I think the whole discussion whether  やばい, ヤバい and ヤバイ are the same PoS or not is slightly ridiculous.
It is like asking whether "risky" and "RISKY" are the same PoS.

I'll do that to get it out of the way. Could move it later.

@@ -9,0 +10,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ヤバイ</reb>

I would have preferred not to include it all, but it is too common to be ignored. Just add it here. It is the *same* word as やばい/ヤバい, just a different surface form, so we can regard it as [adj-i].

G n-grams:
やばい	3333598
ヤバい	575038
ヤバイ	1948971

Is it possible to work ヤバイ in here somewhere. The problem is that it doesn't inflect like a real adj-i. A possibility is to make a separate entry for it. (It's not the apricot やばい.)

ngrams
やばい	3333598
ヤバい	575038

maybe worth recording

@@ -7,0 +8,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ヤバい</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -10 +13 @@
-<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<misc>&col;</misc>

if the "young person's" part is needed, it should be in a note

@@ -16,1 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>awful (young persons' slang)</gloss>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>awful</gloss>
@@ -22,1 +23,2 @@
-<gloss>terrific (young persons' slang)</gloss>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>terrific</gloss>

嗚呼	665469 not quite rK
ああ	18788680
あー	9061462
嗚呼	665469
噫	4726
嗟	4403
於乎	116
於戯	53 
嗟乎	134
嗟夫	No matches removing
吁	593

@@ -7 +6,0 @@
-<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -11,0 +11 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -15,0 +16,21 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>於乎</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>於戯</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>嗟乎</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>吁</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -45 +65,0 @@
-<s_inf>also written as 於乎, 於戯, 嗟乎, 嗟夫, 吁, etc.</s_inf>

https://furigana.info/w/嗚呼#2b088b95
https://furigana.info/w/噫
https://furigana.info/w/嗟

@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -26,0 +28 @@
+<re_nokanji/>

I've moved it to 3, to limit reindexing of sentences.

@@ -57,0 +58,8 @@
+<s_inf>in exasperation</s_inf>
+<gloss>aah</gloss>
+<gloss>gah</gloss>
+<gloss>argh</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&int;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -69,8 +76,0 @@
-<sense>
-<pos>&int;</pos>
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<s_inf>in exasperation</s_inf>
-<gloss>aah</gloss>
-<gloss>gah</gloss>
-<gloss>argh</gloss>
-</sense>

https://www.daily.co.jp/gossip/2018/05/23/0011283626.shtml
"「涙が出てきた。彼に対する不憫な想いなのか。それとも我が母校への腹立たしさなのか。あー。くそ」"

Should probably be higher up (possibly in 2nd place)?

@@ -68,0 +69,8 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&int;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<s_inf>in exasperation</s_inf>
+<gloss>aah</gloss>
+<gloss>gah</gloss>
+<gloss>argh</gloss>
+</sense>

plenty of exampes on the web

covering all possibilites

@@ -35,0 +36,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>アァ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>

@@ -40,3 +40,3 @@
-<gloss>Ah!</gloss>
-<gloss>Oh!</gloss>
-<gloss>Alas!</gloss>
+<gloss>ah!</gloss>
+<gloss>oh!</gloss>
+<gloss>alas!</gloss>
@@ -47,3 +47,3 @@
-<gloss>Yes</gloss>
-<gloss>Indeed</gloss>
-<gloss>That is correct</gloss>
+<gloss>yes</gloss>
+<gloss>indeed</gloss>
+<gloss>that is correct</gloss>
@@ -54,2 +54,2 @@
-<gloss>Hey!</gloss>
-<gloss>Yo!</gloss>
+<gloss>hey!</gloss>
+<gloss>yo!</gloss>
@@ -60,4 +60,4 @@
-<gloss>Uh huh</gloss>
-<gloss>Yeah yeah</gloss>
-<gloss>Right</gloss>
-<gloss>Gotcha</gloss>
+<gloss>uh huh</gloss>
+<gloss>yeah yeah</gloss>
+<gloss>right</gloss>
+<gloss>gotcha</gloss>

6 examples in Tatoeba

no G n-grams hits for あぁ; I suspect the n-grams cannot handle ぁ

@@ -23,0 +24,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>あぁ</reb>

@@ -6,0 +7 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -17,0 +19 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
@@ -20,0 +23 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

ああ	18788680
あー	9061462
アー	239306
アア	79681

@@ -19,0 +20,3 @@
+<reb>あー</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -20,0 +24,4 @@
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>アア</reb>

OK. You win. I wish there was a way they could be searchable, though.

as indicated by nikkoku and the kanwa dictionaries, there are a bazillion writings for this, none of which anyone is ever going to come across in real life.  that's when we normally whip out the 'also written as'

