http://ask.fm/LawofGreen/answer/1081109104
15

http://kohada.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/iga/12
09392904/l50

@@ -22,0 +23,7 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1017610">アニメーター</xref>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>animator</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -19,1 +19,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1132570">メートル</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132570">メートル・1</xref>

I don't think it's necessary. If someone couldn't read it, they wouldn't be able to search for it as a note.

Is this possibly helpful? Re-visiting my idea from 2012.

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<s_inf>sometimes written as ㍍</s_inf>
@@ -26,0 +28 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

@@ -20 +20 @@
-<lsource xml:lang="fre"/>
+<lsource xml:lang="fre">mètre</lsource>

@@ -27 +27 @@
-<gloss>meter (i.e. a gauge)</gloss>
+<gloss>meter</gloss>

You're right, I missed that the daijr entry was a kanwa entry. I 
don't have access to nikk since it disappeared from yahoo, so I 
don't know, I think this is most likely fine as is.

@@ -26 +26 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・1</xref>

i've no doubt that べい means metre (in a kanwa way), but that entry cited from daijs is a kanwa entry.  (i.e., it is not tagged as a noun).  so that supports metre being listed as a definition of 米[べい] in kanjidic (which it already is), not edict.

none of my sources have a non-kanwa entry for 米[べい].  the only source for it being non-kanwa is that nikk entry, but they don't seem to give it as a gloss (it appears to be inserted parenthetically as a note after defining 米[べい] as こめ.  what is the rest of the nikk entry?

@@ -26,4 +26 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・1</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・1</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・2</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・3</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター</xref>

As for more evidence for 米（べい) meaning meter, it's also 
in daijr: べい【米】③  長さの単位を表す。メートル。 「平米・立
米りゆうべい」

@@ -27 +27,3 @@
-<xref type="see">メーター</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・2</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・3</xref>

@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -8,0 +10 @@
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -25 +27 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・1</xref>
+<xref type="see">メーター</xref>

I can't see that as a case for べい being here. At the very most it could be a note on sense 1, but I'd want more evidence of べい meaning metre/meter.

@@ -15,4 +15,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>べい</reb>
-<re_restr>米</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
@@ -27,1 +23,0 @@
-<stagr>メートル</stagr>

nikk (not a kanwa entry as far as I can see: 
"べい【米】-日本国語大辞典
〔名〕こめ。よね。＊大慈恩寺三蔵法師伝承徳三年点〔１０９９〕九「纔に米（ヘイ）
を給せ令めたり」＊日葡辞書〔１６０３〜０４〕「Bei （ベイ）。コメ」長さの単位
「メートル」に当てて用いる語。たとえば ..." )

also consider 平米

@@ -15,0 +15,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>べい</reb>
+<re_restr>米</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
@@ -23,0 +27,1 @@
+<stagr>メートル</stagr>

Maybe one day. Not sure where - it's not kanji, and not a reading...... Anyway for now I want to duck.

@@ -24,1 +24,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1132530">メーター・1</xref>

Might it make sense to add ㍍ somewhere in this entry?

daij jawiki all say it's wasei. It might have gained some 
traction in English via 逆輸入 but certainly not to the 
extent that lolicon has.

@@ -13 +13,4 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
+<lsource ls_wasei="y">Lolita complex</lsource>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ロリータ・コンプレックス</reb>

I sometimes check twitter for mentions of jmdict/jisho and I've noticed that this entry frequently comes up for discussion. It's apparent there's a sizable contingent of anime/manga fans who are into "lolicon content" that are adamant that being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls is a completely different thing from pedophilia. I don't know anything about Kevin in particular and am certainly not accusing him of anything, but I think we need to be aware there are a lot of people online who are very strongly opposed to "ロリコン" being defined as "pedophile" solely because it makes them feel personally attacked. Here's an example of a recent (June 24) Twitter thread where you can see how this usually plays out: https://twitter.com/COEofTypo/status/1539386476537970689 (there's a lot of replies but here's one that leads into this discussion of our definition as it appeared at the time on Jisho: https://twitter.com/ElFazendobarra/status/1539858524548632576 )

The argument that people on Twitter are making (that it seems Kevin is similarly arguing for) is that "ロリコン" should not be translated as "pedophile" because there are other words in Japanese that are also translated as "pedophilia/pedophile" and there is a distinction between those words (ペドフィリア/小児性愛 etc.) and ロリコン. While this is no doubt true, that it's only ロリコン that is used self-referentially, this doesn't mean that glosses like "male pedophile" or "male pedophilia" don't also belong here. We are not only concerned with getting the nuance right but also conveying the actual meaning of the word. Kevin changed "male pedophilia" to "sexual attraction to young girls" and "male pedophile" to "male with such an attraction", but are these really closer in nuance and meaning to ロリコン or just wordier and wafflier ways of saying the exact same things? That's a rhetorical question - it's obvious to me its the latter. It's hairsplitting. Look up the definitions of "pedophile" and "pedophilia" in any English dictionary. Notice also that ALL the kokugo definitions for ロリコン mention "性欲" - that an otaku-dominated wiki site like pixiv disagrees ("特別な感情" is what they call it) seems entirely irrelevant to me. This isn't a case of "Western bias", it's a case of looking at reliable sources instead of user-generated content.

I agree that "lolicon" rather than "male pedophile" should lead, for nuance etc. reasons, but that word will be meaningless to a lot of people, so we need to also include glosses that pithily explain what this actually means. We always strive for the most economical definitions so why exactly is it that we shouldn't call a spade a spade here?

