ngrams
車海老	96598
クルマエビ	19052

not actually uk?

@@ -13,0 +13,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>クルマエビ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
@@ -15,0 +19,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

synching with のがす

@@ -23,1 +23,4 @@
-<gloss>to let loose</gloss>
+<gloss>to miss</gloss>
+<gloss>to lose</gloss>
+<gloss>to give away</gloss>
+<gloss>to let go</gloss>
@@ -25,1 +28,1 @@
-<gloss>to let escape</gloss>
+<gloss>to let get away</gloss>

koj, daij, gg5

sense 1 is perhaps two senses

@@ -9,0 +9,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>遁す</keb>
@@ -19,1 +22,5 @@
-<gloss>to let loose</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1450320">逃がす</xref>
+<gloss>to miss</gloss>
+<gloss>to lose</gloss>
+<gloss>to give away</gloss>
+<gloss>to let go</gloss>
@@ -21,2 +28,7 @@
-<gloss>to let escape</gloss>
-<gloss>to miss</gloss>
+<gloss>to let get away</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>
+<s_inf>after the -masu stem of a verb</s_inf>
+<gloss>to fail to ...</gloss>

alc.co.jp

@@ -22,0 +22,1 @@
+<gloss>to miss</gloss>

daijs: 上に来る語によって「ぱん」ともなる。

also pronounced "pan" on occasion.  i don't know that we want to have the suffix readings here as main readings as opposed to just a note (or a separate entry)

Daijr, Daijs

I wouldn't describe ばん as 連濁 here. It's the *only* reading for 版 when used as a suffix (excl. 助数詞 usage), so it definitely needs a mention.

Compare with the 3rd (counter) sense where the reading follows regular 連濁 rules (はん in 第２版 but ぱん in 第３版).

@@ -15,0 +16,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ばん</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -18,0 +22 @@
+<s_inf>read ばん when used as a suffix</s_inf>
@@ -30,0 +35,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
+<gloss>counter for editions of a publication</gloss>
+</sense>

We don't usually try and represent the 連濁 in these cases. See the 本 entry.

Usually read "ban" when suffix

@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>

better like this, IMO

Daijr, GG5, 新和英中辞典, etc.

Daijr has 7 senses and GG5 has 5. I feel the distinctions are really too subtle, e.g. GG5 splits up "edition", "deluxe edition" and "foreign-language edition". Also both Daijr and GG5 has separate entries for 版/はん and 版/ばん, with the latter pointing the former. Do we need this too?

@@ -20,0 +20,9 @@
+<gloss>printing</gloss>
+<gloss>impression</gloss>
+<gloss>implementation (e.g. software)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>plate</gloss>
+<gloss>block</gloss>
+<gloss>cast</gloss>

"ばん, however, is the only valid reading for 版 (regardless of what comes before it) when used as a suffix in the first sense. "

It's read はん when referring to printed material (esp. woodblock prints), including with the meaning "edition", but ばん when it refers to a "version" (of something that's not printed). if this could be clarified in the entry that would be good.

daijr, nikk

@@ -30,0 +31 @@
+<s_inf>also written 板</s_inf>

As I commented 3 years ago, GG5 has both はん and ばん on the main (noun) entry, and ばん on its suffix entry, which just points to one of the senses in the main entry. I feel we can safely follow that path too.

@@ -22 +22 @@
-<s_inf>read ばん when used as a suffix</s_inf>
+<s_inf>ばん when a suffix</s_inf>
@@ -36 +35,0 @@
-<pos>&suf;</pos>
@@ -38 +37 @@
-<gloss>counter for editions of a publication</gloss>
+<gloss>editions of a publication</gloss>

Rene, that note comes under the 3rd sense. There's no need to list (or even mention) ぱん because it's merely a rendaku reading.

ばん, however, is the only valid reading for 版 (regardless of what comes before it) when used as a suffix in the first sense. Daijr even has an entry for ばん which redirects to はん (版).

If I can't convince you to keep it in the list of readings, a note like the one I've written is an acceptable compromise.

daijs: 上に来る語によって「ぱん」ともなる。

also pronounced "pan" on occasion.  i don't know that we want to have the suffix readings here as main readings as opposed to just a note (or a separate entry)

Daijr, Daijs

I wouldn't describe ばん as 連濁 here. It's the *only* reading for 版 when used as a suffix (excl. 助数詞 usage), so it definitely needs a mention.

