Only ~1000 hits for ジェラチン compared to 6 million for ゼラチン.

@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<re_inf>&ik;</re_inf>

GG5, etc.

Agree. Aligning with 2272550.

@@ -14 +14,2 @@
-<gloss>body-conscious</gloss>
+<gloss>body-conscious (look)</gloss>
+<gloss>tight-fitting (clothing)</gloss>

https://i.imgur.com/g1PMxIP.png

This entry really must include the word "clothes", or the game's line of text (when you select 見る and then 先生) makes no sense. Or am I to understand that the teacher is conscious of her own body?

OK

perhaps best just to gloss as adj-no? (e.g. as in gg5)?

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -10 +10,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -14,2 +14 @@
-<gloss>sexually flattering clothing</gloss>
-<gloss>tight-fitting clothing</gloss>
+<gloss>body-conscious</gloss>

koj, gakken

-i don't think it's wasei.  since there's an entry for ボディーコンシャス, the etymology note probably doesn't belong here anyway
-in any case, the "body-con(forming)" claim is almost certainly not right

@@ -13 +12,0 @@
-<lsource ls_wasei="y">body con(scious)</lsource>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

Doesn't fit that well.

@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-<gloss>contortion</gloss>
@@ -18,0 +18 @@
+<gloss>contortion</gloss>

eij

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<gloss>contortion</gloss>
@@ -16,0 +18 @@
+<gloss>perversion</gloss>

gg5, prog

@@ -21,0 +22 @@
+<gloss>shallow</gloss>
@@ -22,0 +24 @@
+<gloss>insincere</gloss>

gg5, prog

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>flippant</gloss>

eij

@@ -20,0 +21 @@
+<gloss>trifling</gloss>

Bulk update n-adv to n,adv
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -28 +28,2 @@
-<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>

Bulk update n-adv to n,adv
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -20 +20,2 @@
-<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>

Bulk update: Removal of n-t POS
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -21 +20,0 @@
-<pos>&n-t;</pos>
@@ -29 +27,0 @@
-<pos>&n-t;</pos>

G n-grams 826748

@@ -7,0 +8 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -15,0 +17 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

@@ -18 +18 @@
-<gloss>descendants</gloss>
+<gloss>descendant</gloss>

koj

@@ -19,0 +20,4 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1325210">主観的</xref>

eij

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>subjective</gloss>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

I was probably the source of the "adj-no". The update records don't show anything. I've gone through heaps of Googled examples of 招集の and I must say I've not found anything really adjectival. I think it can safely be dropped.
The discussion of "adj-no" in general can happen elsewhere.

Just one last thing. We define adj-no in the help file as "nouns which may take the genitive case particle `no'" but isn't that every noun? e.g. スコットの車 (non-vs)　"要求の変更" "運転の経験" (vs).

And I found someone who agrees with me!: 

"As I understand it, the term “no-adjective” simply means “nouns which are typically translated to adjectives in English and other languages.” If we treat Japanese as a language in its own right, distinguishing them from nouns as different parts-of-speech is completely artificial.

The particle の makes a modifier of a noun. The exact relationship between the modifier and the modified noun can be almost anything; Daijisen lists fourteen relationships such as ownership, belonging, location of existence, location of action, time, and so on, and one of them is “attribute and condition.”"
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/2770/so-called-の-adjectives-how-does-の-really-work

So maybe the solution is getting rid of the tag adj-no altogether.

>There's no evidence because it's impossible to provide any. I can't prove the non-existence of an [adj-no] form with a Google search - 招集の still gets plenty of hits.

I can't help pointing out that this is an example of a probatio diabolica or  悪魔の証明 which I added as an entry a few days ago ;)

Concerning the main point of the debate, I wonder if adj-no is something that's recognized by other dictionaries and defined precisely. 

There's a controversy whether "Na-adjectives" (形容動詞) even exist. According to some, they're just 名詞 (nouns). I wonder how useful adj-no is as a category, though I may be missing something. 

I find examples like: "招集の理日": the reason for the convocation, "招集の通知": the notice for the meeting, 招集の請求: the application for the meeting/convocation. But that's the kind of construction that would apply to any "vs"(ーする) noun. 

So, I wonder what defines "adj-no". Is there even such a category? 

Just some thoughts. Cheers,

The problem isn't limited to Eijiro and I want to discuss the [adj-no] tag more generally so I will be posting to the (editors) mailing list.

>> you have proposed removing something that is currently in JEdict (and eijiro) with no evidence other than the unreferenced statement "not [adj-no]".

There's no evidence because it's impossible to provide any. I can't prove the non-existence of an [adj-no] form with a Google search - 招集の still gets plenty of hits.
When the adjectival form is expressed as [noun]的 or [noun]した I point it out but here there's no adjectival form at all.

