I agree.

GG5, ルミナス

I didn't notice this when last year's split happened, but all 28 Tatoeba sentences using 仮に are for the supposing/even-if sense. I see ルミナス leads with that sense, and I propose to reverse them to match what seems to be the more common usage.

@@ -17,0 +18,7 @@
+<gloss>supposing</gloss>
+<gloss>even if</gloss>
+<gloss>granting that</gloss>
+<gloss>for argument's sake</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
@@ -22,5 +28,0 @@
-<sense>
-<pos>&adv;</pos>
-<gloss>supposing</gloss>
-<gloss>for argument's sake</gloss>
-</sense>

GG5

Agreed

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>for the time being</gloss>
@@ -22,0 +24 @@
+<gloss>supposing</gloss>

daijs

split

I don't think "for example" is a good gloss. "suppose" or "hypothetically speaking" might be better.

@@ -20 +20,3 @@
-<gloss>for example</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>

gg5, prog

I think this is better with noun glosses.

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -18 +18,0 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -21 +21,2 @@
-<gloss>over-</gloss>
+<gloss>superabundance</gloss>
+<gloss>overabundance</gloss>

GG5

@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>surplus</gloss>

GG5, etc.

I've added a few more.

@@ -41,0 +42,15 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to fall below</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to discount</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to step over (a line, etc.)</gloss>
+</sense>

daijs has 17 senses, daijr 10, prog 11, gg5 8 but some are clearly idiomatic (e.g. 口を割る/腹を割る).

prog distinguishes 割り算をする and 分割する but gg5 doesn't. It's hard to say is this necessary or not.

I just split the existing glosses, but we should probably add more senses.

@@ -19,0 +20,4 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
@@ -21 +24,0 @@
-<gloss>to break</gloss>
@@ -25,0 +29,5 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to break</gloss>
@@ -27,0 +36,4 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

@@ -19 +19 @@
-<gloss>product that takes advantage of a craze</gloss>
+<gloss>product latching onto a craze</gloss>

gg5, prog, daij

Probably better as three senses.

@@ -17,2 +16,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
-<gloss>item of short-lived interest</gloss>
@@ -20,2 +18,8 @@
-<gloss>ephemeral work</gloss>
-<gloss>topical writing</gloss>
+<gloss>vogue merchandise</gloss>
+<gloss>product that takes advantage of a craze</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>novel, film, play, etc. dealing with recent events or trends</gloss>
+<gloss>work of ephemeral interest</gloss>
+<gloss>writings of passing interest</gloss>

daijr/s, GG5

Added sense.
The 国語s have 3 senses but I decided to combine the last 2.

@@ -11,0 +12,5 @@
+<gloss>seasonal goods</gloss>
+<gloss>seasonal items</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -13,2 +18,4 @@
-<gloss>seasonal articles</gloss>
-<gloss>temporary</gloss>
+<gloss>item of short-lived interest</gloss>
+<gloss>faddish product</gloss>
+<gloss>ephemeral work</gloss>
+<gloss>topical writing</gloss>

GG5

I don't think the note is necessary.
The GG5 examples use 獲得.

@@ -22 +21,0 @@
-<s_inf>usu. as 市民権を得る</s_inf>
@@ -23,0 +23 @@
+<gloss>social recognition</gloss>

daijr/s
研究社 新和英中辞典

Could possibly have a separate entry for 市民権を得る.

@@ -19,0 +20,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>usu. as 市民権を得る</s_inf>
+<gloss>widespread acceptance</gloss>
+<gloss>common use</gloss>
+</sense>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

GG5

For cases like "生徒をよく掌握している".

@@ -19,0 +20,2 @@
+<gloss>commanding</gloss>
+<gloss>having control over</gloss>

Broaden, I think.

@@ -32 +32 @@
-<gloss>to hijack (a vehicle)</gloss>
+<gloss>to hijack (vehicle, account, etc.)</gloss>

This is also used to mean "hijacking (a social media, etc. account)" aka "my twitter was hacked". Should we 
include this as a separate tense, or make sense 2 broader? Or just leave it out?

GG5, prog, daijr/s

Most of the refs have a separate hijack sense.
I think we should do this as well, to show that the word isn't just being used figuratively.