Compare with the 3rd (counter) sense where the reading follows regular 連濁 rules (はん in 第２版 but ぱん in 第３版).

@@ -15,0 +16,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ばん</reb>
+</r_ele>
@@ -18,0 +22 @@
+<s_inf>read ばん when used as a suffix</s_inf>
@@ -30,0 +35,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&suf;</pos>
+<pos>&ctr;</pos>
+<gloss>counter for editions of a publication</gloss>
+</sense>

We don't usually try and represent the 連濁 in these cases. See the 本 entry.

Usually read "ban" when suffix

@@ -17,0 +18 @@
+<pos>&n-suf;</pos>

better like this, IMO

Daijr, GG5, 新和英中辞典, etc.

Daijr has 7 senses and GG5 has 5. I feel the distinctions are really too subtle, e.g. GG5 splits up "edition", "deluxe edition" and "foreign-language edition". Also both Daijr and GG5 has separate entries for 版/はん and 版/ばん, with the latter pointing the former. Do we need this too?

@@ -20,0 +20,9 @@
+<gloss>printing</gloss>
+<gloss>impression</gloss>
+<gloss>implementation (e.g. software)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>plate</gloss>
+<gloss>block</gloss>
+<gloss>cast</gloss>

GG5, Koj, Daijirin

@@ -6,0 +6,9 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>指物</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>差物</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>挿物</keb>
@@ -13,0 +22,1 @@
+<gloss>joinery</gloss>

Dajr, GG5, 新和英中辞典

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>激る</keb>
@@ -13,1 +16,1 @@
-<gloss>to cascade down</gloss>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -17,0 +20,13 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>to cascade down (e.g. waterfall)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5r;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>to well up</gloss>
+<gloss>to overflow</gloss>
+</sense>

http://nlpwww.nict.go.jp/wn-ja/cgi/wn-synset.cgi?synset=02071316-v

@@ -13,0 +13,1 @@
+<gloss>to cascade down</gloss>

なんぼ is still an adverb in that sense; it just doesn't translate as one. I think we can do better with the glosses.

@@ -29 +29 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
@@ -32,3 +32,3 @@
-<gloss>worth</gloss>
-<gloss>meaning</gloss>
-<gloss>point</gloss>
+<gloss>what matters is ...</gloss>
+<gloss>it all comes down to ...</gloss>
+<gloss>nothing beats ...</gloss>

Better

https://www.weblio.jp/content/してなんぼ
jitsuyo: してなんぼ
何らかの行為をして、やっと利益が得られるという意味の語。なんぼは「(お金などが)幾ら」という意味で、行為の内容と合わせると「～してやっと幾らの利益が得ら
れたか数えられる」という意味になる。

hokkaido, tsugaru, shimokita, sendai, koshu, tottori according to various dialect dictionaries on weblio.
https://www.weblio.jp/content/なんぼ
"西日本・北海道・東北など" according to wiktionary
daijs doesn't mention anything about it being dialectal. maybe a note is better? (should prob. be sense-wide)
___
sense 3:
https://www.italki.com/post/question-42779
おもしろい質問ですね。「ナンボ」というのは関西（大阪方面）の言い方で
「いくら」（how much）という意味ですが、「～～してナンボ（のもん）」というのは
「～～であることに価値（意味）がある」という慣用句です。

giving another go at the ｘｘてなんぼ sense I touched on in a previous comment. I think this probably works? An example sentence would make 
it better, but I couldn't find anything on tatoeba.

@@ -14 +14 @@
-<dial>&ksb;</dial>
+<s_inf>esp. used in Kansai</s_inf>
@@ -25 +24,0 @@
-<dial>&ksb;</dial>
@@ -27,0 +27,8 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<s_inf>as 〜てなんぼ</s_inf>
+<gloss>worth</gloss>
+<gloss>meaning</gloss>
+<gloss>point</gloss>

It's probably in quite a few 弁. Not sure we can do a lot about it.

