ホっと	45768

@@ -11,0 +12,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ホっと</reb>
+</r_ele>

ほっと	3390305
ホッと	2176861

@@ -5,0 +6,4 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ホッと</reb>

gg5 koj daijs

not just rain

@@ -24 +24 @@
-<gloss>to rain incessantly</gloss>
+<gloss>to fall incessantly (rain, snow, etc.)</gloss>

koj, etc. for vi

perhaps io for 降頻る (not in daij)

@@ -14,0 +14,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>
@@ -22,0 +23,1 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

Daijr, Gg5, etc.

降り頻る is how it's usually in dictionaries, but they use 降りしきる in examples. Sorted on ngram counts.

@@ -8,0 +8,6 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>降り頻る</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>降頻る</keb>

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf>

nikk

@@ -9,0 +9,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>罔羅</keb>

GG5, etc. (use kana in examples)

prog, eij both kana
n-grams
雪のひとひら	141
雪の一枚	1
雪の一片	23

collisions with いちまい and いっぺん

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

I based it on daijs "３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずい
もの食えるか―」「だれが言うことを聞くか―」"
but irony was probably a poor translation for "反語", maybe 
this is better?

@@ -26,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates a rhetorical question</gloss>

I'd struggle to come up with one. I see Daijisen has "こんなまずいもの食えるか", which is more commonly seen as "こんなまずいもん食えるか" - from the examples around of that passage it's anything but ironical.

Please add an example of って illustrating [3][prt]  [as かって]  indicates 
irony. I could not find one anywhere. Thank you very much.

daijs:
"３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずいもの食えるか―」「だれが言
うことを聞くか―」

４ 自分の気持ちを主張する意を表す。「そんなこと知ってる―」「わかってるよ、もう言う
な―」→たって〔接助〕"

@@ -23,0 +23,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
+<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, I understand that って can also be a sentence-final particle with a similar meaning to よ.

eij:
"「どうして先生に抗議しないの？」「そんなことしたって内申書にキズがつくだけだよ」
Why don't you protest against the teacher?" "It will only 
leave a black mark on my record."
"おい、怒鳴るのはやめろよ！そんなことしたって、この子は泣き止まないぞ。
Hey, don't yell at him. That won't make him stop crying."

Well spotted. I've preliminarily copied the gloss from the -
ば entry, though the usage seems a lot more restricted. 
Daijs doesn't gloss it as a conditional but like some kind 
of a topic marker: ”２ 相手の質問・命令・依頼などを受けて、それを話題とし
て示す意を表す。…と言われても。「今さら変更する―、急に困るね」「どうするか―、
決まってるだろ」”
Daij also have quite a few more senses (7 in daijr, 8 in 
daijs).

@@ -18,0 +18,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, my understanding is that in certain contexts ～って can signify a conditional.

Makino & Tsutsui DBJG P 510.

Since Makino & Tsutsui say it's simply a colloquial version of と, it's probably best to reference that.

@@ -14,1 +14,2 @@
-<s_inf>abbr for というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1008490">と・4</xref>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>

No change to the above.
It may help to have a cross-link with the following in order to obviate the need for a fresh search to find what the main entry is short for, i.e., [note="abbr for というのは]:-

ってのは (exp) (See って) means; is; as for

Also, with regard to the note "and other similar combinations", I am wondering whether that loose comment can be firmed up with proper links.

No comment, so I'll close this off, and add it to というのは.

I'm quite comfortable adding ってのは to the dictionary, but I suspect it should be added to the と言うのは entry rather than here.
I've been looking through the usage of ってのは and というのは in the examples in GG5 (there are quite a few of each), and I'm starting to suspect there is a different nuance with ってのは.

I did not want to amend the above, but often in text [as demonstrated by the mass of results on Google] "ってのは" is used in much the same way as the above and, in context, equals "というのは". Your [A] references also show quite a few examples. Could "ってのは" be included in this entry to assist the searcher? One piece of text which I was reading was "一人っきりってのは". Helpfully, you have the first part [一人っきり], but not the last part.