@@ -6,0 +6,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -9,0 +10,1 @@
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -12,18 +14,1 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>於乎</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>於戯</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>嗟乎</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>嗟夫</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>吁</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>鳴呼</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -41,1 +26,1 @@
-<s_inf>all kanji forms are ateji</s_inf>
+<s_inf>also written as 於乎, 於戯, 嗟乎, 嗟夫, 吁, etc.</s_inf>

Meikyo: 「〈▼嗚呼〉」「▼嗟」「▼噫」などと当てる。

Nikkoku:
【嗚呼】文明・天正・饅頭・黒本・易林・書言・ヘボン・言海
【咨】和玉・文明・易林
【於戯】伊京・易林・書言
【吁】和玉・書言
【噫・嗚・戯】和玉
【嗟呼】文明
【呼】黒本
【悪・都・烏〓・於皇・嗚〓】書言

Kanjigen:
〈於呼〉［於戯オギ・ああ］ああ、と感嘆したときの声をあらわすことば。

【吁】...《訓読み》ああ
❶｛感動詞｝ああ。うわっという嘆声をあらわす擬声語。▽驚き・怪しみ・悲しみなど、文脈に応じてさまざまの感じを含む。［類義語］嗚呼（ああ）。「吁嗟クサ」
==
嗟夫 and 嗟乎 are confirmed in kojien's kanwa entry for 嗟

the only one i don't have a ref for is 鳴呼
temporarily approving

@@ -6,0 +6,6 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>噫</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>嗟</keb>
@@ -21,6 +27,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>嗟</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>噫</keb>

What's the source for them though? "嗟夫" for example gets 0 
hits on bing (set to Japanese,there's some Chinese hits 
though). there's some hits on google books but they seem to 
mean something else.

Marcus wrote: "can't we just remove a bunch of them? except for 嗚呼 and 噫, none of them are in daij/nikk. (吁 is, but as おの)", and proposed an amendment trimming it back to just 嗚呼 and 噫. 
I really don't agree - all the kanji forms are rare, but I think it's useful to have them recorded and searchable. I'm dropping Marcus' version and added a note about ateji, but I'll keep the thread open.

@@ -41,0 +41,1 @@
+<s_inf>all kanji forms are ateji</s_inf>
@@ -47,0 +48,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -53,0 +55,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -58,0 +61,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

Yes, and it would be a horrible clutter to mark them all. Perhaps a note.

aren't all these kanji ateji?

i don't think there's anything palatable that can be done with it.  any entry for a species name that has another non-biological sense suffers from the same problem.  a shortcoming of the swapping system

Yes, and I can't see an easy fix. The heuristic for "uk" cases is to pull the katakana to the front if there is one, otherwise pull the hiragana to the front.
A possible fix is to break アー out into its own extry.

I think this fails the 'nokanji' display fix.  It displays like the following:

アー 《嗚呼; 於乎; 於戯; 嗟乎; 嗟夫; 吁; 嗟; 噫; 鳴呼》 【ああ】 (int) (1) (uk) Ah!; Oh!; Alas!; (2) Yes; Indeed; That is correct; (3) Hey!; Yo!; (4) Uh huh; Yeah yeah; Right; Gotcha

But ああ is actually the most commonly seen version.

What should we do with this entry? Delete?
It seems strange to have あーあ but not the more common  あああ.

Or just leave them alone. MeCab chops the long ones into sets of ああ/アア.

We could have one entry with
  ああああ	7005621
  あーあー	195905
  あーーー	150323
  アアアア	41172
  アーアー	22166
  アーーー	2644
  アアああ	8057
and  one with
  あああ	1324315
  あーあ	375184
  あーー	165830
  アアア	8178
  アーア	9850
  アーー	2515
and ignore the longer forms

ああ	18718399
あー	9061204
ああああ	6979444
ああああああ	5580678
ああああああああ	4754565
ああああああああああ	4174329
ああああああああああああ	3740278
あああ	708833
あああ	613933
あーあ	372575
アー	239306
あーあー	195905
あーー	165830
あーーー	148843
アア	78617
アアアア	35466
アアアアアア	32609
アアアアアアアア	30070
アアアアアアアアアア	27935
アアアアアアアアアアアア	26059
アアああ	8057
アアア	7983
アアああアア	6627
アアああアアああ	6552

Not sure.
Maybe the ones that are not phonemically /aa/ should be kept apart from the ones that are.
A few more could be added here.

I'd not object to this going into 1565440 as a "nokanji". If "アー" is there, this one could be too.

same word really

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1565440">嗚呼・ああ・1</xref>

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