This is also used in 大分弁

The sense added by Paul in 2012 was an attempt at capturing the 〜てなんぼ usage but I didn't think it worked. なんぼ isn't a noun. It's a very tricky one to gloss. GG5 doesn't even try, instead just giving an example sentence.

case for including "how many":
ksb native informer

https://mobile.twitter.com/kazu0ku0hutae/statu
s/1328370245216526336
in ref to a picture
https://mobile.twitter.com/666momotetsu/status
/1327504548542377985
a badge or sth
https://mobile.twitter.com/daisukehourai/statu
s/1327500046850428930
a giant octopus plush toy

there's another very common eay of using this 
word, 
(xは）(verb)てなんぼ
maybe "x's usefulness/worth/value is 
determined by how well it (verb)"
I don't think いくら can be used this way so it 
should prob be a separate sense?

@@ -15,0 +16 @@
+<gloss>how many</gloss>

daij, meikyo, gg5

Sense 2 and 3 were incorrect.

@@ -12,2 +12 @@
-<pos>&int;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="1219980">幾ら・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1219980">いくら・1</xref>
@@ -15,0 +15 @@
+<gloss>how much</gloss>
@@ -17,4 +17 @@
-<gloss>how much</gloss>
-<gloss>how many</gloss>
-<gloss>how long</gloss>
-<gloss>how far</gloss>
+<gloss>to what extent</gloss>
@@ -24,2 +21 @@
-<pos>&int;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="2056860">幾ら何でも・いくらなんでも</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1219980">いくら・3</xref>
@@ -26,0 +23 @@
+<s_inf>as なんぼ...〜ても, なんぼ...〜でも, etc.</s_inf>
@@ -28,12 +25,2 @@
-<gloss>under no circumstances</gloss>
-<gloss>whatever the circumstances may be</gloss>
-<gloss>say what you like</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<dial>&ksb;</dial>
-<gloss>being meaningful</gloss>
-<gloss>being significant</gloss>
-<gloss>having value</gloss>
-<gloss>having worth</gloss>
+<gloss>however (much)</gloss>
+<gloss>no matter how</gloss>

Reopening.

Daijr, GG5, ルミナス, ngrams

何ぼ is more common by far (99.5:1) I think a split is appropriate. It's also clearly "uk" (ngrams, GG5, etc.) I'll approve this (to unscramble xrefs) and reopen.

@@ -4,3 +4,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>何ぼう</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -11,4 +8,0 @@
-<reb>なんぼう</reb>
-<re_restr>何ぼう</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
@@ -16,1 +9,0 @@
-<re_restr>何ぼ</re_restr>
@@ -22,0 +14,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -33,0 +26,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -40,0 +34,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

I feel like a trouble-maker but these should be split, since 
they fail the 2/3 rule.
I think "何ぼう" is archaic though (judging from the daijs 
entry and that I've never heard it pronounced that way) so 
maybe it's for the best.

daijr, daijs
http://www.weblio.jp/content/なんぼ (section: 大阪弁)
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1166057811

@@ -23,1 +23,1 @@
-<gloss>very</gloss>
+<gloss>how</gloss>
@@ -25,0 +25,20 @@
+<gloss>how many</gloss>
+<gloss>how long</gloss>
+<gloss>how far</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&int;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2056860">幾ら何でも・いくらなんでも</xref>
+<dial>&ksb;</dial>
+<gloss>under no circumstances</gloss>
+<gloss>whatever the circumstances may be</gloss>
+<gloss>say what you like</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<dial>&ksb;</dial>
+<gloss>being meaningful</gloss>
+<gloss>being significant</gloss>
+<gloss>having value</gloss>
+<gloss>having worth</gloss>

Entry created

daijs:
"３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずいもの食えるか―」「だれが言
うことを聞くか―」

４ 自分の気持ちを主張する意を表す。「そんなこと知ってる―」「わかってるよ、もう言う
な―」→たって〔接助〕"

@@ -23,0 +23,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
+<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, I understand that って can also be a sentence-final particle with a similar meaning to よ.

eij:
"「どうして先生に抗議しないの？」「そんなことしたって内申書にキズがつくだけだよ」
Why don't you protest against the teacher?" "It will only 
leave a black mark on my record."
"おい、怒鳴るのはやめろよ！そんなことしたって、この子は泣き止まないぞ。
Hey, don't yell at him. That won't make him stop crying."