@@ -21,0 +22 @@
+<gloss>to take over</gloss>
@@ -23 +24 @@
-<gloss>to hijack</gloss>
+<gloss>to seize</gloss>
@@ -27,0 +29,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to hijack (a vehicle)</gloss>
+</sense>

Certainly not within the dictionary. It would be stretching things to have conjugations listed separately. In a morphologically heavy language like Japanese, where most of the verbs are very regular, I can't see any need for it.
I could potentially do it in WWWJDIC, but I have chosen not to. The exception is in the Text Glossing, where it is done by invoking rules. If you put in "乗っ取れる", it says:
Possible inflected verb or adjective: (potential or imperative)
乗っ取る 乗っ取る(P); 乗っとる 【のっとる】 (v5r,vt) to capture ...
I think that's about as far as one can go.

plenty of web hits

@@ -8,0 +9,6 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ま向かい</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>ま向い</keb>

GG5, prog

Clearer.
真向い not irregular.

@@ -9 +8,0 @@
-<ke_inf>&io;</ke_inf>
@@ -15,0 +15,4 @@
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<gloss>right opposite</gloss>
+<gloss>directly across</gloss>
+<gloss>just in front of</gloss>
@@ -17,4 +19,0 @@
-<gloss>facing</gloss>
-<gloss>straight ahead</gloss>
-<gloss>just in front of</gloss>
-<gloss>directly opposite</gloss>

daijr/s, GG5

@@ -5,0 +6,6 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>倒れ臥す</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>倒れふす</keb>
@@ -13 +19,2 @@
-<gloss>to fall down</gloss>
+<gloss>to fall flat</gloss>
+<gloss>to fall face down</gloss>

see: 1602650

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

I think so.

Since づ and ず are pronounced the same way, can we do this?

@@ -10,3 +9,0 @@
-<keb>道づれ</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -15,0 +13,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>道づれ</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -18,2 +18,0 @@
-<re_restr>道連れ</re_restr>
-<re_restr>道づれ</re_restr>
@@ -25,3 +24 @@
-<re_restr>道連れ</re_restr>
-<re_restr>道ずれ</re_restr>
-<re_inf>&ik;</re_inf>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>

Meikyo: 「道ずれ」と書くのは誤り。

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 道連れ　　　　 │ 164,786 │ 77.5% │
│ 道づれ　　　　 │  20,476 │  9.6% │
│ 道ずれ　　　　 │  10,328 │  4.9% │ - add, ik
│ みちづれ　　　 │  14,831 │  7.0% │
│ みちずれ　　　 │   2,160 │  1.0% │ - add, ik
├─ーーーーーーー─┼─────────┼───────┤
│ 道連れにする　 │   7,615 │ 89.4% │
│ 道づれにする　 │     384 │  4.5% │
│ 道ずれにする　 │     496 │  5.8% │
│ みちづれにする │       0 │  0.0% │
│ みちずれにする │      27 │  0.3% │
╰─ーーーーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -11,0 +12,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>道ずれ</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ik;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -13,0 +18,2 @@
+<re_restr>道連れ</re_restr>
+<re_restr>道づれ</re_restr>
@@ -15,0 +22,6 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>みちずれ</reb>
+<re_restr>道連れ</re_restr>
+<re_restr>道ずれ</re_restr>
+<re_inf>&ik;</re_inf>

Curious bug that one.

I didn't touch the x-ref...

@@ -24,0 +25 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2202050">道連れにする</xref>

GG5

Removed noun glosses.

@@ -18,2 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>disability</gloss>
-<gloss>incompetence</gloss>
+<gloss>helpless</gloss>
+<gloss>incompetent</gloss>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

GG5, prog

@@ -16,0 +17,3 @@
+<gloss>betrayal</gloss>
+<gloss>defection</gloss>
+<gloss>treachery</gloss>
@@ -18 +20,0 @@
-<gloss>betrayal</gloss>

mk

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
@@ -20,0 +22 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

prog

Moved x-ref.
Don't agree with "enthusiasm".

