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+<gloss>to plead</gloss>

koj suggests it may be ateji

OK, I'm proposing a split. It will be consistent with our treatment of ねだり and ゆすり, which are separate entries.
There are some odd things: only ねだる is in the Ichiman (ichi1) set, only ゆする is in GG5 and my other JEs. The 10 examples in Tanaka are all of ねだる.

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-<r_ele>
-<reb>ゆする</reb>
-</r_ele>
@@ -16 +12,0 @@
-<stagr>ねだる</stagr>
@@ -26,9 +21,0 @@
-<sense>
-<pos>&v5r;</pos>
-<pos>&vt;</pos>
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<s_inf>usu. ゆする</s_inf>
-<gloss>to solicit</gloss>
-<gloss>to demand</gloss>
-<gloss>to extort</gloss>
-</sense>

Reopening for consideration of a split into ねだる - sense 1 and ゆする sense 2.

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@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>LSD</gloss>
+<gloss>psychedelic</gloss>

E-DIC, jwiki

@@ -12 +12 @@
-<gloss>public relations office</gloss>
+<gloss>public relations officer</gloss>

@@ -21 +21 @@
-<s_inf>original meaning</s_inf>
+<s_inf>orig. meaning</s_inf>

daijs, daijr
http://www.weblio.jp/content/双璧をなす
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/双璧をなす

the expression is 双璧を成す (なす), over a third of the n-grams
can anyone submit it as a new entry? I can't form a coherent gloss for it with what I have...

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-<gloss>matchless things</gloss>
-<gloss>matchless people</gloss>
+<gloss>(two) matchless things</gloss>
+<gloss>(two) matchless people</gloss>

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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>双壁</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
@@ -12,1 +16,0 @@
-<gloss>pair of bright jewels</gloss>
@@ -16,0 +19,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<s_inf>original meaning</s_inf>
+<gloss>pair of bright jewels</gloss>
+</sense>

making sense 1 more noun-like.

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-<gloss>uniform</gloss>
-<gloss>matching</gloss>
+<gloss>uniform collection</gloss>
+<gloss>matching items</gloss>

daijr, daijs, prog

Examples of adjectival usage:
洋服とそろいの帽子をかぶっていた
そろいのブレザーで練り歩いた

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+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
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+<gloss>matching</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>
+<s_inf>Often as ぞろい</s_inf>
+<gloss>entirely</gloss>
+<gloss>all</gloss>
+<gloss>every one</gloss>
+<gloss>nothing but</gloss>

gg5, prog, ウィズダム, daij

adv is fine. All the kokugos have an adverb sense.

@@ -17 +17 @@
-<pos>&n-adv;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
@@ -19 +19,2 @@
-<gloss>more or less</gloss>
+<gloss>a little</gloss>
+<gloss>some</gloss>
@@ -21,3 +22,3 @@
-<gloss>a little</gloss>
-<gloss>a few</gloss>
-<gloss>some</gloss>
+<gloss>slightly</gloss>
+<gloss>to some degree</gloss>
+<gloss>to some extent</gloss>
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+<gloss>number</gloss>

Unidic classifies as 名詞, 普通名詞, 副詞可能, -> Noun, Common Noun, Adverb-able

Changed adverb to adverbial noun

@@ -17 +17 @@
-<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&n-adv;</pos>

I guess so.

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+<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -15,0 +17 @@
+<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>

Daijr, Daijs
http://yourei.jp/独得
KM n-grams:
独得の	834
独得な	148

Most instances of 独得 seem to match the first sense so I think it makes sense to combine 1610520 with this entry. Others might disagree.

I'm really struggling on the translation for the second sense (which applies to 独得 only). The original gloss, "learning by oneself", doesn't cut it in my opinion.

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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>独得</keb>
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+<sense>
+<stagk>独得</stagk>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<gloss>understood only by oneself</gloss>
+</sense>

Daijr, Google

Definitely a person.

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-<gloss>press office</gloss>
-<gloss>spokesperson</gloss>
+<gloss>press officer</gloss>
+<gloss>press secretary</gloss>

prog, E-DIC
KM n-grams:
無毒の	184
無毒な	144

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+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -13 +14 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1541550">有毒・ゆうどく</xref>
@@ -14,0 +16,2 @@
+<gloss>nontoxic</gloss>
+<gloss>harmless</gloss>

@@ -19 +19,4 @@
-<gloss>harmfulness</gloss>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1611870">無害・むがい</xref>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1611870">無害・むがい</xref>
+<gloss>harmful</gloss>
+<gloss>hazardous</gloss>

Makes much more sense to have an adjective gloss, in my view.

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+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -19,2 +20,2 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
-<gloss>harmlessness</gloss>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1541140">有害・ゆうがい</xref>
+<gloss>harmless</gloss>

Improved the glosses a bit.