Another point about the other reference Kevin posted is a blog post written by a person calling himself "初老のオタ" and the argument he is making is that ロリコン IS in fact used to refer to male pedophiles/pedophilia in Japanese media but that he finds this usage "wrong" because he has personally somewhat convolutedly decided that a "ロリコン" is somebody who is "sexually or romantically attracted to underage girls but doesn't necessarily want to act on it in real life" and that a ペド on the other hand is somebody whose "ultimate purpose" (最終目的) is to have sex with underage girls:

"ロリコン、ペド、チャイルド・マレスター……
これらの違いが曖昧な日本ならではの報道だなぁと。
...
少女・幼女に対し性的嗜好や恋愛感情を持つ事で、
最終的目標が性交の有無であるか否かは関係ありません。
...
●ロリは必ずしも性交を最終目的とはしておらず、
　ペドは性交を最終目的としている。"

We should really not be concerned with what "otaku purists" consider the correct use of the word (which by the way still would translate into "male pedophile" in English) but with how it's actually used in mainstream Japanese society. For more on that, see the multiple links I've previously posted.

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>oft. used self-referentially</s_inf>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I missed this, apologies. Kevin, welcome to JMDict. We always appreciate input on definitions but the multiple accusations of "cultural ignorance", "Western bias", "chauvinism", "strangeness" and  "glibness" are not at all appropriate and if you wish to continue participating in the discussion on how we should define this word, I would hope you would afford other editors more respect than you've done so far. I've changed "male with _such_ an attraction" to "male (sexually) attracted to young girls" because style-wise, we try to avoid glosses that explicitly refer to previous ones. I don't have time right now but I will try and revisit this at a later date as I'm not sure I fully agree with the changes made.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>
+<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>

Hmm. I guess this covers Marcus' view on  "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia" references.

Kevin's case and amendments seem sound but I'd like to see Marcus's response before approving.

日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。(wiki)

現在では幼い少女を性的に好んでいる人のことを指して使われることが多いが、本来ロリータ・コンプレックスとは性的な意味合いは薄く、（異性愛の）女性がロリータ・コンプレックスであるということも大いにありえる。本来は対象は「美」少女に限らない。(pixiv)

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン

A whole blog post on the subject:
http://yamatoasuka02.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-762.html?sp

Video series on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lETPaGnl2aI&ab_channel=PauseandSelect

Many of the references given by others below, despite their intentions, clearly imply a distinction between the concepts of lolicon and pedophilia. Some of them, such as the Wiki quote, literally state that they are different concepts. Despite this, this same reference was somehow used to justify including the gloss of "pedophile"? Truly strange, and obviously Western bias.

The pixiv article clearly states that lolicon is not necessarily sexual, which is not something that can be said about the different concept of pedophilia. Indeed, the very fact that "pedophilia" has entered the Japanese lexicon in katakana implies a core difference.

The blog article I provide underscores the fact that this is, at best, a debated topic. The current entry glibly sides with one side of this "debate" in a way that is unscholarly. Japan has a big cultural preference for the young and 未熟, and understanding that at a deep level is essential to understanding why it's inappropriate to glibly label lolicon to be pedophilia.

Honestly, they are quite obviously similar but different concepts, and it's culturally ignorant and chauvinistic to include this gloss.

@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>

https://nikkan-spa.jp/1481525
小児性愛は病気なのか？人口の5％いる彼らの犯罪を防ぐには
さらに、週刊誌報道によると、「中学生時代は遊び相手といえば小さな子どもだった」「いつも小さな子にベタベタと接する」といった記事もあり、今回の事件もいわゆる「ロリコン」――小児性愛者による犯
罪で、しかも、再犯だったと見られる。
...
まず、「ロリコン」とも言われる小児性愛は“病気”なのだろうか？
this article treats ロリコン as a colloquial term for 小児性愛者/小児性愛 (pedophile/pedophilia)

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/301509001364/
"幼児性愛病者（ロリコン）の魔法を完全に解くことができず、10歳の子供と18歳の大人姿の二重生活をしながら王宮に勤めるリーフィア。"
as does this one

https://www.cocolabo.me/loli-com/
"世の中には社会的に認められない欲望というものがあります。その中の一つとして割とメジャーなものが「子どもへの性的欲求」いわゆる「ロリコン」です。
精神医学的には、13歳以下の子どもへ性的欲求を持つことを「幼児性愛」（ペドフェリア）と呼びます。（参考：小児性愛障害-MSDマニュアル）"
and this one

https://www.mag2.com/p/money/1076497
"ロリコン犯罪の温床「性的同意年齢13歳」をすぐに引き上げよ。親の貧困化とSNSも要因、少年少女の性暴力被害者増加＝鈴木傾城"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/195397d3006e3ef705118829b4e31f779a8068eb
《少女わいせつ》前科3犯・ロリコン容疑者の卑劣な手口と、実母が涙で語る“性依存の闇”
"すでに仕事を引退し、いまは農業を営む両親。40歳近くにもなって自立せず、性犯罪を繰り返すロリコン息子についてどう考えているのか。"
　"改めて翌日、自宅にいる母親を訪ねてみた。すると、
「本当にすみません……。もうどうしていいのか……。息子は完全に（性犯罪の）依存症です……」"

