状況だ。治せる疾患という認識を社会が共有し、加害者をなくす道を広げるべきだ」と話す。"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/11ef2d546dd9c5be5d70e3a7eb861825eaed35de
3月場所中「16歳の少女」になりすまし11歳女児を…ロリコン力士の巧妙かつ卑劣な手口

https://dot.asahi.com/webdoku/2017060700082.html
ロリコン大国ニッポン 「アメリカだったら児童ポルノ扱い」

jawiki:ペドフィリア
日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。

https://www.police.pref.wakayama.lg.jp/01_anzen/syonen/kanren/index.html
児童ポルノとは、児童（18歳未満の少年。以下同じ。）を性欲の対象にした、児童のわいせつな画像(写真や動画など)のことをいいます。世間では、「ロリコン」といった呼び方で、児童ポルノを成人向けア
ダルト製品と見る風潮があります。しかしその本質は、児童に対する性犯罪・性的虐待の記録にほかなりません。
Here's a page from the Wakayama Prefectrual police explicitly saying that "lolicon" is the same thing as child pornography.



https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-08-09/.149914
English language discussion where a manga translator suggests "pedophile" can't be the correct translation for ロリコン because the word "ペドファイル" (a pretty rare word 
in Japanese) exists. I disagree.


Daijs: "幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理"
Daijr: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理"
Koj: "性的対象として少女・幼女を愛すること。"
Shinjirin: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。"
Nikk: "男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。"

I think it's remiss to not include the glosses "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia". It's obvious that in Japan, this is how the word is used.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>

Reopen.

Perhaps this addresses Marcus' point? I'll approve and reopen.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Chanced upon this headline just now:
少女買春ロリコン大富豪のジェフリー・エプスタイン逮
捕で新世界秩序の予定が狂う!? 陰謀の世界が大混乱… 
モサドが全方位で暗躍中！

daijr: 性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。
nikk:男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。
daijs: 幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。

I agree 1 sense is actually better, but 
the previous glosses "male pedophile" and 
"male sexually attracted to prepubescent 
girls" align much closer with what's in 
the kokugos. The new glosses on the other 
hand skip out on the "性愛／性欲” part 
(which is in all 3 kokugos) and on the "男
性が、” in nikk. So I don't see how that's 
an improvement.

reopen

english wikipedia

i don't think it's sexist, but i agree that it's too limited.  also, i don't think it's two senses.  we usually put the person in together with the action, etc.

i'm temp approving because i think the existing entry is clearly not right

the proposed "definition" is not appropriate for a japanese-english dictionary

@@ -9,7 +8,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

The definition of "lolicon" is 
problematic, and I'd like to persuade you 
to update it since it is misinformation 
and sexist.

The definition erroneously uses the 
definition of male paedophile. A 
paedophile is the attraction to 
prepubescent individuals, and pedophilia 
is the attraction itself to prepubescent 
individuals. The term "Lolita" comes from 
the novel and is only about an early 
adolescence girl. Lolita was depicted as 
12 in the novel, and 14 in the film. 99% 
of the depictions of fictional minors in 
the lolicon genre have small breasts. 
Prepubescent children don't have breasts. 
They're flat as a board.

The shotacon entry doesn't say "female 
pedophile". This is sexist because it 
implies only men can have attractions to 
minors. Women can be attracted to female 
and/or male minors and men can be 
attracted to male minors.

Here is my proposed updated definition 
with better parity to shotacon:

ロリコン (lolicon) sometimes shortened to 
ロリ (loli), is a Japanese slang 
portmanteau of the phrase "lolita complex" 
and describes an attraction to early 
adolescent girls, or an individual with 
such an attraction, although it has become 
a blanket term to refer to any minor 
attracted person/attraction to a minor. 
Outside Japan, the term is used less often 
with this meaning, and is used to refer to 
a genre of manga and anime wherein mostly 
preadolescent or early adolescent female 
characters are depicted in a suggestive or 
erotic manner.

daij　gg5 jawiki
Daij and jawiki say "lolita complex" is wasei. Enwiki has 
no article on "lolita complex", only on "lolicon" 
(interestingly, that page does not show up in Google 
searches)

I don't think ロリ and ロリコン should be the same entry. 
Splitting out ロリ
_
Based on enwiki, it seems "lolicon" can refer both to 
the "phenomenon" and the "person" in English. I think 
the English term refers esp. to a

@@ -7,3 +7,7 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ロリ</reb>
-</r_ele>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+</sense>
@@ -13 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2399250">小児性愛者</xref>
@@ -15,5 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>portraying children in an erotic style</gloss>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

Not really sure it's a sense, but I'll set it up and see. Tied to 正の字, which I'm proposing as well.

@@ -41,0 +42,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&num;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2841089">正の字</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2841089">正の字</xref>
+<gloss>five (in tallies, etc., based on stroke count)</gloss>
+</sense>

* GG5: "正の字で数える　count sth in units of five"
* https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/正#Numeral
* https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/2tkkf7/正_as_a_tally_marking_system/

Would it be okay to add something like "[num] unit of 5 (used in tallies)"? Just not sure where to insert it.

Removing all references to "long scale" in number entries.

