Kanji Haitani list

Adding yoji tagAdding yoji tag
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<misc>&yoji;</misc>

See below.

The added reading was in the text which I was reading. It get a fair number of Google hits. You have the following on site:-

三日ぼうず 【みっかぼうず】 (?) ???; RH
三日ボウズ 【みっかぼうず】 (?) ???; RH

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>三日ぼうず</keb>

@@ -12,1 +12,1 @@
-<gloss>one who can stick to nothing</gloss>
+<gloss>person who cannot stick to anything</gloss>
@@ -14,0 +14,1 @@
+<gloss g_type="lit">monk for three days</gloss>

unnecessary.  めん works as well as おも here.

No getting any support.

Any reference for that? It's not in any JE/EJ source that I can access, and it doesn't seem to fit that well.

@@ -23 +22,0 @@
-<gloss>to clench</gloss>

@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+<gloss>to clench</gloss>

See discussion on 2761830.

@@ -60,0 +61,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&v1;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to kill (fish, poultry, etc.)</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -18,0 +19 @@
+<xref type="ant" seq="1214440">緩める・1</xref>

daij, prog, Luminous, 新和英中辞典

@@ -47,0 +47,6 @@
+<gloss>to have (time, money, etc.) left over</gloss>
+<gloss>to be saved (e.g. money)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5k;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

Just an x-ref

@@ -20,0 +20,1 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="1497340">浮かぬ顔</xref>

"火蒜" gets 16 results on bing (when restricting it to 
Japanese results). Most are false hits (i.e. "（火）蒜" etc.) 
but one mentions what seems to be a Chinese delicatessen, 
"金山火蒜". It seems the characters can be used to mean 
"roasted garlic" in Chinese:
http://loongfuat.blogspot.se/2011/06/roasted-garlic.html 
http://baike.baidu.com/view/1076881.htm
The "火" in place of a "大" in Kenkyusha might be a typo? 
Hard to tell.

See below.

I have now got my Google counter working and I can see that "big" gets the big hits and "fire" does not. I wonder why Kenkyusha gives "fire" [checked again with magnifying glass!!]

See below.

In Kenkyusha, it shows the kanji as "火蒜" alonside "ニンニク" for garlic. "Fire" as opposed to "big" has some logic!!

Google hits seem to show "火蒜", with a fair number of hits.

After making an amendment above changing "大蒜" to "火蒜", there was a "caution" note about cross-referencing so I have restored the original entry and I shall leave it to you to make the amendment; just in case I end up losing the cross-reference link.

GG5, etc.

Usual format. Came across ニンニク (ニンニク絞り器).

@@ -16,0 +16,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ニンニク</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
@@ -18,1 +22,2 @@
-<gloss>garlic (edible plant, Allium sativum)</gloss>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<gloss>garlic (Allium sativum)</gloss>

11k in (b)
the phrase is mentioned in the nipponica entry for 釣狐, a 
kyogen: ("... 本体を現した古狐（後シテ、縫いぐるみに狐の面を使用）が登場 
...")
100.yahoo.co.jp/detail/釣狐/
__
"狐面" きつねづら is in nikk.
http://nohmask21.com/kitsunelist.html

It seems fox masks see some usage in noh, but if there should 
be an entry for those, it should probably be "狐面" rather 
than "狐の面"

danger range of expressions.  obvious and unnecessary

from 'danger range' of expressions.  standard use of 面

G n-grams:
 当然のことながら	375623
 当然の事ながら	 68599
 とうぜんのことながら	   742

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>当然の事ながら</keb>
@@ -11,0 +15 @@
+<pos>&adv;</pos>

has a different headword and a different reading.  the only thing that is the same is the english translation.  that's 1/3.  it has to be its own entry.

http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/当然ながら  
http://www.wordreference.com/jaen/当然ながら

This can also be written as just 当然ながら. But this is one of those situations where I don't know whether that should have its own entry or be added to this one.

sure.  i think it's safe to drop it.

Either way, is the entry really necessary? 
"当日お急ぎ便" -amazon -rakuten only gets 1,990 hits (b). It can 
of course be helpful for people shopping on amazon, but is it 
jmdict's job to provide a legend to that particular site?

i'm not sure.  they apparently also offer お届け日時指定便, which appears to be 'nominated day and time' delivery...  i'm inclined to think that 当日お急ぎ便 may actually be same-day delivery:
「当日お急ぎ便」は注文確定当日に ...  =  "[delivered] the same day as the order is confirmed"?

http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=200042080#item

I don't think it's "same-day". The Amazon page explains the difference between 当日お急ぎ便 and お急ぎ便.