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Tocana_201805_post_16895/
週刊誌記者によると「自宅へのガサ入れで幼児性愛者である証拠品が押収されたとの情報もある。やはりロリコンの線は消せない」という。

https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/10174
新潟少女殺害死体遺棄事件 「ロリコン性欲者」小林遼容疑者野放し

https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/29765
子どもへの性加害は「平均週2～3回」小児性犯罪者のすさまじい実態
「そりゃセックスもしましたよ。恋人同士ですもん。それを周りの人たちが、ぶち壊したんです。私がロリコンで、Yちゃんは被害者だといって引き離したんです。
　私はそんな人達によって犯罪者にさせられました。おかしいのはどっちだっていいたいです……」
　これは、12歳の少女に性加害をした49歳の男性の言葉である。

https://somec.org/activity2012.html
"「小児性愛は日本では『ロリコン』など好みの一種とされ、治療が受けにくい状況だ。治せる疾患という認識を社会が共有し、加害者をなくす道を広げるべきだ」と話す。"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/11ef2d546dd9c5be5d70e3a7eb861825eaed35de
3月場所中「16歳の少女」になりすまし11歳女児を…ロリコン力士の巧妙かつ卑劣な手口

https://dot.asahi.com/webdoku/2017060700082.html
ロリコン大国ニッポン 「アメリカだったら児童ポルノ扱い」

jawiki:ペドフィリア
日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。

https://www.police.pref.wakayama.lg.jp/01_anzen/syonen/kanren/index.html
児童ポルノとは、児童（18歳未満の少年。以下同じ。）を性欲の対象にした、児童のわいせつな画像(写真や動画など)のことをいいます。世間では、「ロリコン」といった呼び方で、児童ポルノを成人向けア
ダルト製品と見る風潮があります。しかしその本質は、児童に対する性犯罪・性的虐待の記録にほかなりません。
Here's a page from the Wakayama Prefectrual police explicitly saying that "lolicon" is the same thing as child pornography.



https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-08-09/.149914
English language discussion where a manga translator suggests "pedophile" can't be the correct translation for ロリコン because the word "ペドファイル" (a pretty rare word 
in Japanese) exists. I disagree.


Daijs: "幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理"
Daijr: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理"
Koj: "性的対象として少女・幼女を愛すること。"
Shinjirin: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。"
Nikk: "男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。"

I think it's remiss to not include the glosses "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia". It's obvious that in Japan, this is how the word is used.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>

Reopen.

Perhaps this addresses Marcus' point? I'll approve and reopen.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Chanced upon this headline just now:
少女買春ロリコン大富豪のジェフリー・エプスタイン逮
捕で新世界秩序の予定が狂う!? 陰謀の世界が大混乱… 
モサドが全方位で暗躍中！

daijr: 性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。
nikk:男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。
daijs: 幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。

I agree 1 sense is actually better, but 
the previous glosses "male pedophile" and 
"male sexually attracted to prepubescent 
girls" align much closer with what's in 
the kokugos. The new glosses on the other 
hand skip out on the "性愛／性欲” part 
(which is in all 3 kokugos) and on the "男
性が、” in nikk. So I don't see how that's 
an improvement.

reopen

english wikipedia

i don't think it's sexist, but i agree that it's too limited.  also, i don't think it's two senses.  we usually put the person in together with the action, etc.

i'm temp approving because i think the existing entry is clearly not right

the proposed "definition" is not appropriate for a japanese-english dictionary

@@ -9,7 +8,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

The definition of "lolicon" is 
problematic, and I'd like to persuade you 
to update it since it is misinformation 
and sexist.

The definition erroneously uses the 
definition of male paedophile. A 
paedophile is the attraction to 
prepubescent individuals, and pedophilia 
is the attraction itself to prepubescent 
individuals. The term "Lolita" comes from 
the novel and is only about an early 
adolescence girl. Lolita was depicted as 
12 in the novel, and 14 in the film. 99% 
of the depictions of fictional minors in 
the lolicon genre have small breasts. 
Prepubescent children don't have breasts. 
They're flat as a board.

The shotacon entry doesn't say "female 
pedophile". This is sexist because it 
implies only men can have attractions to 
minors. Women can be attracted to female 
and/or male minors and men can be 
attracted to male minors.

Here is my proposed updated definition 
with better parity to shotacon:

ロリコン (lolicon) sometimes shortened to 
ロリ (loli), is a Japanese slang 
portmanteau of the phrase "lolita complex" 
and describes an attraction to early 
adolescent girls, or an individual with 
such an attraction, although it has become 
a blanket term to refer to any minor 
attracted person/attraction to a minor. 
Outside Japan, the term is used less often 
with this meaning, and is used to refer to 
a genre of manga and anime wherein mostly 
preadolescent or early adolescent female 
characters are depicted in a suggestive or 
erotic manner.

daij　gg5 jawiki
Daij and jawiki say "lolita complex" is wasei. Enwiki has 
no article on "lolita complex", only on "lolicon" 
(interestingly, that page does not show up in Google 
searches)

I don't think ロリ and ロリコン should be the same entry. 
Splitting out ロリ
_
Based on enwiki, it seems "lolicon" can refer both to 
the "phenomenon" and the "person" in English. I think 
the English term refers esp. to a

@@ -7,3 +7,7 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ロリ</reb>
-</r_ele>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+</sense>
@@ -13 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2399250">小児性愛者</xref>
@@ -15,5 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>portraying children in an erotic style</gloss>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I'll align the ロリータコンプレックス and ロリ glosses.

I don't mind it.

I asked a native speaker btw what they thought and they said （ことばとして）軽いじゃ軽いけど、ペドファイルじゃペドファイル。 I don't think they're actually considered two different things to most Japanese (outside of the otaku realm), but it might certainly be the case that there's a weaker connotation of "actual child molester" than there is for say ペドファイル.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>sexual obsession with young girls</gloss>

GG5: 〔その男性〕 a man attracted to very young girls.
●あいつはロリコンだ. He's into very young girls. | He has a thing for very young girls.
中辞典:  a sexual obsession with young girls; a “Lolita complex”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia

I'll accept that pedophile/pedophilia are probably accurate glosses, but I note that the JEs avoid that term. I suspect that in Japan there is a view that lolicon and pedophilia are slightly different things, but if you look at the actual definition of pedophilia, they are really the same.
Is there a problem with including "sexual obsession with young girls" in the glosses?

