I think my thinking was to try and distinguish this more clearly from 伊呂波順 ▶ iroha order ▶ [expl] traditional ordering of Japanese 
syllabaries (based on a Buddhist poem)

unfortunately, 五十音 is defined as "Japanese syllabary".  so i'm not sure that adding gojūon adds much meaning here.  and it's not in any of my english dictionaries, so it probably would need an expl.

maybe just "Japanese syllabary order" to match 五十音?

not idiomatic yojijukugo.
I don't think "the syllabary order" is a great gloss.

@@ -12,2 +12,2 @@
-<misc>&yoji;</misc>
-<gloss>the syllabary order</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1268300">五十音</xref>
+<gloss>gojūon syllabary order</gloss>

Kanji Haitani list

Adding yoji tagAdding yoji tag
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<misc>&yoji;</misc>

輪車 is a bit similar, except that here 輪 (rin) is the counter for wheels.
There is a limit to how far dictionary entries can go in assisting learners to sort out Japanese morphology. Putting entries for fragments which are never actually free-standing lexemes is a step too far.

A search for 音順 reveals:
Partial match - original key: 音順 [G][S][A] Propose a new entry for 音順, or search all dictionaries.
五十音順 【ごじゅうおんじゅん】 (n) the syllabary order

It strikes me that these results are 100% analogous to your results for the 輪車 search.

音順 should not be an entry by itself, but when you search for it, 五十音順 nevertheless shows up as a hit.  What is the complaint?

See below.

I understand your point, however in a similar example you have dealt with it in the manner of the original discussion.

If you search for "車" the following entry comes up:-

車 【しゃ】 (n-suf) car; vehicle

One can see that it is a suffix as well as a noun and one can search down the list of suffixes.

If you search for "輪車" there is not an entry.


However, that search will take the searcher directly to the following:-

Search Key: 輪車 Current Dictionary: Jpn-Eng General (EDICT) 
Partial match - original key: 輪車 [G][S][A] Propose a new entry for 輪車, or search all dictionaries. 

一輪車 【いちりんしゃ】 (n) unicycle; monocycle; wheelbarrow
三輪車 【さんりんしゃ】 (n) three wheeled vehicle (tricycle, motorcycle, etc.); three wheeler
二輪車 【にりんしゃ】 (n) two wheeled vehicle (bicycle, motorcycle, etc.); (P)
四輪車 【よんりんしゃ】 (n) automobile; car; (P)

This seems to be a similar situation to point about searching for "音順" in order for the novice to find "五十音順".

You don't need to look down the list. The very first entry is 順 itself, which says it's a suffix, then the next 10 or so all have it as the final kanji in compounds. That should tell you it's likely to be 五十音 + 順.

See below.

I agree with your comments. The "順" is normally just the suffix. When I check to find it as a suffix, it takes 2 clicks on the 100+ entries for "五十音順" to come up. This is OK if the searcher knows what to expect and clicks away until the entry is found. The result could of course only turn up as the last entry of the 100+. I suppose that, at the end of the day, one has to decide whether or not to deviate from the standard rules to tackle the exception. Dealing with oddities was always relatively easy when one printed off the book [save of course for the endless burden of having to decide upon the problem of how far to go in dealing with oddities], but with electronic search format I guess that wider problems come into play.

I can't really do that because it's 五十音 + 順, not 五十 + 音順. As far as I can tell, 音順 is simply not a recognized term in Japanese. (My IME will make it, but then it has all sorts of fragments.) I think you are going to have to rely on looking up 順 and finding that it's a suffix.
I'll leave this open for a bit.

See below.

In like mode to my "おほしさま" submission, I am wondering if you would consider making an adjustment to the above so that I can find this entry by searching for "音じゅん" or "音順".

When, as a novice, one sees a number followed by some kanji, one generally knows that a search which starts off with the number will not get a result, e.g., in a search for "三十ページ", one can search for "三十" and then "ページ" and get a meaningful result for the combination. However, one does not get a result when one searches for the complete "三十ページ". The reason is obvious and requires no explanation.

When one is faced with an entry like the main entry above, the logic of the above paragraph falls away, but the novice does not know that in advance and tends to search for "音じゅん" or "音順" with the result that the the main entry is not found. Moreover, a search for the individual parts could not give the meaning of the complete meaning attributed to "五十音順".