If I am in the wrong road on this one, then a correct entry would be very helpful.

Entry created

Nicholas is right in that Daijisen and Daijirin don't include this in their って entries, but instead have separate たって 
entries. We do have a たって entry for this usage likewise. Still, I think it'd be fine to keep that sense here while keeping the 
たって entry as well - I think it'd be helpful not least because I don't think somebody trying to figure out what this use of っ
て means would be very likely to find their way to the たって entry.

Marcus, this edit removes a sense you added in 2012. I notice that both your examples do have たって, and it seems to be coing from 経って. MeCab says たっ + て. Do you have a view on the proposal? I'm rather neutral - it's up the front for historical reasons.

Examples from the same sense in Daijirin 4.0:
"どうするかって、ぼくにも名案はないよ"
"早く行けって、それは無理だよ"

Regarding the "if ... then" sense. The examples given in the refs when this sense was added contain たって, not って. They're unrelated to the topical/quotational って. There's already an entry for たって.
The DJR definition given is describing the case where you raise the other person's speech as the topic and make a statement regarding it. I don't know if this needs to be explicitly defined separately from the topical/quotational usage of って.
The best I could come up with is "..., you say? (used to call something someone said into question and make a statement regarding it)".

@@ -20,5 +19,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>indicates supposition</s_inf>
-<gloss>if ... then</gloss>

https://grammarist.com/usage/said/

Actually "the said ..." was intended. Both can be found.

@@ -40,0 +41 @@
+<gloss>the said ...</gloss>

Fixed a small grammatical issue.

@@ -41 +41 @@
-<gloss>the said ...</gloss>
+<gloss>said ...</gloss>

Moved usage notes into [note]s. Was then forced to add 
glosses to sense 1, 3 and 4.
Added "satirical" to sense 3 for clarification (「こんな
まずいもの食えるかって」)
_
This entry is also a great example why I think we should 
allow for senses with only notes for glosses. (sorry for 
beating a dead horse)

@@ -16 +16,5 @@
-<gloss>casual quoting particle</gloss>
+<s_inf>casual quoting particle</s_inf>
+<gloss>you said</gloss>
+<gloss>he said</gloss>
+<gloss>she said</gloss>
+<gloss>they said</gloss>
@@ -20 +24 @@
-<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<s_inf>indicates supposition</s_inf>
@@ -25,2 +29,2 @@
-<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
-<gloss>indicates a rhetorical question</gloss>
+<s_inf>as かって; indicates a satirical or rhetorical question</s_inf>
+<gloss>do you seriously think that</gloss>
@@ -30 +34,4 @@
-<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.</gloss>
+<s_inf>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.</s_inf>
+<gloss>I already told you</gloss>
+<gloss>you should know by now that</gloss>
+<gloss>of course</gloss>

Reopening, with a few small edits.

@@ -29 +29 @@
-<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis etc.</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.</gloss>
@@ -34 +34 @@
-<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
+<gloss>the said ...</gloss>
@@ -39 +39 @@
-<gloss>says that...</gloss>
+<gloss>says that ...</gloss>
@@ -44 +44 @@
-<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
+<gloss>I hear that ...</gloss>
@@ -49,2 +49 @@
-<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
-<gloss>means</gloss>
+<gloss>as for the term ...</gloss>
@@ -54,2 +53,2 @@
-<s_inf>equiv. of は</s_inf>
-<gloss>as for (topic marker)</gloss>
+<s_inf>equiv. of は topic marker</s_inf>
+<gloss>as for ...</gloss>

Daijr, GG5

I don't mind the additional senses (GG5 has 8) but I don't think they should go in front of the ones that were there already.
Editing for style and consistency. I'll approve this, then reopen for a while.