I sometimes check twitter for mentions of jmdict/jisho and I've noticed that this entry frequently comes up for discussion. It's apparent there's a sizable contingent of anime/manga fans who are into "lolicon content" that are adamant that being sexually attracted to prepubescent girls is a completely different thing from pedophilia. I don't know anything about Kevin in particular and am certainly not accusing him of anything, but I think we need to be aware there are a lot of people online who are very strongly opposed to "ロリコン" being defined as "pedophile" solely because it makes them feel personally attacked. Here's an example of a recent (June 24) Twitter thread where you can see how this usually plays out: https://twitter.com/COEofTypo/status/1539386476537970689 (there's a lot of replies but here's one that leads into this discussion of our definition as it appeared at the time on Jisho: https://twitter.com/ElFazendobarra/status/1539858524548632576 )

The argument that people on Twitter are making (that it seems Kevin is similarly arguing for) is that "ロリコン" should not be translated as "pedophile" because there are other words in Japanese that are also translated as "pedophilia/pedophile" and there is a distinction between those words (ペドフィリア/小児性愛 etc.) and ロリコン. While this is no doubt true, that it's only ロリコン that is used self-referentially, this doesn't mean that glosses like "male pedophile" or "male pedophilia" don't also belong here. We are not only concerned with getting the nuance right but also conveying the actual meaning of the word. Kevin changed "male pedophilia" to "sexual attraction to young girls" and "male pedophile" to "male with such an attraction", but are these really closer in nuance and meaning to ロリコン or just wordier and wafflier ways of saying the exact same things? That's a rhetorical question - it's obvious to me its the latter. It's hairsplitting. Look up the definitions of "pedophile" and "pedophilia" in any English dictionary. Notice also that ALL the kokugo definitions for ロリコン mention "性欲" - that an otaku-dominated wiki site like pixiv disagrees ("特別な感情" is what they call it) seems entirely irrelevant to me. This isn't a case of "Western bias", it's a case of looking at reliable sources instead of user-generated content.

I agree that "lolicon" rather than "male pedophile" should lead, for nuance etc. reasons, but that word will be meaningless to a lot of people, so we need to also include glosses that pithily explain what this actually means. We always strive for the most economical definitions so why exactly is it that we shouldn't call a spade a spade here?

Another point about the other reference Kevin posted is a blog post written by a person calling himself "初老のオタ" and the argument he is making is that ロリコン IS in fact used to refer to male pedophiles/pedophilia in Japanese media but that he finds this usage "wrong" because he has personally somewhat convolutedly decided that a "ロリコン" is somebody who is "sexually or romantically attracted to underage girls but doesn't necessarily want to act on it in real life" and that a ペド on the other hand is somebody whose "ultimate purpose" (最終目的) is to have sex with underage girls:

"ロリコン、ペド、チャイルド・マレスター……
これらの違いが曖昧な日本ならではの報道だなぁと。
...
少女・幼女に対し性的嗜好や恋愛感情を持つ事で、
最終的目標が性交の有無であるか否かは関係ありません。
...
●ロリは必ずしも性交を最終目的とはしておらず、
　ペドは性交を最終目的としている。"

We should really not be concerned with what "otaku purists" consider the correct use of the word (which by the way still would translate into "male pedophile" in English) but with how it's actually used in mainstream Japanese society. For more on that, see the multiple links I've previously posted.

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<s_inf>oft. used self-referentially</s_inf>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

I missed this, apologies. Kevin, welcome to JMDict. We always appreciate input on definitions but the multiple accusations of "cultural ignorance", "Western bias", "chauvinism", "strangeness" and  "glibness" are not at all appropriate and if you wish to continue participating in the discussion on how we should define this word, I would hope you would afford other editors more respect than you've done so far. I've changed "male with _such_ an attraction" to "male (sexually) attracted to young girls" because style-wise, we try to avoid glosses that explicitly refer to previous ones. I don't have time right now but I will try and revisit this at a later date as I'm not sure I fully agree with the changes made.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>
+<gloss>male (sexually) attracted to young girls</gloss>

Hmm. I guess this covers Marcus' view on  "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia" references.

Kevin's case and amendments seem sound but I'd like to see Marcus's response before approving.

日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。(wiki)

現在では幼い少女を性的に好んでいる人のことを指して使われることが多いが、本来ロリータ・コンプレックスとは性的な意味合いは薄く、（異性愛の）女性がロリータ・コンプレックスであるということも大いにありえる。本来は対象は「美」少女に限らない。(pixiv)

https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン

A whole blog post on the subject:
http://yamatoasuka02.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-762.html?sp

Video series on the topic:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=lETPaGnl2aI&ab_channel=PauseandSelect

Many of the references given by others below, despite their intentions, clearly imply a distinction between the concepts of lolicon and pedophilia. Some of them, such as the Wiki quote, literally state that they are different concepts. Despite this, this same reference was somehow used to justify including the gloss of "pedophile"? Truly strange, and obviously Western bias.

The pixiv article clearly states that lolicon is not necessarily sexual, which is not something that can be said about the different concept of pedophilia. Indeed, the very fact that "pedophilia" has entered the Japanese lexicon in katakana implies a core difference.

The blog article I provide underscores the fact that this is, at best, a debated topic. The current entry glibly sides with one side of this "debate" in a way that is unscholarly. Japan has a big cultural preference for the young and 未熟, and understanding that at a deep level is essential to understanding why it's inappropriate to glibly label lolicon to be pedophilia.

Honestly, they are quite obviously similar but different concepts, and it's culturally ignorant and chauvinistic to include this gloss.