Well spotted. I've preliminarily copied the gloss from the -
ば entry, though the usage seems a lot more restricted. 
Daijs doesn't gloss it as a conditional but like some kind 
of a topic marker: ”２ 相手の質問・命令・依頼などを受けて、それを話題とし
て示す意を表す。…と言われても。「今さら変更する―、急に困るね」「どうするか―、
決まってるだろ」”
Daij also have quite a few more senses (7 in daijr, 8 in 
daijs).

@@ -18,0 +18,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, my understanding is that in certain contexts ～って can signify a conditional.

Makino & Tsutsui DBJG P 510.

Since Makino & Tsutsui say it's simply a colloquial version of と, it's probably best to reference that.

@@ -14,1 +14,2 @@
-<s_inf>abbr for というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1008490">と・4</xref>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>

No change to the above.
It may help to have a cross-link with the following in order to obviate the need for a fresh search to find what the main entry is short for, i.e., [note="abbr for というのは]:-

ってのは (exp) (See って) means; is; as for

Also, with regard to the note "and other similar combinations", I am wondering whether that loose comment can be firmed up with proper links.

No comment, so I'll close this off, and add it to というのは.

I'm quite comfortable adding ってのは to the dictionary, but I suspect it should be added to the と言うのは entry rather than here.
I've been looking through the usage of ってのは and というのは in the examples in GG5 (there are quite a few of each), and I'm starting to suspect there is a different nuance with ってのは.

I did not want to amend the above, but often in text [as demonstrated by the mass of results on Google] "ってのは" is used in much the same way as the above and, in context, equals "というのは". Your [A] references also show quite a few examples. Could "ってのは" be included in this entry to assist the searcher? One piece of text which I was reading was "一人っきりってのは". Helpfully, you have the first part [一人っきり], but not the last part.

If I am in the wrong road on this one, then a correct entry would be very helpful.

Entry created

I based it on daijs "３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずい
もの食えるか―」「だれが言うことを聞くか―」"
but irony was probably a poor translation for "反語", maybe 
this is better?

@@ -26,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates a rhetorical question</gloss>

I'd struggle to come up with one. I see Daijisen has "こんなまずいもの食えるか", which is more commonly seen as "こんなまずいもん食えるか" - from the examples around of that passage it's anything but ironical.

Please add an example of って illustrating [3][prt]  [as かって]  indicates 
irony. I could not find one anywhere. Thank you very much.

daijs:
"３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずいもの食えるか―」「だれが言
うことを聞くか―」

４ 自分の気持ちを主張する意を表す。「そんなこと知ってる―」「わかってるよ、もう言う
な―」→たって〔接助〕"

@@ -23,0 +23,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
+<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, I understand that って can also be a sentence-final particle with a similar meaning to よ.

eij:
"「どうして先生に抗議しないの？」「そんなことしたって内申書にキズがつくだけだよ」
Why don't you protest against the teacher?" "It will only 
leave a black mark on my record."
"おい、怒鳴るのはやめろよ！そんなことしたって、この子は泣き止まないぞ。
Hey, don't yell at him. That won't make him stop crying."

Well spotted. I've preliminarily copied the gloss from the -
ば entry, though the usage seems a lot more restricted. 
Daijs doesn't gloss it as a conditional but like some kind 
of a topic marker: ”２ 相手の質問・命令・依頼などを受けて、それを話題とし
て示す意を表す。…と言われても。「今さら変更する―、急に困るね」「どうするか―、
決まってるだろ」”
Daij also have quite a few more senses (7 in daijr, 8 in 
daijs).

@@ -18,0 +18,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, my understanding is that in certain contexts ～って can signify a conditional.

Makino & Tsutsui DBJG P 510.

Since Makino & Tsutsui say it's simply a colloquial version of と, it's probably best to reference that.

@@ -14,1 +14,2 @@
-<s_inf>abbr for というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1008490">と・4</xref>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>

No change to the above.
It may help to have a cross-link with the following in order to obviate the need for a fresh search to find what the main entry is short for, i.e., [note="abbr for というのは]:-

ってのは (exp) (See って) means; is; as for

Also, with regard to the note "and other similar combinations", I am wondering whether that loose comment can be firmed up with proper links.