@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-<s_inf>abbr. for と and other similar combinations</s_inf>
@@ -17,27 +15,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for という</s_inf>
-<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for と言っている</s_inf>
-<gloss>says that...</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for と聞いている</s_inf>
-<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for とは、というのは</s_inf>
-<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
-<gloss>means</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>same as は particle</s_inf>
-<gloss>as for X</gloss>
-<gloss>topic marker</gloss>
@@ -58,0 +31,26 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of という</s_inf>
+<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of と言っている</s_inf>
+<gloss>says that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of と聞いている</s_inf>
+<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of とは, というのは</s_inf>
+<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
+<gloss>means</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>equiv. of は</s_inf>
+<gloss>as for (topic marker)</gloss>
+</sense>

gg5 koj daij

It's a start.

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と and other similar combinations</s_inf>
@@ -16,0 +17,27 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for という</s_inf>
+<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と言っている</s_inf>
+<gloss>says that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と聞いている</s_inf>
+<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for とは、というのは</s_inf>
+<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
+<gloss>means</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>same as は particle</s_inf>
+<gloss>as for X</gloss>
+<gloss>topic marker</gloss>
@@ -30 +57 @@
-<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis etc.</gloss>

I based it on daijs "３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずい
もの食えるか―」「だれが言うことを聞くか―」"
but irony was probably a poor translation for "反語", maybe 
this is better?

@@ -26,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates a rhetorical question</gloss>

I'd struggle to come up with one. I see Daijisen has "こんなまずいもの食えるか", which is more commonly seen as "こんなまずいもん食えるか" - from the examples around of that passage it's anything but ironical.

Please add an example of って illustrating [3][prt]  [as かって]  indicates 
irony. I could not find one anywhere. Thank you very much.

daijs:
"３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずいもの食えるか―」「だれが言
うことを聞くか―」

４ 自分の気持ちを主張する意を表す。「そんなこと知ってる―」「わかってるよ、もう言う
な―」→たって〔接助〕"

@@ -23,0 +23,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
+<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, I understand that って can also be a sentence-final particle with a similar meaning to よ.

eij:
"「どうして先生に抗議しないの？」「そんなことしたって内申書にキズがつくだけだよ」
Why don't you protest against the teacher?" "It will only 
leave a black mark on my record."
"おい、怒鳴るのはやめろよ！そんなことしたって、この子は泣き止まないぞ。
Hey, don't yell at him. That won't make him stop crying."

Well spotted. I've preliminarily copied the gloss from the -
ば entry, though the usage seems a lot more restricted. 
Daijs doesn't gloss it as a conditional but like some kind 
of a topic marker: ”２ 相手の質問・命令・依頼などを受けて、それを話題とし
て示す意を表す。…と言われても。「今さら変更する―、急に困るね」「どうするか―、
決まってるだろ」”
Daij also have quite a few more senses (7 in daijr, 8 in 
daijs).

@@ -18,0 +18,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, my understanding is that in certain contexts ～って can signify a conditional.

Makino & Tsutsui DBJG P 510.

Since Makino & Tsutsui say it's simply a colloquial version of と, it's probably best to reference that.

@@ -14,1 +14,2 @@
-<s_inf>abbr for というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1008490">と・4</xref>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>

No change to the above.
It may help to have a cross-link with the following in order to obviate the need for a fresh search to find what the main entry is short for, i.e., [note="abbr for というのは]:-

ってのは (exp) (See って) means; is; as for

Also, with regard to the note "and other similar combinations", I am wondering whether that loose comment can be firmed up with proper links.

No comment, so I'll close this off, and add it to というのは.

I'm quite comfortable adding ってのは to the dictionary, but I suspect it should be added to the と言うのは entry rather than here.
I've been looking through the usage of ってのは and というのは in the examples in GG5 (there are quite a few of each), and I'm starting to suspect there is a different nuance with ってのは.

I did not want to amend the above, but often in text [as demonstrated by the mass of results on Google] "ってのは" is used in much the same way as the above and, in context, equals "というのは". Your [A] references also show quite a few examples. Could "ってのは" be included in this entry to assist the searcher? One piece of text which I was reading was "一人っきりってのは". Helpfully, you have the first part [一人っきり], but not the last part.

If I am in the wrong road on this one, then a correct entry would be very helpful.

Entry created

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