gg5 koj daijs

I don't think "standard" is right

@@ -17 +16,0 @@
-<gloss>standard</gloss>

daij, prog

Splitting into senses.

@@ -16 +16,5 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<gloss>polar regions</gloss>
+<gloss>the pole</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -18,2 +22 @@
-<gloss>furthest land</gloss>
-<gloss>polar regions</gloss>
+<gloss>ends of the earth</gloss>

This is the format we settled on for units of volume.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>kin (traditional Japanese unit of mass, 600g)</gloss>
+<gloss>kin</gloss>
@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+<gloss g_type="expl">traditional unit of weight, 600g</gloss>
@@ -19 +20 @@
-<gloss>pound (unit of mass)</gloss>
+<gloss>pound (unit of weight)</gloss>

gg5 koj daijs
wiki(Japanese units of measurement)
wiki (catty)

sense 1 is not archaic or obsolete
sense 2 seems like Meiji era usage, I think we mark that as obsolete
----
the kin was standardized as exactly 600g in 1886

@@ -12,2 +12,2 @@
-<misc>&arch;</misc>
-<gloss>unit of weight ~600g</gloss>
+<gloss>kin (traditional Japanese unit of mass, 600g)</gloss>
+<gloss>catty</gloss>
@@ -17,2 +17,3 @@
-<misc>&arch;</misc>
-<gloss>pound (unit of mass: 453.6g)</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2836648">英斤・えいきん</xref>
+<misc>&obs;</misc>
+<gloss>pound (unit of mass)</gloss>

@@ -21,0 +22 @@
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>

N-grams

Adjectival usage seems dominant.

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -18 +18,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -20 +20 @@
-<gloss>high price</gloss>
+<gloss>highly priced</gloss>

I would not mind splitting into a [n] and an [adj-na] sense
and keeping these proposed glosses

@@ -20,0 +21,3 @@
+<gloss>expensive</gloss>
+<gloss>valuable</gloss>
+<gloss>costly</gloss>

daij

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -18 +19 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1153740">安価</xref>

gg5 koj daijs

@@ -11,0 +12,2 @@
+<xref type="ant" seq="1595470">叙情・じょじょう</xref>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1595470">叙情・じょじょう</xref>
@@ -13 +15 @@
-<gloss>description</gloss>
+<gloss>description of things and facts</gloss>

@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1344890">叙情詩・じょじょうし</xref>

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1344850">叙事詩・じょじし</xref>

meikyo

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

gg5, daijr

@@ -19,2 +19 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
-<gloss>introvert</gloss>
+<gloss>introversion</gloss>

@@ -7,0 +8,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>付加え</keb>
@@ -16 +19 @@
-<gloss>addition to (something)</gloss>
+<gloss>addition (to something)</gloss>

Correct POS order
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
@@ -20 +20,0 @@
-<pos>&vi;</pos>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

gg5

Adjective glosses to noun form.
I don't think a separate [vs] sense is necessary here.

@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
@@ -21,8 +22,2 @@
-<gloss>analogous</gloss>
-<gloss>quasi</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&vs;</pos>
-<gloss>to resemble</gloss>
-<gloss>to be similar</gloss>
-<gloss>to be alike</gloss>
+<gloss>likeness</gloss>
+<gloss>analogy</gloss>

gg5 koj daijs

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<xref type="ant" seq="1344840">叙事・じょじ</xref>
@@ -21 +22 @@
-<gloss>description or expression of one's feelings</gloss>
+<gloss>description of one's feelings</gloss>

ngrams:
年輩者	951
年配者	2696

switched headwords

@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>年輩者</keb>
+<keb>年配者</keb>
@@ -8 +8 @@
-<keb>年配者</keb>
+<keb>年輩者</keb>

OK

The other senses are covered by our よる and によって entries. I think it's best to keep them separate. The other senses aren't conjunctions.
I think we can drop 縁って from here (and possibly add it to よる [1168660]). Most of the hits seem to be for 縁(えん)+って(quotative particle).

@@ -12,3 +11,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>縁って</keb>

It gets quite a few hits, possibly because of things like 木に縁って魚を求む.
I see most JEs have multiple senses for this entry.

daijr

I'm not seeing 縁って in my refs. Can we drop it?
Don't like "because of".

@@ -15,0 +16,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>依て</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>仍て</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -25 +31 @@
-<gloss>because of</gloss>
+<gloss>for that reason</gloss>

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

mk
しわ寄せ	141856	81.6%
皺寄せ	15539	8.9%
シワ寄せ	16488	9.5%

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>シワ寄せ</keb>

gg5
daijs: "あることの結果生じた無理や矛盾を、他の部分に押しつけること。また、その押しつけられた無理や矛盾。「低所得者層に皺寄せする」"

Having another go at this. I think it's better as two senses.