I think fellow editors understand that there's an an implicit "I searched for examples of [adj-no] usage but couldn't find any" embedded in a comment like "not [adj-no]".
I've explained my reasoning for these edits in the past and have since removed dozens of [adj-no] tags without objection.

In most cases it's self-evident these nouns don't function as adjectives and that Eijiro is the only reason the tag was added.

But I'm happy to add "[Eijiro only]" to my comments in future if it makes things clearer.

daij

@@ -9,0 +10,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>織り機</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -11,0 +15 @@
+<re_restr>織機</re_restr>

daijr, koj

@@ -15,0 +16,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>おりき</reb>
+</r_ele>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

gg5, daij

@@ -17 +17,2 @@
-<gloss>drowning</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1437590">溺死</xref>
+<gloss>death by drowning</gloss>

gg5, prog
随時	4856406
随時が	109
随時を	346

副 in daijr/s, meikyo and shinmeikai. Not seeing any examples of noun usage.

@@ -15,2 +15,2 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<gloss>whenever necessary</gloss>
@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<gloss>as required</gloss>
@@ -21,2 +22 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
@@ -23,0 +24 @@
+<gloss>at all times</gloss>

Unidic classifies as 名詞, 普通名詞, 副詞可能, -> Noun, Common Noun, Adverb-able
Wiktionary classifies as a Noun

Changed from adverb to noun and adverbial noun to be consistent with Unidic and Wiktionary

@@ -15 +15,2 @@
-<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
@@ -20 +21,2 @@
-<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&n-adv;</pos>

gg5, prog, daij, meikyo

We can simplify things a little by making 断切る sK.

@@ -10,3 +9,0 @@
-<keb>断切る</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -18,0 +16,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>断切る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -44 +45,2 @@
-<gloss>to cut apart (cloth, paper, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>to cut (cloth, paper, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>to cut off</gloss>
@@ -48 +49,0 @@
-<stagk>断切る</stagk>
@@ -52,2 +53,3 @@
-<gloss>to break off (relationship)</gloss>
-<gloss>to overcome (habit, addiction)</gloss>
+<gloss>to break off (relations)</gloss>
+<gloss>to give up (an attachment, habit, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>to stop (e.g. a vicious cycle)</gloss>
@@ -57 +58,0 @@
-<stagk>断切る</stagk>
@@ -60,3 +61,3 @@
-<gloss>to cut off (enemy's retreat)</gloss>
-<gloss>to block (road, etc.)</gloss>
-<gloss>to disconnect</gloss>
+<gloss>to cut off (a supply route, enemy's retreat, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>to block</gloss>
+<gloss>to break up (e.g. an intelligence network)</gloss>

Could be split.

〈断（ち）／截（ち）／裁（ち）／絶（ち）／たち〉〈切／き〉〈る／っ〉

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 断ち切る │ 180,874 │ 96.4% │
│ 断ちきる │   2,395 │  1.3% │ - add sK
│ 絶ち切る │   1,235 │  0.7% │ - add sK
│ 絶ちきる │     560 │  0.3% │ - sK
│ たち切る │     546 │  0.3% │ - add sK
│ 断切る　 │     237 │  0.1% │ - (daijr/s)
│ 裁ち切る │     180 │  0.1% │ - rK (gg5, daijs)
│ 裁ちきる │       0 │  0.0% │
│ 裁きる　 │       0 │  0.0% │
│ 截ち切る │       0 │  0.0% │ - rK (daijs, koj)
│ たちきる │   1,547 │  0.8% │
├─ーーーー─┼─────────┼───────┤
│ 断ち切っ │  69,727 │ 95.3% │
│ 断ちきっ │     594 │  0.8% │
│ 絶ち切っ │     735 │  1.0% │
│ 絶ちきっ │     327 │  0.4% │
│ たち切っ │     548 │  0.7% │
│ 断切っ　 │     105 │  0.1% │
│ 裁ち切っ │     188 │  0.3% │
│ 裁ちきっ │      41 │  0.1% │ - not adding
│ 裁きっ　 │      32 │  0.0% │ - not adding
│ 截ち切っ │       0 │  0.0% │
│ たちきっ │     895 │  1.2% │
╰─ーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<keb>截ち切る</keb>
+<keb>裁ち切る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -16 +17,10 @@
-<keb>裁ち切る</keb>
+<keb>截ち切る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>断ちきる</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>絶ち切る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -19,0 +30,5 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>たち切る</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

@@ -37,2 +37,2 @@
-<gloss>to break off (a relationship)</gloss>
-<gloss>to overcome (a habit, a drug)</gloss>
+<gloss>to break off (relationship)</gloss>
+<gloss>to overcome (habit, addiction)</gloss>
@@ -45,2 +45,2 @@
-<gloss>to cut off (an enemy's retreat)</gloss>
-<gloss>to block (a road, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>to cut off (enemy's retreat)</gloss>
+<gloss>to block (road, etc.)</gloss>

a little awkward

gg5, prog, ウィズダム和英辞典

All the JEs have "nature of the locality".