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<gloss>harmless to man and beast</gloss>
+<gloss>harmless to humans and animals</gloss>
@@ -22 +22 @@
-<gloss>inconsequential</gloss>
+<gloss>having no influence</gloss>
@@ -24,0 +25 @@
+<gloss>harmless</gloss>

daijr/s
KM n-grams:
人畜無害な	399
人畜無害の	222

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+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -14,0 +17,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&yoji;</misc>
+<gloss>inconsequential</gloss>
+<gloss>unimportant</gloss>
+<gloss>insignificant</gloss>
+</sense>

Kanji Haitani list

Adding yoji tagAdding yoji tag
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

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+<misc>&yoji;</misc>

Bulk addition of vi and vt from Meikyo
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

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+<pos>&vt;</pos>

gg5, eij

also means "renewal" (e.g., urban renewal)

@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-<lsource xml:lang="eng">renewal</lsource>
@@ -20,0 +20 @@
+<gloss>renewal</gloss>

I think this is helpful given that the word doesn't appear as a gloss.

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<lsource xml:lang="eng">renewal</lsource>

n-grams

@@ -6,0 +7,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>リニュアル</reb>
+<re_inf>&ik;</re_inf>

GG5

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+<gloss>sake offered to someone</gloss>

daijs, daijr, n-grams
gloss unclear but I'm not sure how to improve. daijs says 祝儀などの際に

@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>振る舞い酒</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,0 +12,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>振舞酒</keb>

Daijr, Daijs

I think these glosses better capture the emphatic nature of the expression.

@@ -12 +12,3 @@
-<gloss>every one of</gloss>
+<gloss>each and every one of them</gloss>
+<gloss>every last one of them</gloss>
+<gloss>all a bunch of</gloss>

eij

common enough collocation that i think it can stay

a+b

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+<pos>&exp;</pos>

http://eow.alc.co.jp/勝るとも劣らない/UTF-8/?ref=sa
http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch?enc=UTF-8&p=勝るとも劣らない&dtype=0&dname=0na&stype=0&pagenum=1&index=21138922260600

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>勝るとも劣らない</keb>
@@ -13,0 +16,2 @@
+<gloss>rival or surpass</gloss>
+<gloss>compare favorably (with)</gloss>

We don't use transitivity tags on expressions. Only the verb part (取る in this case) can be described as transitive.

@@ -16 +15,0 @@
-<pos>&vt;</pos>

手玉にとる	5428
を手玉にとる	4513
に手玉にとる	87
で手玉にとる	60
と手玉にとる	49
が手玉にとる	21

@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+<pos>&vt;</pos>

gg5, prog, luminous

@@ -16 +16,3 @@
-<gloss>to lead someone around by the nose</gloss>
+<misc>&id;</misc>
+<gloss>to lead (someone) by the nose</gloss>
+<gloss>to twist (someone) around one's little finger</gloss>

A+B.
I've added a sense for this usage to the 平行線 entry.

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+<pos>&v5r-i;</pos>

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31 hits; 1 not from here.

Can't find anything.

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i don't think it's worth keeping really.  it's not a "word"

Ah. I knew you'd be familiar with a lot of this old computer lingo. That's actually a good argument in favour of keeping it with an explanation.

I also wanted to bring to your attention the fact that this page: http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/databaseupdates.html
is no longer being updated. I don't know if you want to keep it or not, but it's still there. The date selector stops at 2015.

fj  = "from Japan".
The Usenet groups originating in Japan all started with "fj". I used to frequent "fj.life.in-japan", AKA "flij". Ah, those were the days. In early 2001 we even had a flij outing to Yokohama, and a dinner in Roppongi. I've still got some pictures.

not sure what that is

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No, it refers to the earliest Pentium III.

National park?

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+<gloss>Serial ATA</gloss>
+<gloss>SATA</gloss>

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I agree.

Seems superfluous.

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http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/スター型配線リング・ネットワーク
Denshi glossary

I found valid hits for this, as well as it being in a couple of glossaries.

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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>スター型配線リングネットワーク</keb>
@@ -13,2 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>star</gloss>
-<gloss>ring network</gloss>
+<misc>&obsc;</misc>
+<gloss>star-ring network</gloss>

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Rather obsolete now.

1 or 2 legit links, but needed?

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Needed?

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4 real Google hits.

Harmless. Refers to something from the 70s, so not surprising it doesn't appear much in WWW pages.

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http://nihongo.monash.edu/index.html

Mislav, we do have an engineer here

In that case, it's worth noting that 536 of these already got removed, and usually the reason was low number of google hits which was interpreted as the term being "edictism". There may have been false positives, since many of these terms are so obscure even googling the term in english gives couple dozens of hits. In this case we have 65 google hits for term "return to zero recording", mostly dictionaries and a couple of legit hits: a patent from 50s and couple of engineering papers from the late 50s/early 60s.


It would be great if we had an engineer here who could help us with this matter.