No comment, so I'll close this off, and add it to というのは.

I'm quite comfortable adding ってのは to the dictionary, but I suspect it should be added to the と言うのは entry rather than here.
I've been looking through the usage of ってのは and というのは in the examples in GG5 (there are quite a few of each), and I'm starting to suspect there is a different nuance with ってのは.

I did not want to amend the above, but often in text [as demonstrated by the mass of results on Google] "ってのは" is used in much the same way as the above and, in context, equals "というのは". Your [A] references also show quite a few examples. Could "ってのは" be included in this entry to assist the searcher? One piece of text which I was reading was "一人っきりってのは". Helpfully, you have the first part [一人っきり], but not the last part.

If I am in the wrong road on this one, then a correct entry would be very helpful.

Entry created

Nicholas is right in that Daijisen and Daijirin don't include this in their って entries, but instead have separate たって 
entries. We do have a たって entry for this usage likewise. Still, I think it'd be fine to keep that sense here while keeping the 
たって entry as well - I think it'd be helpful not least because I don't think somebody trying to figure out what this use of っ
て means would be very likely to find their way to the たって entry.

Marcus, this edit removes a sense you added in 2012. I notice that both your examples do have たって, and it seems to be coing from 経って. MeCab says たっ + て. Do you have a view on the proposal? I'm rather neutral - it's up the front for historical reasons.

Examples from the same sense in Daijirin 4.0:
"どうするかって、ぼくにも名案はないよ"
"早く行けって、それは無理だよ"

Regarding the "if ... then" sense. The examples given in the refs when this sense was added contain たって, not って. They're unrelated to the topical/quotational って. There's already an entry for たって.
The DJR definition given is describing the case where you raise the other person's speech as the topic and make a statement regarding it. I don't know if this needs to be explicitly defined separately from the topical/quotational usage of って.
The best I could come up with is "..., you say? (used to call something someone said into question and make a statement regarding it)".

@@ -20,5 +19,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>indicates supposition</s_inf>
-<gloss>if ... then</gloss>

https://grammarist.com/usage/said/

Actually "the said ..." was intended. Both can be found.

@@ -40,0 +41 @@
+<gloss>the said ...</gloss>

Fixed a small grammatical issue.

@@ -41 +41 @@
-<gloss>the said ...</gloss>
+<gloss>said ...</gloss>

Moved usage notes into [note]s. Was then forced to add 
glosses to sense 1, 3 and 4.
Added "satirical" to sense 3 for clarification (「こんな
まずいもの食えるかって」)
_
This entry is also a great example why I think we should 
allow for senses with only notes for glosses. (sorry for 
beating a dead horse)

@@ -16 +16,5 @@
-<gloss>casual quoting particle</gloss>
+<s_inf>casual quoting particle</s_inf>
+<gloss>you said</gloss>
+<gloss>he said</gloss>
+<gloss>she said</gloss>
+<gloss>they said</gloss>
@@ -20 +24 @@
-<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<s_inf>indicates supposition</s_inf>
@@ -25,2 +29,2 @@
-<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
-<gloss>indicates a rhetorical question</gloss>
+<s_inf>as かって; indicates a satirical or rhetorical question</s_inf>
+<gloss>do you seriously think that</gloss>
@@ -30 +34,4 @@
-<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.</gloss>
+<s_inf>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.</s_inf>
+<gloss>I already told you</gloss>
+<gloss>you should know by now that</gloss>
+<gloss>of course</gloss>

Reopening, with a few small edits.

@@ -29 +29 @@
-<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis etc.</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis, etc.</gloss>
@@ -34 +34 @@
-<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
+<gloss>the said ...</gloss>
@@ -39 +39 @@
-<gloss>says that...</gloss>
+<gloss>says that ...</gloss>
@@ -44 +44 @@
-<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
+<gloss>I hear that ...</gloss>
@@ -49,2 +49 @@
-<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
-<gloss>means</gloss>
+<gloss>as for the term ...</gloss>
@@ -54,2 +53,2 @@
-<s_inf>equiv. of は</s_inf>
-<gloss>as for (topic marker)</gloss>
+<s_inf>equiv. of は topic marker</s_inf>
+<gloss>as for ...</gloss>

Daijr, GG5

I don't mind the additional senses (GG5 has 8) but I don't think they should go in front of the ones that were there already.
Editing for style and consistency. I'll approve this, then reopen for a while.