@@ -11,0 +11,1 @@
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -12,1 +13,1 @@
-<gloss>same-day delivery</gloss>
+<gloss>nominated-day express delivery</gloss>

I just created an entry for 急ぎ便 and while searching for a meaning for that, I saw 当日お急ぎ便 frequently. I couldn't find it defined anywhere, so I'm not 100% certain that it is "same-day delivery" and not "next-day delivery", so please  update if I've got it wrong.

Agreed.

i think the meaning of this entry is sufficiently obvious.  not even eijiro bothers with a headword for it

http://www.doumori.com/bbs_wi-fi/show.php?kiji_id=426367  
http://chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/tag/tags.php?tag=一人一つ　　
http://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1024799100

In searching for this, it seems that it is often used as part of 一人一つずつ, but it is used often enough without the　ずつ that I think it deserves an entry as just 一人一つ.  It also seems like it may be used as an adverb as well (一人一つ上げてください) but I'm not confident enough in my parts of speech to be sure :-)

Thread has been forked.

gg5, prog, luminous
prog: 彼の身振りはへそが茶を沸かすほどおかしかった  His funny gestures threw us into a fit of laughter.／We split our sides at his funny gestures.
へそで茶を沸かす	2,202		
へそで茶をわかす	1,066		
臍で茶を沸かす	390		
臍で茶をわかす	0
---
へそで茶を	9,829		
へそが茶を	1,627

This should be aligned with へそが茶を沸かす.
The above prog example shows that it's not just an exclamation. We should probably have two senses.
へそで茶を沸かす appears to be significantly more common than へそが茶を沸かす. I think we can drop the x-ref from this entry.
I think back-references are helpful for editing purposes but not so helpful for learners. And they'd introduce a lot of clutter on some entries.

@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@
-<keb>へそで茶をわかす</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -13,0 +11,4 @@
+<keb>へそで茶をわかす</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -20,0 +23,6 @@
+<misc>&id;</misc>
+<gloss>what a joke!</gloss>
+<gloss>don't make me laugh!</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -22 +29,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2830220">へそが茶を沸かす</xref>
@@ -24,2 +31,2 @@
-<gloss>to do something ridiculous</gloss>
-<gloss>to do something bizarre</gloss>
+<gloss>to split one sides laughing</gloss>
+<gloss>to be convulsed with laughter</gloss>

I agree with Robin.
I suggest contacting Kim at Jisho about the back-references.

koj: おかしくてたまらないことにいう。「臍が茶を沸かす」「臍が宿がえする」「臍がくねる」ともいう。
daijs: おかしくてたまらない，ばかばかしいほど滑稽である，笑止千万である，などの意にいう。臍が宿替えする。臍が茶を沸かす。

Do they have different nuances? The kokugos treat them as synonymous. These glosses don't look right to me.

Adding an xref; There was already a reference in the other direction.

These expressions seem about equally popular, strongly related, but with significantly different nuances.  I can *easily* see how someone could search for へそが..., or へそで... base on something they have read, and find one term but not the other.

Usually it doesn't seem a great loss that jisho.org doesn't display backwards references, but this feels like an exception.

@@ -21,0 +22,2 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2830220">へそが茶を沸かす</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2830220">へそが茶を沸かす</xref>

gg5, prog, luminous

Brian's edit created a fork but I'll reject the other thread to preserve the comments on this one.
My edit was similar to Brian's but I don't think we need more than two senses.
I think we now only use [int] for short exclamations.