@@ -15,0 +16,2 @@
+<gloss>nature of the locality</gloss>
+<gloss>character of a place</gloss>

[vt]: meikyo, sankoku, etc.

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 捕捉　 │ 209,779 │ 99.0% │
│ 捕そく │   2,169 │  1.0% │ - sK
│ ほそく │  13,253 │  N/A  │
╰─ーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -15,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
@@ -23,0 +26 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

I don't think that gloss from Eijiro fits, and it certainly shouldn't go first.

@@ -19 +19 @@
-<gloss>trapping (of particles)</gloss>
+<gloss>trapping</gloss>
@@ -24 +23,0 @@
-<gloss>tracking (e.g. of gaze)</gloss>
@@ -26,0 +26 @@
+<gloss>grasp</gloss>

eij

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<gloss>trapping (of particles)</gloss>
@@ -22,0 +24 @@
+<gloss>tracking (e.g. of gaze)</gloss>

daijr

I think this is clearer.

@@ -16,0 +17,4 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2830571">裏目に出る</xref>
@@ -18 +21,0 @@
-<gloss>backfire</gloss>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 筐体　　　 │ 561,595 │ 96.0% │
│ 筺体　　　 │  13,777 │  2.4% │ 🡠 sK (rare itaiji; I only see this in jitsuyou)
│ きょう体　 │   7,271 │  1.2% │ 🡠 sK
│ きょうたい │   2,065 │  0.4% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -12,0 +14 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

daij, koj, googits

Not just any sort of case.
Not a computing term.

@@ -9 +9 @@
-<keb>きょう体</keb>
+<keb>筺体</keb>
@@ -12 +12 @@
-<keb>筺体</keb>
+<keb>きょう体</keb>
@@ -20 +20,4 @@
-<field>&comp;</field>
+<gloss>case (of a machine, computer, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>casing</gloss>
+<gloss>housing</gloss>
+<gloss>enclosure</gloss>
@@ -22,4 +24,0 @@
-<gloss>case</gloss>
-<gloss>housing</gloss>
-<gloss>component</gloss>
-<gloss>unit</gloss>
@@ -27 +26 @@
-<gloss>main frame</gloss>
+<gloss>frame</gloss>

koj, meikyo

also intransitive (takes から instead of を)

@@ -21 +20,0 @@
-<pos>&vt;</pos>
@@ -28 +26,0 @@
-<pos>&vt;</pos>

gg5, prog
ウィズダム和英辞典

The 国語s only have 1 sense; the JEs have 2.
Given the number of glosses, I think the latter approach is clearer.

@@ -22 +22,2 @@
-<gloss>to escape from</gloss>
+<gloss>to escape (disaster, death, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>to be saved from</gloss>
@@ -24,2 +25,6 @@
-<gloss>to avoid</gloss>
-<gloss>to evade</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to avoid (e.g. punishment)</gloss>
+<gloss>to evade (e.g. responsibility)</gloss>
@@ -28,3 +33 @@
-<gloss>to be exempted</gloss>
-<gloss>to be relieved from pain</gloss>
-<gloss>to get rid of</gloss>
+<gloss>to be exempted from</gloss>

Only "まぬがれる": 新和英中辞典, nikkoku, prog, Luminous, ライフサイエンス辞書
Main "まぬがれる": daijs
Only "まぬかれる": 斎藤和英大辞典
Main "まぬかれる": daijr
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1213033057 - 「世論調査の結果、『マヌガレル』と読む人が８割を超えているため」

Giving the priority tags to まぬがれる, since that's apparently more common these days.

@@ -11,1 +11,1 @@
-<reb>まぬかれる</reb>
+<reb>まぬがれる</reb>
@@ -17,1 +17,1 @@
-<reb>まぬがれる</reb>
+<reb>まぬかれる</reb>

meikyo = 3

gg5, prog, daij

Most refs have 2 senses. Daijs has 3. I think 3 works best.

@@ -19 +19 @@
-<gloss>to be divided</gloss>
+<gloss>to part (usu. of people)</gloss>
@@ -21,2 +21,15 @@
-<gloss>to separate (usu. for people)</gloss>
-<gloss>to bid farewell</gloss>
+<gloss>to part with</gloss>
+<gloss>to be apart from</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to separate (of a couple)</gloss>
+<gloss>to break up</gloss>
+<gloss>to divorce</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to lose (e.g. one's mother)</gloss>
+<gloss>to be bereaved</gloss>

@@ -21 +21 @@
-<gloss>to separate</gloss>
+<gloss>to separate (usu. for people)</gloss>

gg5 example

eij

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<gloss>public and private sector</gloss>

Daijr, Daijs, ウィズダム和英辞典

@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<gloss>government and private sector</gloss>

JEs - all have medical glosses.