@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-<s_inf>abbr. for と and other similar combinations</s_inf>
@@ -17,27 +15,0 @@
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for という</s_inf>
-<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for と言っている</s_inf>
-<gloss>says that...</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for と聞いている</s_inf>
-<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>abbr. for とは、というのは</s_inf>
-<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
-<gloss>means</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
-<s_inf>same as は particle</s_inf>
-<gloss>as for X</gloss>
-<gloss>topic marker</gloss>
@@ -58,0 +31,26 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of という</s_inf>
+<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of と言っている</s_inf>
+<gloss>says that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of と聞いている</s_inf>
+<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. of とは, というのは</s_inf>
+<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
+<gloss>means</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>equiv. of は</s_inf>
+<gloss>as for (topic marker)</gloss>
+</sense>

gg5 koj daij

It's a start.

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と and other similar combinations</s_inf>
@@ -16,0 +17,27 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for という</s_inf>
+<gloss>someone named...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と言っている</s_inf>
+<gloss>says that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と聞いている</s_inf>
+<gloss>I hear that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>abbr. for とは、というのは</s_inf>
+<gloss>points to a term being defined</gloss>
+<gloss>means</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>same as は particle</s_inf>
+<gloss>as for X</gloss>
+<gloss>topic marker</gloss>
@@ -30 +57 @@
-<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, emphasis etc.</gloss>

I based it on daijs "３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずい
もの食えるか―」「だれが言うことを聞くか―」"
but irony was probably a poor translation for "反語", maybe 
this is better?

@@ -26,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates a rhetorical question</gloss>

I'd struggle to come up with one. I see Daijisen has "こんなまずいもの食えるか", which is more commonly seen as "こんなまずいもん食えるか" - from the examples around of that passage it's anything but ironical.

Please add an example of って illustrating [3][prt]  [as かって]  indicates 
irony. I could not find one anywhere. Thank you very much.

daijs:
"３ （「かって」の形で）反語の意を表す。「こんなまずいもの食えるか―」「だれが言
うことを聞くか―」

４ 自分の気持ちを主張する意を表す。「そんなこと知ってる―」「わかってるよ、もう言う
な―」→たって〔接助〕"

@@ -23,0 +23,9 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>as かって</s_inf>
+<gloss>indicates irony</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates certainty, insistence, etc.</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, I understand that って can also be a sentence-final particle with a similar meaning to よ.

eij:
"「どうして先生に抗議しないの？」「そんなことしたって内申書にキズがつくだけだよ」
Why don't you protest against the teacher?" "It will only 
leave a black mark on my record."
"おい、怒鳴るのはやめろよ！そんなことしたって、この子は泣き止まないぞ。
Hey, don't yell at him. That won't make him stop crying."

Well spotted. I've preliminarily copied the gloss from the -
ば entry, though the usage seems a lot more restricted. 
Daijs doesn't gloss it as a conditional but like some kind 
of a topic marker: ”２ 相手の質問・命令・依頼などを受けて、それを話題とし
て示す意を表す。…と言われても。「今さら変更する―、急に困るね」「どうするか―、
決まってるだろ」”
Daij also have quite a few more senses (7 in daijr, 8 in 
daijs).

@@ -18,0 +18,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<gloss>indicates supposition</gloss>
+<gloss>if ... then</gloss>
+</sense>

Hi, my understanding is that in certain contexts ～って can signify a conditional.

Makino & Tsutsui DBJG P 510.

Since Makino & Tsutsui say it's simply a colloquial version of と, it's probably best to reference that.

@@ -14,1 +14,2 @@
-<s_inf>abbr for というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>
+<xref type="see" seq="1008490">と・4</xref>
+<s_inf>abbr. for と, というのは and other similar combinations</s_inf>

No change to the above.
It may help to have a cross-link with the following in order to obviate the need for a fresh search to find what the main entry is short for, i.e., [note="abbr for というのは]:-

ってのは (exp) (See って) means; is; as for

Also, with regard to the note "and other similar combinations", I am wondering whether that loose comment can be firmed up with proper links.