@@ -12,3 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(often sexual) attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>a male with such an attraction</gloss>

https://nikkan-spa.jp/1481525
小児性愛は病気なのか？人口の5％いる彼らの犯罪を防ぐには
さらに、週刊誌報道によると、「中学生時代は遊び相手といえば小さな子どもだった」「いつも小さな子にベタベタと接する」といった記事もあり、今回の事件もいわゆる「ロリコン」――小児性愛者による犯
罪で、しかも、再犯だったと見られる。
...
まず、「ロリコン」とも言われる小児性愛は“病気”なのだろうか？
this article treats ロリコン as a colloquial term for 小児性愛者/小児性愛 (pedophile/pedophilia)

https://www.kadokawa.co.jp/product/301509001364/
"幼児性愛病者（ロリコン）の魔法を完全に解くことができず、10歳の子供と18歳の大人姿の二重生活をしながら王宮に勤めるリーフィア。"
as does this one

https://www.cocolabo.me/loli-com/
"世の中には社会的に認められない欲望というものがあります。その中の一つとして割とメジャーなものが「子どもへの性的欲求」いわゆる「ロリコン」です。
精神医学的には、13歳以下の子どもへ性的欲求を持つことを「幼児性愛」（ペドフェリア）と呼びます。（参考：小児性愛障害-MSDマニュアル）"
and this one

https://www.mag2.com/p/money/1076497
"ロリコン犯罪の温床「性的同意年齢13歳」をすぐに引き上げよ。親の貧困化とSNSも要因、少年少女の性暴力被害者増加＝鈴木傾城"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/195397d3006e3ef705118829b4e31f779a8068eb
《少女わいせつ》前科3犯・ロリコン容疑者の卑劣な手口と、実母が涙で語る“性依存の闇”
"すでに仕事を引退し、いまは農業を営む両親。40歳近くにもなって自立せず、性犯罪を繰り返すロリコン息子についてどう考えているのか。"
　"改めて翌日、自宅にいる母親を訪ねてみた。すると、
「本当にすみません……。もうどうしていいのか……。息子は完全に（性犯罪の）依存症です……」"

https://www.excite.co.jp/news/article/Tocana_201805_post_16895/
週刊誌記者によると「自宅へのガサ入れで幼児性愛者である証拠品が押収されたとの情報もある。やはりロリコンの線は消せない」という。

https://friday.kodansha.co.jp/article/10174
新潟少女殺害死体遺棄事件 「ロリコン性欲者」小林遼容疑者野放し

https://bunshun.jp/articles/-/29765
子どもへの性加害は「平均週2～3回」小児性犯罪者のすさまじい実態
「そりゃセックスもしましたよ。恋人同士ですもん。それを周りの人たちが、ぶち壊したんです。私がロリコンで、Yちゃんは被害者だといって引き離したんです。
　私はそんな人達によって犯罪者にさせられました。おかしいのはどっちだっていいたいです……」
　これは、12歳の少女に性加害をした49歳の男性の言葉である。

https://somec.org/activity2012.html
"「小児性愛は日本では『ロリコン』など好みの一種とされ、治療が受けにくい状況だ。治せる疾患という認識を社会が共有し、加害者をなくす道を広げるべきだ」と話す。"

https://news.yahoo.co.jp/articles/11ef2d546dd9c5be5d70e3a7eb861825eaed35de
3月場所中「16歳の少女」になりすまし11歳女児を…ロリコン力士の巧妙かつ卑劣な手口

https://dot.asahi.com/webdoku/2017060700082.html
ロリコン大国ニッポン 「アメリカだったら児童ポルノ扱い」

jawiki:ペドフィリア
日本の場合、ロリコンとペドフィリアが混同され、日常語としての「ペドフィリア」は、ロリコンに比べて病的・犯罪的ニュアンスを伴って使用される場合が多い。

https://www.police.pref.wakayama.lg.jp/01_anzen/syonen/kanren/index.html
児童ポルノとは、児童（18歳未満の少年。以下同じ。）を性欲の対象にした、児童のわいせつな画像(写真や動画など)のことをいいます。世間では、「ロリコン」といった呼び方で、児童ポルノを成人向けア
ダルト製品と見る風潮があります。しかしその本質は、児童に対する性犯罪・性的虐待の記録にほかなりません。
Here's a page from the Wakayama Prefectrual police explicitly saying that "lolicon" is the same thing as child pornography.



https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2019-08-09/.149914
English language discussion where a manga translator suggests "pedophile" can't be the correct translation for ロリコン because the word "ペドファイル" (a pretty rare word 
in Japanese) exists. I disagree.


Daijs: "幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理"
Daijr: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理"
Koj: "性的対象として少女・幼女を愛すること。"
Shinjirin: "性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。"
Nikk: "男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。"

I think it's remiss to not include the glosses "male pedophile" and "male pedophilia". It's obvious that in Japan, this is how the word is used.

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>

Reopen.

Perhaps this addresses Marcus' point? I'll approve and reopen.

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

Chanced upon this headline just now:
少女買春ロリコン大富豪のジェフリー・エプスタイン逮
捕で新世界秩序の予定が狂う!? 陰謀の世界が大混乱… 
モサドが全方位で暗躍中！

daijr: 性愛の対象を少女にのみ求める心理。
nikk:男性が、性愛の対象として少女に偏執すること。
daijs: 幼女・少女にのみ性欲を感じる異常心理。

I agree 1 sense is actually better, but 
the previous glosses "male pedophile" and 
"male sexually attracted to prepubescent 
girls" align much closer with what's in 
the kokugos. The new glosses on the other 
hand skip out on the "性愛／性欲” part 
(which is in all 3 kokugos) and on the "男
性が、” in nikk. So I don't see how that's 
an improvement.

reopen

english wikipedia

i don't think it's sexist, but i agree that it's too limited.  also, i don't think it's two senses.  we usually put the person in together with the action, etc.

i'm temp approving because i think the existing entry is clearly not right

the proposed "definition" is not appropriate for a japanese-english dictionary

@@ -9,7 +8,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

The definition of "lolicon" is 
problematic, and I'd like to persuade you 
to update it since it is misinformation 
and sexist.