I trust that the above is helpful.

all sources

or it should be the first sense

@@ -21,0 +21,1 @@
+<s_inf>orig. meaning</s_inf>

GG5, Daijr, etc.

I think describing it from the observer's POV is causing confusion.

@@ -21,1 +21,1 @@
-<gloss>wearing a kimono with the left side tucked under the right (from someone else's POV; normally used only for the dead)</gloss>
+<gloss>wearing a kimono with the right side over the left (normally used only for the dead)</gloss>

Barbara F. Kawakami, Japanese Immigrant Clothing in Hawaii 1885-1941 
(Honolulu, University of Hawaii Press, 1993), pp.182-183:

"When the kimono shroud was completed, the body of the deceased was 
carefully dressed with the right front overlapping the left front, which is 
known as the hidarimae manner. (Normally, a kimono is worn with the left 
front panel overlapping the right front panel.) In ancient times the Japanese 
had worn their kimono the hidarimae way. But this custom began to change in 
the seventh century, when Chinese court costumes were introduced. Because 
the Chinese wore their costumes overlapped in the opposite direction, there 
was a period of confusion: some Japanese held to the old way; some  adopted 
the Chinese way. Finally, in the eighth century, Emperor Gensho (715-723) 
instituted a dress code that required the Japanese to wear their kimono with 
the left front over the right. After that, wearing a kimono hidarimae was 
avoided in Japan; it was considered an omen of misfortune or even death. The 
issei immigrants to Hawaii of course brought these beliefs with them. Issei 
mothers would reprimand their children for inadvertently wearing their 
bedtime kimono overlapped the wrong way, and mothers would become 
especially upset if their daughters wore their kimono in the hidarimae manner 
on New Year’s Day, since that might mean that the whole year would be 
unlucky. A plantation mother might say, “You wearing make man style?” 
(Make means dead in Hawaiian.) To this day, when issei women see people of 
other ethnic groups at Obon dances or teahouse parties wearing kimono the 
hidarimae way, they have the same reaction: they feel it is a bad omen. The 
younger-generation Japanese probably do not even notice."

http://books.google.com/books?
id=3sAFvVIfwcIC&pg=PA183&lpg=PA183&dq=hidarimae&source=bl&ots=U0
94ODY-
CY&sig=_89H4M6zRxSx_UuxTYf4SW26PUk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OuFNUfCbNcvry
AHzs4HoAg&ved=0CF4Q6AEwCg#v=snippet&q=hidarimae&f=false

Definition #2 is incorrect. It reads "right side tucked under the left" but it should 
read "left side tucked under the right."

@@ -21,1 +21,1 @@
-<gloss>wearing a kimono with the right side tucked under the left (from someone else's POV; normally used only for the dead)</gloss>
+<gloss>wearing a kimono with the left side tucked under the right (from someone else's POV; normally used only for the dead)</gloss>

daijr/s, prog, Luminous, 新和英中辞典

Prog and Luminous say right side over left, which makes it seem odd that it's 左前. 新和英中辞典 says right side under left, with an explanation that it's from someone else's POV (daijs also mentions this).

@@ -21,1 +21,1 @@
-<gloss>wearing a kimono with the right side tucked under the left (normally used only for the dead)</gloss>
+<gloss>wearing a kimono with the right side tucked under the left (from someone else's POV; normally used only for the dead)</gloss>

@@ -21,2 +21,1 @@
-<gloss>wearing a kimono with the right side tucked under the left</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">this is normally used only for the dead</gloss>
+<gloss>wearing a kimono with the right side tucked under the left (normally used only for the dead)</gloss>

gg5 koj daij

@@ -16,2 +16,5 @@
-<gloss>downward course</gloss>
-<gloss>being badly off</gloss>
+<gloss>going badly (one's business, one's fortune, the economy)</gloss>
+<gloss>being in a bad financial situation</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19,0 +22,1 @@
+<gloss g_type="expl">this is normally used only for the dead</gloss>

daijr has "一般には、太陽や地球・月以外の天体をいうことが多い。"
and daijs "ふつう、天体のうち、太陽と地球と月を除いた恒星・惑星・彗星 (すいせい) ・星団あるいは星座をいう。"
Heard used in TV show as "この星をもっと豊かにする" in reference to Earth, and there's a song called "この星に生まれて"
so I think "not" is too strong.