No comment, so I'll close this off, and add it to というのは.

I'm quite comfortable adding ってのは to the dictionary, but I suspect it should be added to the と言うのは entry rather than here.
I've been looking through the usage of ってのは and というのは in the examples in GG5 (there are quite a few of each), and I'm starting to suspect there is a different nuance with ってのは.

I did not want to amend the above, but often in text [as demonstrated by the mass of results on Google] "ってのは" is used in much the same way as the above and, in context, equals "というのは". Your [A] references also show quite a few examples. Could "ってのは" be included in this entry to assist the searcher? One piece of text which I was reading was "一人っきりってのは". Helpfully, you have the first part [一人っきり], but not the last part.

If I am in the wrong road on this one, then a correct entry would be very helpful.

Entry created

There is a solution - remove 度 from this entry, and make it a note such as "occ. written 度"]. After all, Koj, Daijr, etc. do not have any kanji for this entry, and neither do any JEs that I can see,

The problem is that there are two 度/ど entries, and the entry/sentence link is on kanji+reading, so it gets both. If the other one had an alternative reading I could lock in on that, but it doesn't.

The example sentences for this are wrong,
and correspond to 度（ど） (Id: 42894, Seq: 1445160);
perhaps the ateji is messing it up?

"nokanji" last (by policy).

@@ -12,0 +12,4 @@
+<reb>どう</reb>
+<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -14,4 +18,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>どう</reb>
-<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>

hits for dosukebe and dohade
daijs
"度スケベ" 12k (b)

maybe originally ksb but certainly not restricted to it now 
(no mention of kansai in daijs)

@@ -4,0 +4,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>度</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -6,0 +10,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ド</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -13,1 +21,1 @@
-<dial>&ksb;</dial>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -18,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>very</gloss>
+<gloss>very much</gloss>
@@ -22,1 +30,4 @@
-<gloss>derogatory prefix used before nouns &amp; adjectives</gloss>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>damn</gloss>
+<gloss>stupid</gloss>
+<gloss>cursed</gloss>

Entry created

I wouldn't really mind, though you sort of lose the "ateji" 
info (unless you squeeze it into the note). Also it can be 
used for either sense

There is a solution - remove 度 from this entry, and make it a note such as "occ. written 度"]. After all, Koj, Daijr, etc. do not have any kanji for this entry, and neither do any JEs that I can see,

The problem is that there are two 度/ど entries, and the entry/sentence link is on kanji+reading, so it gets both. If the other one had an alternative reading I could lock in on that, but it doesn't.

The example sentences for this are wrong,
and correspond to 度（ど） (Id: 42894, Seq: 1445160);
perhaps the ateji is messing it up?

"nokanji" last (by policy).

@@ -12,0 +12,4 @@
+<reb>どう</reb>
+<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
@@ -14,4 +18,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>どう</reb>
-<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf>

hits for dosukebe and dohade
daijs
"度スケベ" 12k (b)

maybe originally ksb but certainly not restricted to it now 
(no mention of kansai in daijs)

@@ -4,0 +4,4 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>度</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -6,0 +10,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ド</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
@@ -13,1 +21,1 @@
-<dial>&ksb;</dial>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -18,1 +26,1 @@
-<gloss>very</gloss>
+<gloss>very much</gloss>
@@ -22,1 +30,4 @@
-<gloss>derogatory prefix used before nouns &amp; adjectives</gloss>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>damn</gloss>
+<gloss>stupid</gloss>
+<gloss>cursed</gloss>

Entry created

ja:WP
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/パチンコ用語の一覧
http://www.pachiguide.com/Content_Pachinko/P_C4_AimingPoint.
html
http://www.pachinko-play.com/en/how_to/playp/play.html
http://www.pachinko-play.com/en/how_to/playp/img/howto-play-
02.jpg
http://www.pachinko-play.com/en/how_to/playp/glossary.html

Add pachinko meaning; common basic term (there are *lots* of 
v. specialized terms).
(Played pachinko the other day. Once.)