The definition erroneously uses the 
definition of male paedophile. A 
paedophile is the attraction to 
prepubescent individuals, and pedophilia 
is the attraction itself to prepubescent 
individuals. The term "Lolita" comes from 
the novel and is only about an early 
adolescence girl. Lolita was depicted as 
12 in the novel, and 14 in the film. 99% 
of the depictions of fictional minors in 
the lolicon genre have small breasts. 
Prepubescent children don't have breasts. 
They're flat as a board.

The shotacon entry doesn't say "female 
pedophile". This is sexist because it 
implies only men can have attractions to 
minors. Women can be attracted to female 
and/or male minors and men can be 
attracted to male minors.

Here is my proposed updated definition 
with better parity to shotacon:

ロリコン (lolicon) sometimes shortened to 
ロリ (loli), is a Japanese slang 
portmanteau of the phrase "lolita complex" 
and describes an attraction to early 
adolescent girls, or an individual with 
such an attraction, although it has become 
a blanket term to refer to any minor 
attracted person/attraction to a minor. 
Outside Japan, the term is used less often 
with this meaning, and is used to refer to 
a genre of manga and anime wherein mostly 
preadolescent or early adolescent female 
characters are depicted in a suggestive or 
erotic manner.

daij　gg5 jawiki
Daij and jawiki say "lolita complex" is wasei. Enwiki has 
no article on "lolita complex", only on "lolicon" 
(interestingly, that page does not show up in Google 
searches)

I don't think ロリ and ロリコン should be the same entry. 
Splitting out ロリ
_
Based on enwiki, it seems "lolicon" can refer both to 
the "phenomenon" and the "person" in English. I think 
the English term refers esp. to a

@@ -7,3 +7,7 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ロリ</reb>
-</r_ele>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male sexually attracted to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+</sense>
@@ -13 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2399250">小児性愛者</xref>
@@ -15,5 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>Lolita complex (sexual attraction to children, esp. young girls)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<gloss>portraying children in an erotic style</gloss>
+<gloss>lolicon</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>

@@ -36,2 +36,4 @@
-<s_inf>as ...ことがない, etc.</s_inf>
-<gloss>indicates negation, inexperience, unnecessariness or impossibility</gloss>
+<s_inf>as ...ことがない, etc.; indicates negation, inexperience, unnecessariness or impossibility</s_inf>
+<gloss>not</gloss>
+<gloss>impossible</gloss>
+<gloss>won't happen</gloss>

@@ -41,1 +41,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2257550">ない</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2257550">ない・1</xref>

->notes

@@ -42,1 +42,2 @@
-<gloss>(after the ren'youkei form of an adjective) not ...</gloss>
+<s_inf>after the ren'youkei form of an adjective</s_inf>
+<gloss>not ...</gloss>
@@ -46,1 +47,2 @@
-<gloss>(after the -te form of a verb) to not be...</gloss>
+<s_inf>after the -te form of a verb</s_inf>
+<gloss>to not be...</gloss>

@@ -26,0 +27 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1859220">命をかける</xref>

If we really do have to give it a non-"usage note" gloss, 
how's this? It can be used to mean a little bit of 
anything, it seems, so the definitions are all over the 
place.

@@ -32,2 +32,8 @@
-<s_inf>at sentence-end; used for emphasis, etc.</s_inf>
-<gloss>!!!</gloss>
+<s_inf>usu. at the beginning or/and end of a sentence or word but also by itself; used for emphasis, etc.</s_inf>
+<gloss>wow</gloss>
+<gloss>yeah</gloss>
+<gloss>ugh</gloss>
+<gloss>yuck</gloss>
+<gloss>awesome</gloss>
+<gloss>really</gloss>
+<gloss>let's go</gloss>

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail
/q14173010469
"最近、友達とLINEしているとよく語尾に卍って付けるんですけどど
のような意味ですか？"
twitter search for "おはよう卍" & "お休み卍"
https://twitter.com/search?
f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%E3%81%8A%E3%81%AF%E3%82%88%
E3%81%86%E5%8D%8D&src=typd
https://twitter.com/search?
f=tweets&q=%E3%81%8A%E4%BC%91%E3%81%BF%E5%8D%8D&src=typd

Sorry, the [expl]...
was really just me capitulating to not being able to 
come up with an actual translation.
(I hate to sound like a broken record, but I do wish 
we'd allow senses with only [note]'s)
I think usage is probably both [int] and a sentence-
ending [prt], but also just as a symbol/punctuation, 
e.g. "卍体調不良でお休み卍" (twitter)

Maybe this is better? If it's being used as a quasi-punctuation mark it's probably worth mentioning.
I'm not sure it's a particle.

@@ -30 +30 @@
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&int;</pos>
@@ -33 +33 @@
-<gloss g_type="expl">...</gloss>
+<gloss>!!!</gloss>

What is meant by "[expl] ..."?

daij (sense 2)
sense 3: 
https://twitter.com/search?
f=tweets&vertical=default&q=%E5%8D%8D&src=typd

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<s_inf>used as a symbol for Buddhist temples on maps</s_inf>
@@ -22,0 +24,11 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>swastika-shaped family crest</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<stagk>卍</stagk>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<s_inf>at sentence-end; used for emphasis, etc.</s_inf>
+<gloss g_type="expl">...</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<pos>&v5k;</pos>

koj

the kokugos have this too, but i agree that it's awkward

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>其の道</keb>

この道	701238
その道	508707
あの道	45677


The expressions この道/その道 are very 
common, but you'll also see あの道 with 
this meaning, e.g. あの道10年 gets plenty 
of google hits. If we keep その道, we 
should at the very least also have この道, 
but should we also do あの道, then? At that 
stage, it's starting to feel a little 
ridiculous. 