Except where they are plain wrong I'm reluctant to turf out all these oldish computer/comms terms. Many came from a collection I'd called "compdic" which had been compiled from several Japanese sources, including a major JIS standard on terminology. A lot covered the pre-Internet OSI communications terminology, which not surprisingly has never made it into the WWW to a significant extent. In 2008, after quite a bit of discussion, we decided to roll all of "compdic" into JMdict and prune/edit as necessary. We've been doing that, but I think holding old terms is a good idea, and too much of a "low-WWW hits, therefore delete" policy diminishes the value of it all.

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G n-grams:
多機能の	19837
多機能な	150678

Not really a computing term.

@@ -11,2 +11,2 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<field>&comp;</field>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>multifunction, multipurpose</gloss>
+<gloss>multifunction</gloss>
+<gloss>multipurpose</gloss>

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@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>第四世代言語</keb>
@@ -13 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>fourth generation language (4GL)</gloss>
+<gloss>fourth generation language</gloss>
+<gloss>4GL</gloss>

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https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/第五世代コンピュータ
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Generation_Computer_Systems

"The Fifth Generation Computer Systems (FGCS; Japanese: 第五世代コンピュータ, romanized: daigosedai konpyūta) was a 10-year initiative begun in 1982 by Japan's Ministry of International Trade and Industry (MITI) to create computers using massively parallel computing and logic programming."

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーーーーーーーーー─┬───────┬───────╮
│ 第五世代コンピュータ　　　 │ 2,323 │ 89.7% │
│ 第五世代コンピューター　　 │   266 │ 10.3% │
│ だいごせだいコンピュータ　 │     0 │  0.0% │
│ だいごせだいコンピューター │     0 │  0.0% │
╰─ーーーーーーーーーーーーー─┴───────┴───────╯

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-<k_ele>
-<keb>第５世代コンピュータ</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -11 +8,2 @@
-<keb>第５世代コンピューター</keb>
+<keb>第５世代コンピュータ</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -14,0 +13,5 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>第５世代コンピューター</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -18,7 +20,0 @@
-<re_restr>第５世代コンピュータ</re_restr>
-<re_restr>第五世代コンピュータ</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>だいごせだいコンピューター</reb>
-<re_restr>第５世代コンピューター</re_restr>
-<re_restr>第五世代コンピューター</re_restr>
@@ -28,0 +25 @@
+<misc>&hist;</misc>

@@ -17,0 +18,7 @@
+<re_restr>第５世代コンピュータ</re_restr>
+<re_restr>第五世代コンピュータ</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>だいごせだいコンピューター</reb>
+<re_restr>第５世代コンピューター</re_restr>
+<re_restr>第五世代コンピューター</re_restr>

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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>第５世代コンピューター</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>第五世代コンピューター</keb>

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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>第五世代コンピュータ</keb>

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リーダーズ+プラス

Harmless.

排他的論理和 is already an entry. Seems redundant.

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G n-grams:

若気る	78
にやける	24144
ニヤける	15865

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+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ニヤける</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>

prog has kana
n-grams (zero hits for kanji form)

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+<misc>&uk;</misc>

restored lost xref

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+<xref type="see" seq="2831977">α-メチルトリプタミン・アルファメチルトリプタミン</xref>

The glosses in jmdict only use characters from the following Unicode blocks:
    U+0000 - U+007F 	Basic Latin
    U+0080 - U+00FF 	Latin-1 Supplement
    U+0100 - U+017F 	Latin Extended-A
With one exception, this entry.
Time to fix that.

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+<xref type="see" seq="2831977">α-メチルトリプタミン・アルファメチルトリプタミン</xref>
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-<gloss>α-methyltryptamine</gloss>
@@ -14 +13,0 @@
-<gloss>αMT</gloss>

Daijr (has the regular English meaning: 日帰り旅行者。)

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+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>daytripper</gloss>
+</sense>

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+<r_ele>
+<reb>ロコ・ガール</reb>
+</r_ele>
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+<xref type="see" seq="2831261">ロコ</xref>

http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q10
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http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14
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GG5, etc.

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wiktionary

daijr/s

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-<ent_seq>2292390</ent_seq>
-<ent_corp>jmdict</ent_corp>
+<ent_corp>jmnedict</ent_corp>
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-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<field>&comp;</field>
+<misc>&company;</misc>

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/netscape-to-acquire-kiva-software-77680412.html

Seems like they were acquired by Netscape. Not sure if still relevant.

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-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

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+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

Ancient memories.

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-<gloss>WordStar (word processor for microcomputers)</gloss>
+<gloss>WordStar (word processor application)</gloss>

ワードスター	318

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WordStar

Moving to names dictionary.

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-<ent_seq>2339920</ent_seq>
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-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<field>&comp;</field>
-<gloss>WordStar (word processor popular during the 1980s)</gloss>
+<misc>&product;</misc>
+<gloss>WordStar (word processor for microcomputers)</gloss>