@@ -25,2 +25 @@
-<gloss>ten thousand undecillion (short scale)</gloss>
-<gloss>ten thousand sextillion (long scale)</gloss>
+<gloss>ten thousand undecillion</gloss>

double-checking

@@ -25,2 +25,2 @@
-<gloss>thousand undecillion (short scale)</gloss>
-<gloss>thousand sextillion (long scale)</gloss>
+<gloss>ten thousand undecillion (short scale)</gloss>
+<gloss>ten thousand sextillion (long scale)</gloss>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Names_of_large_numbers

@@ -23,2 +23,1 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&num;</pos>
@@ -26,0 +25,2 @@
+<gloss>thousand undecillion (short scale)</gloss>
+<gloss>thousand sextillion (long scale)</gloss>

@@ -37,0 +37,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1497920">負・ふ</xref>

@@ -30,1 +30,1 @@
-<xref type="see">正本</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1377970">正本・せいほん</xref>

Yes, the katakana version is very common but seems to be all over the place, often as brand names.

n-grams
楽ちん	4113
ラクチン	4028
楽ちんだ	348
ラクチンだ	359

I saw this written in katakana, but I'm not completely certain of the n-grams. seems to be a ladies' shoe brand.

@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ラクチン</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>

Note could be improved.

@@ -9,4 +9,6 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2123640">ああそうそう</xref>
-<gloss>oh, really (uninterested)</gloss>
-<gloss>oh yeah?</gloss>
-<gloss>hmmmmm</gloss>
+<s_inf>indicates a lack of interest</s_inf>
+<gloss>oh, right</gloss>
+<gloss>oh, OK</gloss>
+<gloss>oh, yeah?</gloss>
+<gloss>oh, really?</gloss>
+<gloss>hmmm</gloss>

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<gloss>hmmmmm</gloss>

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q10426
74000
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q12373
17587

I think the ref to ああそうそう is wrong, really it's an impolite 
form of "あっ、そうですか" or "ああ、そうですか"

@@ -10,1 +10,2 @@
-<gloss>hmmmmm (lackadaisical, noncommittal reply)</gloss>
+<gloss>oh, really (uninterested)</gloss>
+<gloss>oh yeah?</gloss>

Entry created

yes, and this can also be plural so it definitely makes sense to extend it to companies of people that do such work.  i don't think a change is needed

Hmmm. 輸入者/importer probably began as a person, but the term has broadened. I don't think it changes the suffix. Terms like realtor/grocer/etc. were once used for people but they've been broadened to companies.

This also refers to companies, e.g. in 輸入者

Not in modern Japanese, at least. 
The kokugos do have a noun 者 (しゃ) entry but I don't think we need to worry about that.

I don't think 者/しゃ is ever a stand-alone noun in this context. None of my JEs have it, and Daijirin only has it as an abbreviation of 其れ者

@@ -11 +10,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>

Entry created

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_caltrop
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eleocharis_dulcis
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/water_chestnut

What GG5 states, is clearly that water chestnut is a synonym for water caltrop, both referring to the trapa genus. (it points specifically to trapa japonica, but as I've shown, it's actually the whole genus generally ...though hishi alone, is typically used for what the Japanese term trapa japonica)

This appears to be, however, a misuse of the term water chestnut.

@@ -14 +13,0 @@
-<gloss>water chestnut</gloss>

GG5, etc.

@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+<gloss>water chestnut</gloss>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_caltrop
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ヒシ科

"The water caltrop is any of three extant species of the genus Trapa" (note the "any")
Also, Japanese Wikipedias page on the trapa genus, shows that they are all considered types of hishi.

On the second sense, anywhere I look "caltrap" is simply shown to be an old (obsolete) spelling for caltrop.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>Trapa japonica (species of plant closely related to water chestnut or water caltrop)</gloss>
+<gloss>water caltrop</gloss>
@@ -18 +17,0 @@
-<gloss>caltrap</gloss>

Entry created

True, for English dictionaries, but I don't think that's generally done in Edict for katakanago where the source word is the same spelling.  Anyway, I'm sure Jim will adjudicate this night.

well, english dictionaries have the two 'slings' as two completely separate words, not as two senses of one word.  and after all, one is a weapon and one is a beverage

Not sure what the basis is for having (2) as a separate sense.

infoseek

@@ -14,0 +14,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2562130">シンガポール・スリング</xref>
+<gloss>sling (e.g. Singapore sling)</gloss>
+</sense>

http://www.geocities.jp/rterahsaga/datafiles/wepons2.html

／cargo net: カーゴ・ネット[小物貨物の荷役などにおいてその落下による損傷を防ぐため、またスリング (sling)から貨物がはずれた時に落水するのを防止するため、船の舷側(ブルワーク　bulwark )から網(ネット)を垂らして桟橋(wharf)・はしけなどの止める].

Looks like スリング does get used for 'cargo sling' (although I suspect it's usually カーゴ・スリング).

GG5 (in examples)

@@ -11,1 +11,4 @@
-<gloss>To quieten down</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<gloss>to quieten down</gloss>
+<gloss>to fall silent</gloss>
@@ -14,1 +17,4 @@
-<gloss>To lay low, keep a low profile</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<gloss>to lay low</gloss>
+<gloss>to keep a low profile</gloss>

see the Sk-Japan trade stuff

It's in 5 GG5 examples and one Tanaka (それなら話は別だよ。 In that case, I'll change my mind. ) 4 of the GG5 ones are 話は別だ.
話は別	205552
話は別だ	59381
話は別です	66377
話は別の	7262
話は別に	9970

I think it's OK as-is. Helpful to have.

@@ -12,2 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>to be a different matter</gloss>
-<gloss>to be a different story</gloss>
+<gloss>(a) different matter</gloss>
+<gloss>(a) different story</gloss>

I agree. "話は別" is usually part of a longer expression. I don't see any way of recording it except through example sentences.

seems like an example sentence thing to me

話は別	205552
なら話は別	63414
話は別だけど	15895
だったら話は別	3572

Hmm. I think this expression should be in 
here in some shape or other, but 話は別 
looks really odd to me as an entry.

https://eow.alc.co.jp/search?q=話は別

Usually ...なら話は別だ

GG5
正の字	4267

I'm approving then reopening, as I want an xref to work.

GG5

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