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1270630">ご鞭撻</xref>
@@ -14 +14,0 @@
-<gloss>enthusiasm</gloss>
@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+<gloss>spurring on</gloss>
@@ -20 +20,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1270630">ご鞭撻</xref>

@@ -21,1 +21,1 @@
-<gloss>to chastise by whipping</gloss>
+<gloss>chastising by whipping</gloss>

daij

@@ -13,1 +13,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1270630">ご鞭撻</xref>
@@ -18,0 +17,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1270630">ご鞭撻</xref>
+<gloss>to chastise by whipping</gloss>
+</sense>

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮
│ 烙印　　 │ 118,974 │ 98.5% │
│ らく印　 │   1,728 │  1.4% │ 🡠 sK
│ ラク印　 │      58 │  0.0% │
│ らくいん │   1,527 │  N/A  │
╰─ーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20180117-00000037-jij_afp-socc
G n-grams:
烙印	118974
らく印	1728

Saw it in the article above.

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>らく印</keb>

I don't think it's the iron, except as a possible abbreviation.

@@ -14 +13,0 @@
-<gloss>branding iron</gloss>

Koj gives the transitivity.

I don't know of any other dictionary which has transitivity tags to use as a reference but this verb is clearly intransitive.

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
@@ -17,0 +19 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -16,0 +17 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

@@ -17 +17 @@
-<gloss>washed away</gloss>
+<gloss>being washed away</gloss>

The 後 variants probably only apply to the 1st sense.

@@ -29,0 +30,2 @@
+<gloss>to tail</gloss>
+<gloss>to shadow</gloss>
@@ -34,0 +37 @@
+<gloss>to leave footprints</gloss>

googits

@@ -8,0 +9,4 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>後をつける</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>

koj, daijr, daijs, gg5

@@ -5,0 +5,6 @@
+<keb>跡をつける</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>跡を付ける</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -6,0 +12,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
@@ -9,0 +16,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
@@ -19,0 +27,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<gloss>to leave tracks</gloss>
+</sense>

GG5 has 例え話. I don't think it's ik.

譬え話	3222
たとえ話	64573
譬話	786
例え話	53260
タトエ話	79

but daijs etc. only have 譬え話 (found only 
one entry (daijs+) containing 例え話). is 
例え ik with this meaning?

@@ -3,0 +4,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>たとえ話</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>例え話</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,3 +13,0 @@
-<keb>たとえ話</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -12,3 +14,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>例え話</keb>

GG5

On raw Googits this is more common than 譬え話, but GG5 is the only ref that has it.

@@ -12,0 +13,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>例え話</keb>
+</k_ele>

daijr/s
examples: "日本経済の潮目を読む"
          "歴史の潮目が来ている"

Added sense.

@@ -14,0 +15,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>course of things</gloss>
+<gloss>turning point</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -13,1 +13,1 @@
-<gloss>line where two ocean currents</gloss>
+<gloss>line where two ocean currents meet</gloss>

googits

@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>啜り泣き</keb>
+<keb>すすり泣き</keb>
@@ -8 +8 @@
-<keb>すすり泣き</keb>
+<keb>啜り泣き</keb>
@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<pos>&vs;</pos>

Daijr, ルミナス

@@ -9,2 +9,2 @@
-<field>&comp;</field>
-<gloss>BOW</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1392020">船首・せんしゅ</xref>
+<gloss>bow (of boat)</gloss>

Not sure what it could be (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOW)

Entry created

closing

Whoops.

http://nihongo.monash.edu/index.html

Mislav, we do have an engineer here

In that case, it's worth noting that 536 of these already got removed, and usually the reason was low number of google hits which was interpreted as the term being "edictism". There may have been false positives, since many of these terms are so obscure even googling the term in english gives couple dozens of hits. In this case we have 65 google hits for term "return to zero recording", mostly dictionaries and a couple of legit hits: a patent from 50s and couple of engineering papers from the late 50s/early 60s.


It would be great if we had an engineer here who could help us with this matter.

Except where they are plain wrong I'm reluctant to turf out all these oldish computer/comms terms. Many came from a collection I'd called "compdic" which had been compiled from several Japanese sources, including a major JIS standard on terminology. A lot covered the pre-Internet OSI communications terminology, which not surprisingly has never made it into the WWW to a significant extent. In 2008, after quite a bit of discussion, we decided to roll all of "compdic" into JMdict and prune/edit as necessary. We've been doing that, but I think holding old terms is a good idea, and too much of a "low-WWW hits, therefore delete" policy diminishes the value of it all.

Aligning.

@@ -15 +15,2 @@
-<gloss>unable to pick up on the mood of a conversation</gloss>
+<gloss>unable to pick up on the mood (e.g. of a conversation)</gloss>
+<gloss>unable to read the room</gloss>

I don't think the e.g. helps much, and it make the entry rather long.