@@ -28,0 +28,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss g_type="expl">gap between pegs in a pachinko machine (that a ball can pass through)</gloss>
+</sense>

sense 1 should probably be split into multiple senses, but it seems like overkill.  i hate those -masu stem entries

@@ -16,2 +16,6 @@
-<gloss>thrusting into</gloss>
-<gloss>a put-down</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2433340">打っ込む</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2433340">打っ込む</xref>
+<gloss>hitting</gloss>
+<gloss>throwing</gloss>
+<gloss>mixing</gloss>
+<gloss>wearing</gloss>

xref needs to be removed to make an amendment to target

@@ -16,1 +16,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1581440">ぶちこむ</xref>

Entry created

@@ -14,0 +14,1 @@
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>

http://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/モフモフ

koj, daij, meikyo, gg5, etc.

split

I'll accept Tad's analysis - simply trying to bring into regular style. Not sure how it's related to ふわふわ

@@ -8,2 +8,5 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>sound word for cool and collected (ふわふわ、ほわんとした)</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1113060">フワフワ</xref>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<gloss>cool</gloss>
+<gloss>collected</gloss>
@@ -12,2 +15,3 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>sound of disappointment (it's the falling "wuh-wuh-wuh" sound effect one hear's in the background of tv shows, etc.)</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<gloss>expression of disappointment (e.g. falling "wuh-wuh-wuh" sound in TV shows, etc.)</gloss>

Google can confirm that it's fairly widespread as an 
established term with these uses.
This link demonstrates it's use in sense 1:
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/pure_perie
This one demonstrates sense 2: 
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q124
5008977

I've also seen it to mean frustrated and almost angry (which 
can result from disappointment), but I'm hesitant to add that 
gloss.

I'll accept Tad's analysis - simply trying to bring into regular style. Not sure how it's related to ふわふわ

@@ -8,2 +8,5 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>sound word for cool and collected (ふわふわ、ほわんとした)</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1113060">フワフワ</xref>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<gloss>cool</gloss>
+<gloss>collected</gloss>
@@ -12,2 +15,3 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>sound of disappointment (it's the falling "wuh-wuh-wuh" sound effect one hear's in the background of tv shows, etc.)</gloss>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<misc>&on-mim;</misc>
+<gloss>expression of disappointment (e.g. falling "wuh-wuh-wuh" sound in TV shows, etc.)</gloss>

Google can confirm that it's fairly widespread as an 
established term with these uses.
This link demonstrates it's use in sense 1:
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/pure_perie
This one demonstrates sense 2: 
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q124
5008977

I've also seen it to mean frustrated and almost angry (which 
can result from disappointment), but I'm hesitant to add that 
gloss.

I see 乗りにがす getting WWW hits in train-missing contexts.
I bet 乗りのがす is 乗り逃す (ngrams: 444) and NSJs use both it and 乗り逃がす interchangeably. I'll add an entry and xref.

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>乗りにがす</keb>
@@ -13,0 +16,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2802770">乗り逃す・のりのがす</xref>

don't know if it's a dialectal thing but I've heard のりの_が_す 
many times
ngrams
乗りのがす	22
乗りにがす	No matches

Tatoeba: マイアミ行きの電車を乗り逃がしてしまいます

Never seen this before, and no ref has it, but it's in WWW pages and gets ~300 ngram hits.

Eijiro, Tatoeba, Gg5 (examples)

A bit idiomatic, I think. 89k in the ngrams. Kanji form gets about 15% so worth having. 事に為りかねない and 事になりかね無い get low ngram hits.

@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>事になりかねない</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -9,1 +12,5 @@
-<gloss>it could become a thing" with a connotation of a thing which could backfire, etc., if undertaken</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1922120">兼ねない・かねない</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1922120">兼ねない・かねない</xref>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>it could turn out badly</gloss>
+<gloss>it might have unfortunate consequences</gloss>

See below.

The expression was in the text which I was reading and the above meaning, as given (by me), fits the context. Plus, the individual parts support the concept.

Your [A] link gives a group of good examples and Google search tops up to near 40m hits. It seems to be used without kanji so I have not artificially put in the obvious kanji.

I have made this submission because in your response to my submission on the back of "事になる" you stated "ことになりかねない is probably worth an entry."

http://www.weblio.jp/content/ばっちし