@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@
-<keb>へそで茶をわかす</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -13,0 +11,4 @@
+<keb>へそで茶をわかす</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -20 +21,0 @@
-<pos>&int;</pos>
@@ -22,0 +24 @@
+<gloss>what a joke!</gloss>
@@ -24,3 +25,0 @@
-<gloss>and pigs might fly</gloss>
-<gloss>that's absurd</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="lit">to boil tea with one's navel ( using heat generated by excessive laughter )</gloss>
@@ -31,11 +29,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="1471740">馬鹿馬鹿しい・ばかばかしい</xref>
-<misc>&id;</misc>
-<gloss>to ludicrous</gloss>
-<gloss>to be asinine</gloss>
-<gloss>to be so absurd you want to laugh</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&exp;</pos>
-<pos>&v5s;</pos>
-<pos>&vi;</pos>
@@ -44,0 +33 @@
+<gloss g_type="lit">to boil tea with one's navel (using the heat generated by laughing)</gloss>

Just a quick comment about "jisho.org doesn't display backwards references". You are only seeing them here because you are getting a maintenance view of a fairly complex relational database. The distributed dictionary file (jmdict.xml) only contains forward references. AFAIK no app tries to do backward ones - it would be very difficult to implement.

英語で「へそが茶を沸かす」は何ていうか翻訳家さんに聞いてみました
https://eicolsyo.com/hesogatya1/

prefers で, list が as synonym
https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/臍で茶を沸かす

A whole novel about just this expression, and how が used to be considered correct, then it changed to で due to misunderstandings and/or logical grammaticality, and now で is correct and が should be considered an error. (but people still use が　too much)
https://reibuncnt.jp/25008

listed under で, 「臍が茶を沸かす」とも。
https://kotowaza-dictionary.jp/k0034/


Curiously, sankoku lists this item under が with で as subordinate:
headword へそが茶を沸かす：
笑いが止まらないほど非常におかしい。へそで茶を沸かす

comic series title using で
https://booklive.jp/product/index/title_id/1061620/vol_no/001



へそで茶を沸かす	2202	41.3%
へそで茶をわかす	1066	20.0%
臍で茶を沸かす	390	7.3%
臍で茶をわかす	0	0.0%

へそが茶を沸かす	1097	20.6%
臍が茶を沸かす	323	6.1%
へそが茶をわかす	233	4.4%
臍が茶をわかす	24	0.4%

https://meaning-book.com/blog/20181214135205.html
「臍で茶を沸かす」には、「面白かったり滑稽だったりして笑ってしまう」という意味もあるのですが、「まともに相手する価値がないほど馬鹿馬鹿しいために失笑する」という意味もあります。
google translate: "Boil tea with the navel" has the meaning of "laughing because it is funny or comical", but it also means "laughing because it is so ridiculous that it is not worth dealing with seriously".

Koyata's Japanese Proverb Lesson #5: へそで茶を沸かす。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juul3EXBfHg
Suggested English gloss "Don't make me laugh!"

Not generally prefixed with a subject:
はへそで茶を沸かす	40
がへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
なへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
のへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
にへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
をへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
するへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
とへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
やへそで茶を沸かす	No matches
でへそで茶を沸かす	No matches

https://dime.jp/genre/1162444/
「へそで茶を沸かす（ばかばかしくてまともに取り合えない様子）」

https://ja.wiktionary.org/wiki/臍で茶を沸かす#:~:text=面白くて大笑いすること,馬鹿馬鹿しく感じること。
1. 面白くて大笑いすること。
2. 馬鹿馬鹿しく感じること。


ヘソが茶を沸かす: only two senses for synonyms:
笑いたくなるほど馬鹿馬鹿しいさま 
くだらない内容の話に対して言う表現
https://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/ヘソが茶を沸かす

Also agree with Robin on these being synonyms.

Took a stab at this.  This entry で seems to be the "most correct" (and most common) form. I think the other entry should be merged here, deleted, or be replaced minimally with [see=this-entry].

Looking around, the "subject" such as it is, is often introduced as なになに　なんて。。。It can be used to describe a piece of information, with or without (ような) (話、こと）, can be followed with ほど or くらい.　　Another "adj" usage, for example　レベル: 自民党が駄目でも野党が輪をかけて駄目な状態で、全員とかへそで茶を沸かすレベル。

On twitter there are a surprising number of posts ending in 
へそで茶を沸かすわｗ
Is this a feminine exclamation? 