@@ -18,3 +18,3 @@
-<gloss>star (except for the Sun)</gloss>
-<gloss>planet (except for Earth)</gloss>
-<gloss>heavenly body (except for the Sun, Earth and the Moon)</gloss>
+<gloss>star (usu. not including the Sun)</gloss>
+<gloss>planet (usu. not including Earth)</gloss>
+<gloss>heavenly body</gloss>

I'll work on the examples.

gg5 daij nikk
Moved senses around a bit, and added another new one "star (actor, player, etc.") (based on our 花形 sense 2)
Every single example is currently tagged as sense 1.
http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1Q��_0_�ۤ�_

These should probably be (the new) sense 2 though:
"これらのクッキーは星の形をしている。"
"クッキーはどれも星の形をしている。"

what's the source for "circular symbol (said to be shaped like a shining star)"? Is this a mistranslation for "star shape"? Or a 
duplicate of "bullseye?" (in nikk:  小さく丸い形の点。標的などの中心を示したりする黒点をいう。)
It's not on it's own in any source I have access too (e.g. yahoo/gg5) so I'm removing it for now.

@@ -24,2 +24 @@
-<gloss>star</gloss>
-<gloss>star shape</gloss>
+<gloss>star (glyph, symbol, shape)</gloss>
@@ -29,4 +28,7 @@
-<misc>&sl;</misc>
-<s_inf>police slang</s_inf>
-<gloss>offender</gloss>
-<gloss>perpetrator</gloss>
+<gloss>star (actor, player, etc.)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>small dot</gloss>
+<gloss>spot</gloss>
+<gloss>fleck</gloss>
@@ -42 +44,7 @@
-<gloss>circular symbol (said to be shaped like a shining star)</gloss>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<s_inf>police slang</s_inf>
+<gloss>perp</gloss>
+<gloss>perpetrator</gloss>
+<gloss>mark</gloss>
+<gloss>offender</gloss>
+<gloss>suspect</gloss>
@@ -51,7 +59,2 @@
-<gloss>one's star (out of the nine traditional signs in Onmyōdō)</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">the star that determines one's fate</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>small dot</gloss>
-<gloss>spot</gloss>
+<gloss>one's star (that determines one's fate)</gloss>
+<gloss>one's fortune</gloss>

daij etc.

Tried to improve sense 1 a little. Added a new sense, "star shape", and changed sense 7 from "the nine stars" to "the nine traditional 
signs in Onmyōdō"

@@ -17,0 +18,6 @@
+<gloss>star (except for the Sun)</gloss>
+<gloss>planet (except for Earth)</gloss>
+<gloss>heavenly body (except for the Sun, Earth and the Moon)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -19 +25 @@
-<gloss>any light-emitting (or reflecting) heavenly body (except for the sun and the moon)</gloss>
+<gloss>star shape</gloss>
@@ -45 +51 @@
-<gloss>one's star (out of the nine stars)</gloss>
+<gloss>one's star (out of the nine traditional signs in Onmyōdō)</gloss>

tidying up

@@ -30 +30 @@
-<gloss>star point (in Go)</gloss>
+<gloss>star point (in go)</gloss>

@@ -23,0 +24 @@
+<s_inf>police slang</s_inf>
@@ -25 +26 @@
-<gloss>perpetrator (police slang)</gloss>
+<gloss>perpetrator</gloss>

sense [3] has my approval now :-)
"hoshi" is not that common in English, but you hear it sometimes

@@ -29,3 +29,3 @@
-<gloss>star (in Go)</gloss>
-<gloss>star point</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">intersection marked with a small dot on the board</gloss>
+<gloss>star point (in Go)</gloss>
+<gloss>hoshi</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">intersection marked with a dot</gloss>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Go_terms
gg5 daij eij(has star point) koj

@@ -26,0 +27,31 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>star (in Go)</gloss>
+<gloss>star point</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">intersection marked with a small dot on the board</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>circular symbol (said to be shaped like a shining star)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>bullseye</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1243760">九星</xref>
+<gloss>one's star (out of the nine stars)</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">the star that determines one's fate</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>small dot</gloss>
+<gloss>spot</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<field>&sumo;</field>
+<gloss>point</gloss>
+<gloss>score</gloss>
+</sense>

gg5 seems to be saying it's the actual culprit rather someone who is *suspected* of possibly having done it.