Also I don't think "usual meaning" in 
sense 2 is a good note. Should that sense 
even be included? What about the other 道 
senses, why aren't they included if this 
one is?

Reopen.

My 3 online JEs all have entries for this one:
- GG5 points to the "field; subject; speciality" sense of 道/みち, where there are a couple of examples of this
- 中辞典: (1) 〈職業〉 the line (of business); the profession; the trade; 〈芸道〉 the art; 〈分野〉 the field
- ルミナス: (専門･職業) the line　★口語的; (研究の分野) the field; (芸道) the art.

This is expression is using a low-order sense of 道/みち, which is probably why the JEs include it. I think we should too.
In line with the JEs, I propose making it the first sense. I'll lock this in and reopen.

@@ -13,5 +12,0 @@
-<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&exp;</pos>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -22,0 +18,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf>
+<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss>
+</sense>

I agree it probably isn't needed.

Should this really be an entry? この道 with 
the same meaning is prob more common but 
isn't an entry. Really this should be 
covered by the 道 entry, shouldn't it?

@@ -18 +18 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・5</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・7</xref>

Do we really need to point out that "this road" is the usual meaning?
I think the comment can be dropped.

@@ -13 +12,0 @@
-<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf>

No more comments.

Yes, probably.

@@ -11,0 +12,7 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf>
+<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -17,5 +23,0 @@
-<sense>
-<pos>&exp;</pos>
-<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf>
-<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss>
-</sense>

If it's the "(more) usual meaning", shouldn't it come 
first?

GG5

The entry is being matched against the far more common regular construction.

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・5</xref>
@@ -15,0 +17,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf>
+<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss>more refined language through prefixing of "o-" or "-go" to words, and use of appropriate vocabulary</gloss>
+<gloss>more refined language through prefixing of "o-" or "go-" to words, and use of appropriate vocabulary</gloss>

Entry created

replacing "bright", "light" with "20-point card". 
"non-rain" could be "non-November" instead but since the card is often just called 雨 in Japanese, I think it works.

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>three non-rain brights (high-scoring meld in hanafuda)</gloss>
+<gloss>three non-rain 20-point cards (high-scoring meld in hanafuda)</gloss>

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>three non-rain brights (high-scoring combination in hanafuda)</gloss>
+<gloss>three non-rain brights (high-scoring meld in hanafuda)</gloss>

Aligning with other entries

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>three non-rain light cards (high-scoring combination in hanafuda)</gloss>
+<gloss>three non-rain brights (high-scoring combination in hanafuda)</gloss>

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>(in hanafuda) a collection of three non-rain light cards</gloss>
+<gloss>three non-rain light cards (high-scoring combination in hanafuda)</gloss>

Entry created

I really meant potassium....

updating xref

@@ -36,2 +36,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1038690">カラット・1</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="1038690">カラット・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1038690">カラット・2</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1038690">カラット・2</xref>
@@ -39,0 +40 @@
+<gloss>carat</gloss>

jwiki(カラット)

jewelry carat is abbreviated ct or car

@@ -37,2 +37 @@
-<gloss>carat (unit of weight of gemstones)</gloss>
-<gloss>karat (unit of purity of gold)</gloss>
+<gloss>karat (measure of purity of gold)</gloss>

good suggestion Jim

@@ -21,0 +22,19 @@
+<pos>&pref;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1042610">キロ・1</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>kilo</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2461690">ケルビン</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>kelvin</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1038690">カラット</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>carat (unit of weight of gemstones)</gloss>
+<gloss>karat (unit of purity of gold)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
@@ -22,0 +42,18 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1038730">カリウム</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>potassium (K)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>king (playing card rank)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&pref;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1963710">ケッヘル番号・ケッヘルばんごう</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>Köchel (catalogue of Mozart's music)​</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1041150">キッチン・1</xref>

GG5: 〔英語アルファベットの第 11 字〕 K; k.
Daijr: K/k, calcium, karat, king, kelvin, kilo, Köchel.

I think we should either just have one sense as in GG5, or a reasonable selection of the common uses of "k". I rather like Daijirin's 7.

reopen

daijs: 13 senses, not sure which ones are worth adding

tmp forxref

@@ -20,0 +21,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>kitchen</gloss>
+</sense>

Alternative.

@@ -13,0 +13,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ケイ</reb>
+</r_ele>

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<field>&mahj;</field>
@@ -13 +14 @@
-<gloss>said when taking a tile discarded by the player to one's left to form a chow (mahjong)</gloss>
+<gloss>said when taking a tile discarded by the player to one's left to form a chow</gloss>

@@ -13,1 +13,1 @@
-<gloss>said when taking a tile discarded by the player one one's left to form a chow (mahjong)</gloss>
+<gloss>said when taking a tile discarded by the player to one's left to form a chow (mahjong)</gloss>

daijs

I thought we had agreed expl didn't have to be supplimentary 
(per the mailing list discussion "When to use (brackets), 
[expl], [note=]"). since this IS an explanatory gloss, 
doesn't it make sense to tag it as such?

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/こいこい
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koi-Koi

Short of summarizing the rules, I can't think of a better gloss.

@@ -11 +11 @@
-<gloss g_type="expl">card game played with a hanafuda deck</gloss>
+<gloss>card game played with a hanafuda deck</gloss>

[expl] glosses are supplementary.  this needs a main gloss

daijs

Odd adoption, but not wasei.