@@ -16 +16,5 @@
-<gloss>shifting (the bad effects) elsewhere</gloss>
+<gloss>shifting (the burden) onto</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>ill effects</gloss>
@@ -20 +24,2 @@
-<gloss>fallout</gloss>
+<gloss>brunt</gloss>
+<gloss>loss</gloss>

I don't think "compound"" works here.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>phono-semantic compound</gloss>
+<gloss>phono-semantic character</gloss>

wiki(Chinese character classification)
gg5 daijs koj

@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>kanji in which one element suggests the meaning, the other the pronunciation</gloss>
+<gloss>phono-semantic compound</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">kanji consisting of a semantic and a phonetic element</gloss>

追而 is restricted to sense [2], but the refs say 逐って can be both.

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬───────────┬───────╮
│ 追って │ 2,017,041 │ 83.1% │
│ 逐って │       766 │  0.0% │ 🡠 rK (meikyo, shinmeikai)
│ 追而　 │       253 │  0.0% │ 🡠 rK (meikyo, shinmeikai, daijr)
│ おって │   409,095 │ 16.9% │
╰─ーーー─┴───────────┴───────╯

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -11,0 +13 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +20 @@
+<stagk>逐って</stagk>

daij, koj

This isn't a conjunction according to the refs.

@@ -19 +18,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -29 +27,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>

eij, daijr

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>polar</gloss>
+<gloss>polar region</gloss>

Entry created

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20180928-00000167-jij-pol
G n-grams:
のど飴	192662
喉飴	8431
ノド飴	3292
喉あめ	686

I saw "喉あめ" in the above article.

@@ -9,0 +10,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ノド飴</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>喉あめ</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -11,0 +18,7 @@
+<re_restr>のど飴</re_restr>
+<re_restr>喉飴</re_restr>
+<re_restr>喉あめ</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ノドあめ</reb>
+<re_restr>ノド飴</re_restr>

Entry created

Sorry to have overlooked that. Yes, ゴン is in the kanwa part of 広辞苑. I've added it to kanjidic.

See edit #6 below

Shouldn't we add the go-on reading ゴン to KanjiDic?

I've been reading up on "zither" and it seems it's very widely used for plucked string instruments. Although "zither" is German it's from a Greek root; in fact the same root as "guitar". And it's used widely as a family name, so I guess I'll just have to accept it. "zither-like instrument" is too clumsy.

english wikipedia says six or seven but this is unreferenced and is not supported by japanese wikipedia, britannica or any japanese dictionary

@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss g_type="expl">six- or seven-stringed native Japanese zither</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">six-stringed native Japanese zither</gloss>

koj:
  音: キン(漢)　ゴン(呉)
  訓: こと

let's leave this open until Jim has checked the KanjiDic entry 琴

OK. Simpler.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パウンド

The kokugos just redirect to ポンド but I doubt it's ever used for the currency. Wikipedia only mentions the unit of weight.

@@ -11,6 +10,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="1126030">ポンド・2</xref>
-<gloss>pound (currency)</gloss>
-<gloss>pound sterling</gloss>

Quiet. I'm dropping this proposed sense.

@@ -17,5 +16,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="1061280">シャープ・3</xref>
-<gloss>hash sign</gloss>

The question here is whether Japanese people use パウンド for the # symbol. The English Wikipedia entry is quite irrelevant.
I don't have access to 「モノのなまえ辞典」 and have no view of its level of authority, but I'd need evidence before accepting this new sense. It's not in any of the JE or JJ dictionaries I checked.
Also, it seems シャープ is used for the # hashtag, etc. symbol. I don't see a case for editing that entry.

「モノのなまえ辞典」 (ISBN: 9784591164211) pg. 92

As per the reference and: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharp_(music)#:~:text=The sharp symbol (♯) resembles,avoid obscuring the staff lines., there is a distinction between the musical sharp sign (♯) and the hashtag sign (#). The correct term for the (non-musical) hashtag sign is パウンド.

Therefore, the entry for シャープ should also be edited to be clarified.

@@ -16,0 +17,5 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1061280">シャープ・3</xref>
+<gloss>hash sign</gloss>

daijs: "だれからも好評を得られること。広く人気があること。「万人受けをねらった新商品」 "
G n-grams:
万人うけ	2647

I think we need to gloss this as a noun.

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>万人うけ</keb>
@@ -11,0 +15 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -13,3 +17,3 @@
-<gloss>(being) universally acceptable</gloss>
-<gloss>suitable for all</gloss>
-<gloss>popular with many people</gloss>
+<gloss>being universally acceptable</gloss>
+<gloss>being suitable for all</gloss>
+<gloss>being popular with many people</gloss>

GG5

@@ -5,1 +5,1 @@
-<keb>万人受けする</keb>
+<keb>万人受け</keb>
@@ -8,1 +8,1 @@
-<reb>ばんにんうけする</reb>
+<reb>ばんにんうけ</reb>
@@ -12,2 +12,4 @@
-<gloss>one-size-fits-all</gloss>
-<gloss>popular with various people</gloss>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>(being) universally acceptable</gloss>
+<gloss>suitable for all</gloss>
+<gloss>popular with many people</gloss>

google 3,610,000 hits

G n-grams (top 10):
県域	35109	  
県域	8452	  
県域放送	4911	  
県域を	3945	  
県域の	3067	  
県域局	2180	  
県域の	2002	  
県域を越え	1562	  
県域に	1421	  
県域で	1410	  
県域は	1264

I think noun glosses are enough.