This is structurally a verbal, but seems relatively rarely inflected, though it is used in the past tense ("I laughed"(at the absurdity, or because it was very funny)). This is also such a whimsical expression, that you will find in て form to play with it.  Just a few I picked out:
へそで茶を沸かしてティータイムですねw☕️  

「統一教会」「国葬」・・・岸田首相のおかげで臍が茶を沸かして大火傷。救急車を呼ばなければ・・・　

..！臍で茶沸かしてぶぶ漬けして食べなはれって言いたいどすな！

ちょっと臍で茶を沸かしてもいいですか？ (Said after quoting something absurd claims)

臍で茶を沸かした水蒸気でタービンを回せば電力問題も解決だ(錯乱)　（If the steam from the tea boiled off your belly powered a turbine, you could solve our power problems)

With regards to the 馬鹿馬鹿しい xref, I've seen it used in a number of definitions/explanations. It's so well-known by Japanese students that I think it has more explanatory value than whatever gloss I might provide.

I'll leave this here for now, I'm sure what I've done will need corrections/modifications, so thank you in advance.

Ah, final note: "in one's navel" vs "with one's navel"... image search makes this clear.  A tea pot is literally placed on top of the protruding, overheated navel. So this is "on", not "in".

@@ -19,0 +20,9 @@
+<pos>&int;</pos>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<misc>&id;</misc>
+<gloss>don't make me laugh!</gloss>
+<gloss>and pigs might fly</gloss>
+<gloss>that's absurd</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="lit">to boil tea with one's navel ( using heat generated by excessive laughter )</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
@@ -22 +31,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2830220">へそが茶を沸かす</xref>
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1471740">馬鹿馬鹿しい・ばかばかしい</xref>
@@ -24,3 +34,11 @@
-<gloss>to do something ridiculous</gloss>
-<gloss>to do something bizarre</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="lit">to boil tea in one's navel</gloss>
+<gloss>to ludicrous</gloss>
+<gloss>to be asinine</gloss>
+<gloss>to be so absurd you want to laugh</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<misc>&id;</misc>
+<gloss>to split one's sides laughing</gloss>
+<gloss>to be convulsed with laughter</gloss>

I agree with Robin.
I suggest contacting Kim at Jisho about the back-references.

Only 78 results (bing).

http://homepage3.nifty.com/miyak/article.html　　
http://www.ryuusenkaku.jp/navi/200610.html

This could also be an extra meaning for 一面, but it seemed different enough for its own entry.  There's also 一面の雲 and 一面雲.

Previously an entry (1612380) that was deleted (A+B and few 
hits (ca 400 (b)). Winnie, just because a phrase is given as 
a translation of an English expression in a Eng-Jap 
dictionary doesn't mean the word/expression has a place in a 
Jap-Eng dictionary. The Japanese adv+verb combination that 
best describes an English expression will many times not 
necessarily be a common expression in Japanese.

http://glosbe.com/ja/en/噛み付く  
http://ja.bab.la/辞書/英語-日本語/sink-one-s-teeth-into  
http://toeic-kyouzai.net/ta_contents.php?jword=がぶりと噛み付く[がぶりとかみつく]  
http://ja.w3dictionary.org/index.php?q=がぶりと噛み付く

Eijiro

I wonder why those refs have it. It's a fairly straight inflection of 並ぶ.

http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/ならんで  
http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/並んで

nikk, 12k (b)

200k hits. Supporting  pictures.

@@ -5,1 +5,4 @@
-<reb>ヒヒーン、ひひいん</reb>
+<reb>ヒヒーン</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ひひいん</reb>
@@ -10,1 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>neigh, the sound made by a horse</gloss>
+<gloss>neigh</gloss>
+<gloss>whinny</gloss>

e.g. japanesepod101.com, Onomatopoeia lesson 2

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<pos>&exp;</pos>
@@ -12 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>No Left Turn!</gloss>
+<s_inf>on signage, etc.</s_inf>
+<gloss>no left turn</gloss>

Eijiro

See below.

You have the following:-

右折禁止 【うせつきんし】 (n) No Right Turn!

I guessed that you would like the "Left" equivalent.

they have the same headword and the same reading.  that's 2/3.  they have to be merged.

http://www.amazon.co.jp/REDECKER-レデッカー-ヘアーリムーバー-毛取り/dp/B00264Q3PY  
http://www.amazon.co.jp/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_ja_JP=カタカナ&url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=疣取り&rh=i:aps,k:疣取り  
http://www.amazon.co.jp/Henckels-ヘンケルス-14800-000-ニキビとり/dp/B00022URCM

This seemed different enough from the existing entry for 取り to be a separate entry.  This is the suffix usage as in 疣取り (wart remover) or 毛取り (hair remover) or ニキビ取り (pimple remover).