Curiously the only Tanaka example is for a traffic stricture.

gg5, prog

I think it's clearer to split off the medical glosses into a separate sense.

@@ -15,0 +16,6 @@
+<gloss>contraction</gloss>
+<gloss>narrowing</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<field>&med;</field>
@@ -18 +23,0 @@
-<gloss>contraction</gloss>

@@ -13,0 +14 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -15 +15,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>

eij

@@ -17 +17,2 @@
-<gloss>uncritically</gloss>
+<gloss>uncritical</gloss>
+<gloss>blind</gloss>

gg5, prog

@@ -12 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>a reservist</gloss>
+<gloss>reservist</gloss>
+<gloss>recruit</gloss>

koj

@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>しいそん</reb>
+<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>

daij, koj

Added sense.

@@ -11,0 +12,5 @@
+<gloss>extreme reverence</gloss>
+<gloss>deeply revered person</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>

I agree too.

@@ -17,2 +16,0 @@
-<gloss>ex-serviceman</gloss>
-<gloss>veteran</gloss>

i agree.  i think 'reservist' is the correct gloss.

temp approve

daij, koj, gg5

在郷軍人 can be called up to serve and they aren't necessarily ex-servicemen. It's not a synonym of 退役軍人.
GG5 and prog do have "ex-soldier", "veteran", etc. as glosses but I think that's misleading.
Thoughts?

@@ -16,2 +16,3 @@
-<gloss>ex-soldier</gloss>
-<gloss>a veteran</gloss>
+<gloss>reservist</gloss>
+<gloss>ex-serviceman</gloss>
+<gloss>veteran</gloss>

koj, wiki

seems to predominantly refer to the defunct 帝国在郷軍人会 organization founded in 1910. is there a proper english name for this (and should it be here or in enamdict)?

gg5

As pointed out by Wikipedia: "一般的な用語としては、「退役軍人会」という言葉と混用して用いられるが、在郷軍人会は予備役にある人によって構成される"

@@ -12,2 +12 @@
-<gloss>association of veterans</gloss>
-<gloss>the American Legion</gloss>
+<gloss>association of reservists</gloss>

daijs: "袖のない洋服。袖なし。"
daijr: "袖のないこと。また，袖無しの服"

Used as a regular noun as well.
e.g. "今年はノースリーブで暑い夏を乗り切っちゃいましょう"
"夏はノースリーブが着たい！"

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -13 +14 @@
-<gloss>sleeveless</gloss>
+<gloss>sleeveless clothing</gloss>

Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ノー・スリーブ</reb>

eij

@@ -12,2 +12,2 @@
-<gloss>one's leadership (over the group)</gloss>
-<gloss>(lack) leadership qualities</gloss>
+<gloss>leadership skill</gloss>
+<gloss>leadership ability</gloss>

gg5, prog

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>veteran</gloss>

gg5

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<field>&finc;</field>

eij

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>commodity futures</gloss>
+<gloss>commodity futures trading</gloss>

eij

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>bilateral</gloss>

?

@@ -11 +11 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>

Entry created

Almost as many hits. GG5, ルミナス (both mention tight-fitting and ~な.

@@ -7,0 +8,3 @@
+<reb>ボディコンシャス</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -9,0 +13,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ボディ・コンシャス</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -10,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -12 +18,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -15 +21,2 @@
-<gloss>body-conscious</gloss>
+<gloss>body-conscious (look)</gloss>
+<gloss>tight-fitting (clothing)</gloss>

not wasei in koj, daij, shinmeikai, etc.

see comments on ボディコン.  probably not wasei

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -17,2 +18 @@
-<lsource ls_wasei="y">body conscious</lsource>
-<gloss>sexually flattering clothing</gloss>
+<gloss>body-conscious</gloss>

Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.Added additional dotted reading(s) via batch update.
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ボディー・コンシャス</reb>

gg5 koj daijs

I don't think it's [vs].
[vs] hits are minuscule compared to the total, suggesting it's a misuse.
Compare with 水死, 絞首, etc.

@@ -12 +11,0 @@
-<pos>&vs;</pos>

gg5 daijs
several web hits for 絞死する

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>suicide by strangulation</gloss>

gg5
daijs (絞死): "自殺（自絞死）も稀にある"

gg5, daij, koj

gg5, daij, koj

Not sure on the gloss.
Didn't want to copy GG5 exactly.

already an entry

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/srch/all/割材/m1u/

Came across this usage in a translation of supermarket/shop product sections. 
The term followed a list of different alcohol, so the Sanseido definition appears to 
be the correct one in context.