@@ -11 +10,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
@@ -13 +11,0 @@
-<gloss>prefectural</gloss>
@@ -16,2 +13,0 @@
-<gloss>within prefectural limits</gloss>
-<gloss>prefecture-wide</gloss>

I'm inclined to include it. I've gone through our present K域 entries, and some, such as 極域, are pretty obvious too. It's reasonably common.

> necessary?  seems like standard use of -域
I leave it to you (or other editors). I thought it was a kind of thing that has been accepted before. What are the guidelines?
.
> none of my refs both with an entry for it
I don't understand.
.
> i don't think it should be glossed as 'prefecture'
I thought "prefecture" could be used in something like the 4th example, but if not, I'm happy to have my proposal improved, or entirely deleted.
.
> the supplied list of glosses is a mix of nouns and adjectives
Should the definition be split into two senses (noun sense & adj-f sense)?

necessary?  seems like standard use of -域; none of my refs both with an entry for it.  in addition, i don't think it should be glossed as 'prefecture', and the supplied list of glosses is a mix of nouns and adjectives

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
@@ -12,2 +12,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>prefecture</gloss>

dupe branch

km

事ム所	46

I wouldn't be opposed to adding this to the 事務所 entry as an alternative reading but I don't think it's common enough to 
warrant inclusion on its own.

Reopen.

ありがーと	783
ありがと	4255043
ありがとう	95539750
ありがーとう	352
アリガート	146

I'm going to close this and then reopen it to reduce the clutter. I intend to get to the broader issue of handling oddball variants, but it will be a while. I like RObin's comments about ありがーと and I'm tossing in some n-gram counts in that area. It's interesting how common ありがと is.

i agree, but i don't think it fits in enamdict and we have a history of letting these kinds of things in.

i think ideally all these bizarre orthographical variants would just be handled by some kind of software interface to the dictionary that allows for fuzzy matching

Meant to delete it.

There's not really a clear consensus here but it's been almost 6 months now. I'm going to delete this based on arguments made by me, 
Robin, and Rene. I'll add it to the 事務所 entry but as I've said, I wouldn't be miffed if it isn't included at all.

reopen as a reminder

close and reopen. given the extent of the conversation, probably this is a matter for the mailing list

It might be the case that it's much more common in handwritten Japanese than online.
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q118149731
"私は急いでメモしないといけないときに、一種の略字として
まだれ（广）の中に“Ｋ”や“Ｏ”を入れて「慶応」としたり、
... こういう表記で、他に便利なのはありませんか？
...
事務所は事ム所だな。務はみんなムにしちゃう。"
https://books.google.co.jp/books?
id=KlYNMV9Ot0MC&lpg=PA430&ots=RhPIs9dLWH&dq=%22'%E4%BA%8B%E3%83%A0%E6%89%80%22%20%22%E5%8B%99%22&pg=PA430#v=onepage&q=%22
'%E4%BA%8B%E3%83%A0%E6%89%80%22%20%22%E5%8B%99%22&f=false
"全く務の字が一寸むづかしい貸めに、軍なる片暇名でその務音を示し間に合せてみる" (1936)
(149 unique hits on google books for 事ム所)
If so, I think that strengthens the case to include it, but it's hard to look into of course.
In general, we have included some pretty obscure kanji forms in plenty of entries. As long as they're properly marked as 
iK or oK, I don't think it's that much of an issue. Dictionary developers can decide for themselves how prominently (or 
not) they want to display these.

@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss>pound (unit of mass)</gloss>
+<gloss>pound (unit of weight)</gloss>

I would describe it as a unit of weight, not mass. Mass isn't measured in pounds.

koj daijs

gg5

gg5

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/千葉県 
"平野と丘陵が県土の大半を占め..."
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/県土

Not in the dictionaries.

lovely

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/飲尿 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urophagia
https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/飲尿

gg5, daij, koj
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition_style

GG5 has "polar method" but I can't find any support for that.

I think place is ok here. (My grandsons went to the one in Tokyo; they think it's a place.)

wiki(Legoland): Legoland (trademark in uppercase as LEGOLAND) is a chain of family theme parks ... owned and operated by the British theme park company Merlin Entertainments.

not sure about [place]

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/レゴランド

@@ -11 +11,2 @@
-<gloss xml:lang="mas">Nobuomi</gloss>
+<misc>&male;</misc>
+<gloss>Nobuomi</gloss>

https://japanese-names.info/first_name/nobuomi/

no ref/reason = insta-reject

@@ -11 +11,2 @@
-<gloss xml:lang="mas">Nobuomi</gloss>
+<misc>&male;</misc>
+<gloss>Nobuomi</gloss>

https://japanese-names.info/first_name/nobuomi/