@@ -24 +24,2 @@
-<gloss>suspect (police slang)</gloss>
+<gloss>offender</gloss>
+<gloss>perpetrator (police slang)</gloss>

I agree. A link FROM that one may be suitable.

why?  we generally link from rarer terms or more colloquial terms to more common or more formal terms, not the other way around.  星 is definitely more common and more formal

See below.

Can we have a link to:-

お星様; 御星様 【おほしさま】 (n) (hon) (pol) (fam) star

[See also submission for the above]

@@ -23,0 +23,1 @@
+<misc>&sl;</misc>

@@ -9,0 +9,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>かけ蕎麦</keb>

広辞苑

Alt. spell 送り仮名なし

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>掛蕎麦</keb>

Thanks, Jim. Did you add an entry for イメトレ?
Cross-reference between those two entries?

Fine. Just trimming a little.

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>イメージ・トレーニング</reb>
@@ -13,2 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>visualization (for the purpose of practicing a skill in one's mind)(practising)</gloss>
-<gloss>practicing under simulated conditions (e.g. while watching a video)(practising)</gloss>
+<gloss>visualization (for practicing a skill in one's mind)(practising)</gloss>
+<gloss>practicing under simulated conditions (e.g. while watching a video)</gloss>

1) I suggest changing "where you imagine ..." to dictionary-speak: "where one imagines ..."
2) It's not only sports. See examples below.
3) I suggest adding an entry for the abbreviation イメトレ. (Plenty of examples below.)
-
http://kotobank.jp/word/イメトレ
-
電車内痴漢から身を守る7か条
第2条　大声を出すイメトレまたは防犯ブザーを
いざというときのために、大声を出すイメージトレーニングをしておくといいでしょう。お腹にグッと力を入れて、「この人、痴漢です！　皆さん、協力してください！」と叫んでい
る場面を想像しましょう。一対一で対処しようとするのではなく、周りの人たちの正義感を引き出して、協力してもらうようにするのです。
http://allabout.co.jp/gm/gc/55799/
-
今回は、スノーボードを始めたばかりで「もっと上手く滑れるようになりたい！」と意気込む人のために、「スノーボードの滑り方」のおさらいです。イメージトレーニングをする
と、滑りの上達が格段に速くなります！
http://allabout.co.jp/gm/gc/214204/
-
まずは記事＆写真に目を通し、頭の中でのイメトレ（イメージトレーニング）を開始！
http://allabout.co.jp/gm/gc/214205/
-
私はイメトレとか全くしてなかったんで、急にカメラが近づいてきたりしてビクビクしっぱなしでした（笑）。
-
比較しながらイメトレしてみると面白いですよ。
-
大阪、神戸、奈良、東京、京都マラソンのコース動画
コースムービーでイメトレ
動画のインターネットへのアップが簡単になりYou　Tubeなどで面白い画像がたやすく見られるようになりました。マラソン大会にもさまざまな利用が始まっているようです。折
り返し点やゴールシーン（時にはライブ映像で）を家族や友人と見ていると自慢話にも花が咲くというものです。
http://allabout.co.jp/gm/gc/386629/
-
少しでも旅費を節約したいバックパッカーにとって、ヒッチハイクを移動手段に使うことはある意味、理想であり憧れでもあります。ただ、実行するには勇気と技術が必要であ
り、まずはテレビでイメトレと行きましょう。
-
practicing under simulated conditions ~
Note that it's not necessarily just *mental* preparation. See, for example, the picture with the caption ビデオでイメトレ中:
http://allabout.co.jp/gm/gc/213982/
It seems that it's training with the aid of images, and those images can be either internal (menatl) or external (video 
etc).
-
Regarding the English term "mental rehearsal" ~
"Mental rehearsal activates a network of neural coded programs that activate physiological responses.  Therefore, 
imagining something means you are actually strengthening the neural pathways required for that skill and the more 
likely you are to reproduce it again in the future.  Also by mentally practising, you become more familiar with the 
actions required to perform a skill.  These actions can become coded into symbols that make the actions more familiar 
or automatic."
http://www.ausport.gov.au/sportsofficialmag/mental_preparation/using_mental_rehearsal_to_prepare_for_officiating