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<gloss>unable to pick up on the mood of a conversation (e.g. A and B are complaining about C, and D joins the conversation praising C)</gloss>
+<gloss>unable to pick up on the mood of a conversation</gloss>

see: 2406750

@@ -14,2 +14,2 @@
-<gloss>to be unable to read the situation</gloss>
-<gloss>to be unable to pick up on the mood of a conversation (e.g. A and B are complaining about C, and D joins the conversation praising C)</gloss>
+<gloss>unable to read the situation</gloss>
+<gloss>unable to pick up on the mood of a conversation (e.g. A and B are complaining about C, and D joins the conversation praising C)</gloss>

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<pos>&adj-i;</pos>

This looks fine.

Daijr, Koj

Not really sure this is needed.

@@ -12 +12,9 @@
-<gloss>a promise especially a wedding vow</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1168650">因みに・ちなみに</xref>
+<gloss>association</gloss>
+<gloss>link</gloss>
+<gloss>connection</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>pledge (esp. for marriage)</gloss>
+<gloss>promise</gloss>

GG5, daijs, koj

GG5

Worth adding as it's not really applied to a person renting a house.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>occupying forces</gloss>

GG5

GG5

Koj, Daijr, GG5

Koj, Daijr, GG5, 中辞典

Often as 多党化 or 多党制.

daijr

@@ -16 +16 @@
-<gloss>to wear out and discard</gloss>
+<gloss>to wear out (shoes or socks) and discard</gloss>
@@ -21,2 +21 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1416390">脱ぎ捨てる・ぬぎすてる・1</xref>
-<gloss>to kick off (e.g. shoes)</gloss>
+<gloss>to kick off (shoes)</gloss>

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
@@ -18,0 +20 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

Daijr, Koj, GG5

GG5 (新和英大辞典第５版) has an entry for パソ通 which simply poinst to its パソコン通信 entry, which is what it does for abbreviations. That entry simply has "online communications", which I agree is a bit vague.

We try and keep the entries for the full term and abbreviations aligned. I'm changing this to match the latest for パソコン通信. I think the pre-Internet additions should make it clearer.
The original "online correspondence" didn't mean much to me, and I worked in communications right through those periods.

@@ -15 +15,2 @@
-<gloss>personal computer communications</gloss>
+<gloss>personal computer communications (esp. pre-Internet)</gloss>
+<gloss>pre-Internet online service</gloss>

Sample 1:

Situation: The Main Character is at an airport waiting for a friend to arrive. He is talking to himself - explaining things to the player. The friend's name is ピリル.

え？なんでそんな会ったこともない外国の女の子と友達になったかって？

そいつは、つまりパソコン通信で知り合いになったからだ。パソ通ってヤツだね。もっちろん！おれは英語も赤点、国語すらダメっぴーの立派な現代ッコだ。

したがって、トーゼン天才のピリルが日本語で通信してくれたわけだけどね。

Sample 2:
ピリルが日本に来るってパソ通で言って来たのは、ほんの２日前のことだった。

Sample 3:

Situation: The main character has just met the girl. This is the girl's line.

「はじめまして。たくさんパソ通じゃお話ししたけど、お会いするのは初めてね。」

Forgive me for butting back in, but I noticed that you changed the translation I gave. Which is fine, but the way it turned out looks frankly speaking highly ambiguous. If I saw such a translation, I would not know what it might refer to.

I gathered three samples I saw in the game. They are quoted above.

The game does not elaborate more than that, but it is clear that this word is used to mean some sort of online pen-pal method.

If I search Google, I find many references to the word パソ通時代 which I believe might be analog to the English phrase "in the BBS days", and perhaps insinuates that this パソコン通信 thing existed before the popularization of the World Wide Web.

In my searches, I also fond these two URLs on the difference of パソコン通信 and Internet:

https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1447710624
http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/パソコン通信

I am too young to have properly experienced the pre-WWW days personally so these are just guesses. I hope this is helpful.

Seems still in use. Aligning.

@@ -12 +12,5 @@
-<gloss>computer correspondence</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1101580">パソコン通信</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1101580">パソコン通信</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>online communications</gloss>
+<gloss>personal computer communications</gloss>

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パソ通

Encountered word in a 1992 PC game, maybe is a dated word.
Shortening of パソコン通信