@@ -9,2 +9,2 @@
-<xref type="see">バブル</xref>
-<lsource ls_wasei="y">bubbly</lsource>
+<xref type="see" seq="1099540">バブル・1</xref>
+<lsource xml:lang="eng">bubbly</lsource>

daij, zokugo, とっさの日本語便利帳
_
http://gakkari.club/netflix-fuji
"日本の民法放送局の中でも、とりわけバブリーで反権力とは真逆なの
がフジテレビだ。"
(as opposed to Netflix, which supposedly are more 
"bubbly")
_
https://twitter.com/kiva_blitz/status/761070952796950529
"今日、吉野家に行ったら２人組のサラリーマン（上司と部下？）がい
て、近くのタワーマンションの話をしていた。上司っぽい方が『バブリ
ーだよなぁ』と言ったら、部下っぽい方が『えっ、胎内回帰願望でもあ
るんすか？』と言っていたので、思わずむせてしまった。"

maybe col?
_
sense 1 is kind of all over the place. the more 
encompassing single gloss could maybe be "reminiscent of 
the 1980's bubble era"
_
added "bubblelike" to the 2nd sense to clarify it's not 
about being "animated" but "resembling a bubble/bubbles"

Aligning. Seems OK.

@@ -11 +11 @@
-<s_inf>used in place of the plain copula だ when attributing an utterance to a Chinese person</s_inf>
+<s_inf>used in place of だ when attributing an utterance to a Chinese person</s_inf>

reopen.  see comment below regarding lsrc

there needs to be some sort of lsrc in there or a note.  i'm temporarily changing to chinese, because it is currently marked as kor which is clearly not right.  also changing the pos to exp as in the other similar korean entry

temp approve

@@ -8 +8 @@
-<pos>&cop-da;</pos>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<lsource xml:lang="chi"/>

Yes, copy and paste mistake. But I can't find any evidence it's actually from Chinese. Some sources say it's from 協和語, 
a Manchurian-Japanese pidgin.

@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<lsource xml:lang="chi"/>

i assume this is supposed to be chinese, not korean, and that this was simply a copy-paste error?  should this really be marked as cop-da?

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<lsource xml:lang="kor"/>
+<lsource xml:lang="chi"/>

Looks OK.

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/神楽_(%E9%8A
%80%E9%AD%82)
"また、銀時の着物と同じデザインの布をチャイナ服風にアレンジし
たものを着用していたが、後に5年前（銀時視点での現在）と同じ赤
いチャイナ服も着用している。なお既に江戸へ滞在してかなりの期間
が過ぎており、いわゆる「～アル」といったエセ中国人風な語尾が使
えなくなったという外国人タレントのような愚痴までこぼしてい
る。"
https://ddnavi.com/news/212168/a/
"中国人美少女キャラは、なぜ「○○○アル」と話すのか？"

Aligning with the ニダ entry. Is cop-da fine here too?

@@ -8,2 +8,7 @@
-<pos>&aux;</pos>
-<gloss>stereotypical sentence ending marking a Chinese speaker, roughly equivalent to desu</gloss>
+<pos>&cop-da;</pos>
+<misc>&joc;</misc>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<s_inf>used in place of the plain copula だ when attributing an utterance to a Chinese person</s_inf>
+<lsource xml:lang="kor"/>
+<gloss>be</gloss>
+<gloss>is</gloss>

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/アル
　かつて（数十年ほど前）中国人が日本語を正式に学校で学ばず簡易的に話そうとした時に特徴的だった語尾。「彼、中国人アル」のような文の語尾。「です」というべきところの誤用。
Web search for 中国人 アル

https://s.vndb.org/sf/58/97958.jpg

OK, I'll drop it. I won't simply reject it as I want these comments to be visible in the 
main sequence.

@@ -4,4 +3,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>炉裏</keb>
-<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
@@ -16 +11,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -25 +19,0 @@
-<misc>&uk;</misc>

anyone can make up ateji for anything.  it's like documenting intentional puns or misspellings in an english-english dictionary.  there needs to be good justification for including an ateji as a kanji headword, esp. if it is the only one.  (such justification being "it appears as the headword in a kokugo dictionary", etc.)

this should be a note at best.

so i would dump it as well, and i think that makes three of us who are at least iffy about this.

How common is this? I'm also uncomfortable with having obscure, non-standard ateji in the kanji field.

You need to ask Anon who proposed it that way last month.
In general I'm a bit iffy about recording odd-ball ateji, but this is hardly a key part of the lexicon. I'll draft that in and see if the others like it.

@@ -3,0 +4,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>炉裏</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -12 +16 @@
-<s_inf>also written 炉裏</s_inf>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -20,0 +25 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

What's the rationale for not having "炉裏" in the kanji field (perhaps as ateji)? It would be nice to have this compound searchable.

to match

@@ -22 +22 @@
-<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to young girls</gloss>

synching #1 with ロリータ

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>precocious girl</gloss>
+<gloss>young girl</gloss>
+<gloss>childlike young woman</gloss>

reopen

synching & temp approve

@@ -22 +22,2 @@
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>attraction to young girls</gloss>
+<gloss>person attracted to young girls</gloss>

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<s_inf>also written as 炉裏</s_inf>
+<s_inf>also written 炉裏</s_inf>

google images

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<s_inf>also written as 炉裏</s_inf>

@@ -9 +9 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2835377">ロリータ・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2835377">ロリータ・2</xref>

Aligning with ロリータ proposal.

@@ -13,2 +13 @@
-<gloss>Lolita</gloss>
-<gloss>(precociously seductive) girl</gloss>
+<gloss>precocious girl</gloss>

@@ -9 +9 @@
-<xref type="see">ロリータ</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2835377">ロリータ</xref>

@@ -8,0 +9,3 @@
+<xref type="see">ロリータ</xref>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
@@ -15,0 +19,2 @@
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>

http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ロリ
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Lolita

Splitting out from ロリコン