@@ -10,1 +10,5 @@
-<gloss>training method in sports where you imagine how a scenario would play out</gloss>
+<gloss>training method in sports, etc. where one imagines how a scenario would play out</gloss>
+<gloss>mental rehearsal</gloss>
+<gloss>mental preparation</gloss>
+<gloss>visualization (for the purpose of practicing a skill in one's mind)(practising)</gloss>
+<gloss>practicing under simulated conditions (e.g. while watching a video)(practising)</gloss>

daijr, wiki

I'm pretty sure "image training" is not a concept originally 
found in any English-speaking country

@@ -9,1 +9,2 @@
-<gloss>image training</gloss>
+<lsource ls_wasei="y">image training</lsource>
+<gloss>training method in sports where you imagine how a scenario would play out</gloss>

Entry created

This might help too.

@@ -15,0 +15,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1376310">星・ほし・1</xref>

http://dic.search.yahoo.co.jp/search?ei=UTF-8&p=ほしさま&fr=dic&stype=prefix

See below.

I know that I submitted the original entry for the above, but thinking of the novice searcher,I shall relay the following:- 

Because I searched for "ほしさま" the main entry above did not come up. "おほしさま" was in the text which I was reading, but I knew from past experience that searching for something with the honorable prefix does not work so, as stated, I just searched for "ほしさま". However, I could only find that as the following RH:-

星様 【ほしさま】 (?) ???; RH

Is it possible to include the "星様 【ほしさま】" in the main entry above so that a standard search will find the more usual "お星様"?

daij, gg5

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>御星様</keb>
@@ -12,1 +15,4 @@
-<gloss>stars</gloss>
+<misc>&hon;</misc>
+<misc>&pol;</misc>
+<misc>&fam;</misc>
+<gloss>star</gloss>

See below.

This comes up in the text which I was reading. Perhaps one may apply the old a + b logic. However, it gets many Google hits and it seems to be an expression with a meaning beyond the simple combination, but I guess that we can all guess at the spectrum of feelings when it is used.

The following entry also exists:-

星様 【ほしさま】 (?) ???; RH

Reverso: "拡声用として…" | "For voice amplification, ..."

@@ -13,2 +13,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1590010">拡声機・かくせいき</xref>
-<gloss>amplification</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1590010">拡声器</xref>
+<gloss>voice amplification</gloss>

@@ -11,0 +11,1 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -12,1 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>to amplify</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1590010">拡声機・かくせいき</xref>
+<gloss>amplification</gloss>

http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/megaphone  
http://www3.ocn.ne.jp/~you2003/term/amp.htm  
http://www.canstockphoto.jp/illustration/amplify.html

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/just_deserts
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/desert 'reward or punishment that is deserved'

er, I disagree. it's 'just deserts', but some restaurants etc write 'desserts' to make it a pun

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>one's just desserts</gloss>
+<gloss>one's just deserts</gloss>

Apologies for approving "deserts".

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>one's just deserts</gloss>
+<gloss>one's just desserts</gloss>

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/just+deserts?r=75
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_(philosophy)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Desserts

@@ -13,1 +13,1 @@
-<gloss>one's just desserts</gloss>
+<gloss>one's just deserts</gloss>

リーダーズ+プラス

@@ -11,0 +11,1 @@
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -12,1 +13,0 @@
-<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -16,0 +16,1 @@
+<gloss>come uppance</gloss>

http://dic.yahoo.co.jp/dsearch/3/2ss/240450/  
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/当然の報いを受ける  
http://maclalala2.wordpress.com/2012/12/02/「当然の報いだ」：tony-fadell/  
http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/当然の報いだ

Seems to be most commonly used as part of 当然の報いを受ける, but also on its own as in 当然の報いだ.

They wouldn't. I was just trying to avoid using tenkasu

why would they cook the dipping sauce?

@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>たぬき丼</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -12,0 +15,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2171120">天かす</xref>
@@ -13,1 +17,1 @@
-<gloss>hot rice with crunchy bits of deep-fried dough produced as a byproduct of cooking tempura and thin dipping sauce for tempura</gloss>
+<gloss>hot rice served with tenkasu and tempura dipping sauce on top</gloss>

daijs googimgs