GG5,etc.

Many different versions of the sense splits here.

daijr daijs

@@ -23,1 +23,30 @@
-<gloss>to slacken</gloss>
+<gloss>to slacken (e.g. rope)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5m;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to become less tense</gloss>
+<gloss>to relax</gloss>
+<gloss>to let one's guard down</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5m;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to slacken (e.g. coldness, supervision)</gloss>
+<gloss>to become lax</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5m;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to become softer (e.g. ground, facial expression)</gloss>
+<gloss>(of ice) to partially melt</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5m;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>to decrease (e.g. speed)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5m;</pos>
+<pos>&vi;</pos>
+<gloss>(of a market price) to go down slightly</gloss>

i agree.

弛む is already there as たるむ/たゆむ with the same meaning. It could be merged, but really I think it might be  a bit messy.

lots of hits

sorted by hits

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>住みつく</keb>

daijisen

@@ -29 +29 @@
-<gloss>paper patch</gloss>
+<gloss>paper patch attached to something</gloss>
@@ -31 +30,0 @@
-<gloss>poster</gloss>
@@ -33,0 +33,5 @@
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>notice</gloss>
+<gloss>poster</gloss>

daij

@@ -14,0 +14,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>張紙</keb>

〈張（り）／貼（り）／はり〉〈出／だ〉す

Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 張り出す │ 25,270 │ 77.2% │
│ 貼り出す │  4,600 │ 14.1% │
│ 貼りだす │  1,006 │  3.1% │ - add, sK
│ 張りだす │    466 │  1.4% │ - add, sK
│ 張出す　 │    371 │  1.1% │ - sK
│ はり出す │    330 │  1.0% │ - add, sK
│ 貼出す　 │      0 │  0.0% │
│ はりだす │    690 │  2.1% │
╰─ーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯

@@ -11 +11 @@
-<keb>張出す</keb>
+<keb>貼り出す</keb>
@@ -14 +14,14 @@
-<keb>貼り出す</keb>
+<keb>張出す</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>張りだす</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>貼りだす</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>はり出す</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -24 +36,0 @@
-<stagk>張出す</stagk>

daijr, daijs, meikyo

@@ -10,0 +10,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>張出す</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>貼り出す</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -17,0 +23,2 @@
+<stagk>張り出す</stagk>
+<stagk>張出す</stagk>
@@ -19,3 +27,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2015730">貼り出す</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="2015730">貼り出す</xref>
-<gloss>to put up a notice</gloss>
@@ -23,0 +28,2 @@
+<gloss>to overhang</gloss>
+<gloss>to stick out</gloss>
@@ -24,0 +31,7 @@
+<gloss>to overlie</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&v5s;</pos>
+<pos>&vt;</pos>
+<gloss>to put up (a notice)</gloss>
+<gloss>to post</gloss>

daij

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>張裂ける</keb>

daij, sorted by hits

@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>彫りつける</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,1 +11,1 @@
-<keb>彫りつける</keb>
+<keb>彫付ける</keb>

accidental self-approval, reopen

@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -23,0 +25 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

G n-grams:
 貼り付ける	1065317
 貼付ける 	62956
 貼りつける	25059
 張り付ける	37401
 張りつける	10176
 張付ける 	1384

not strict frequency order on purpose

@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@
-<keb>張り付ける</keb>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
@@ -14,0 +12,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>張り付ける</keb>

Many examples, including the Tanaka corpus.

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>粒より</keb>

130 hits, mostly edict and false positives

90 hits, almost all edict

koj, daijs

split by pos

@@ -10,0 +10,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>昔堅気</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -14,1 +17,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
@@ -16,1 +18,0 @@
-<gloss>old-fashioned</gloss>
@@ -20,0 +21,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<gloss>old-fashioned</gloss>
+</sense>

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>昔かたぎ</keb>
@@ -13,1 +16,3 @@
-<gloss>the old-fashioned spirit</gloss>
+<gloss>old-fashioned</gloss>
+<gloss>old-fashioned way of thinking</gloss>
+<gloss>old-fashioned spirit</gloss>

mentioned in the Japanese wikipedia article on 手本引き

http://l-pollett.tripod.com/cards70.htm
mentioned in the 1991 novel "仁義" by 青山光ニ (on google books) 「これでー」張ってくださいと一面(六枚一 組)の張札を渡し、シあけた。シと十畳の座敷
の境の裸を取りはらった広間に、三 十人ばかりの客が盆布を囲んで巫り、約欄豪華な手本引きの勝負がたけなわで ...

https://www.mercari.com/jp/items/m75582718987/
this mercari listing contains Nintendo-published harifuda (the word appears under the Napoleon portrait in pictures 2, 3)

in theory sense 2 could prob be written as はり札 but I've never come across it written like that.

@@ -24,0 +25,7 @@
+<sense>
+<stagk>張り札</stagk>
+<stagk>張札</stagk>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2846434">手本引き</xref>
+<gloss>harifuda (type of playing cards numbered 1-6; used for playing tehonbiki)</gloss>
+</sense>

daij, sorted by google hits

@@ -4,0 +4,6 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>はり札</keb>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>貼り札</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,1 +14,1 @@
-<keb>貼り札</keb>
+<keb>張札</keb>

daij

@@ -8,0 +8,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>置忘れる</keb>

delete--merge

Entry created

daijr

@@ -11,1 +11,1 @@
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-pn;</pos>

Entry created

@@ -10,2 +10,2 @@
-<s_inf>usu. at sentence end</s_inf>
-<gloss>although (with nuance of strong discontent)</gloss>
+<s_inf>usu. at sentence end; with nuance of strong discontent</s_inf>
+<gloss>although</gloss>
@@ -14 +14 @@
-<gloss>I wish ....</gloss>
+<gloss>I wish that</gloss>

AFAIC, I think so.  I didn't notice there had been a new comment on it.

Happy new year.

OK to close this one now?

I agree, re: "it is not idiomatic" - that is exactly the reason why i raised this 
issue. :-) I have the feeling you may have missed my point: it is not my aim to 
account for all possible parsings but (since no algorithm can, quite 
understandably, parse as competently as knowledgeable humans do) to 
mitigate the fact that the database habitually offers up this idiomatic 
expression (the only sense currently listed) which in most cases is simply 
wrong. If all this can be expressed without going into the details i previously 
suggested, then i'd be very happy - as it stands, what comes up seems to me 
worse than no result at all.
IOW, what i think needs to be said (in some way) is, "in most cases this has no 
meaning beyond its standard grammatical function, but in some cases, 
especially if at the end of a sentence, it can mean the following: ..." - even 
just a CODE pointing to such an explanation would be useful (there are more 
expressions in the database that i'd like to see looked after in the same 
manner)
Ah, and by the way, "Happy New Year!"...

I don't think it's possible or desirable to cater to every possible parsing of the 
dictionary's entries.
もの+を in the senses listed above is not idiomatic, and it's better parsed by 
our two existing entries for もの and を rather than trying to force them 
together unnaturally into this entry

@@ -10,0 +10,4 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>マシコ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/>
+</r_ele>
@@ -17,1 +21,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1177390">猿</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1177390">猿・1</xref>

Entry created

新和英中辞典 (supports the sense split.)

daijr daijs
http://eow.alc.co.jp/中ぶらりん/UTF-8/?ref=wl

@@ -20,0 +20,8 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&adj-na;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<gloss>pending</gloss>
+<gloss>half done</gloss>
+<gloss>in limbo</gloss>
+<gloss>indecisive</gloss>
+</sense>

koj

@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>中ぶらりん</keb>

Entry created

Good suggestions.Yes, just "exp" is safest.

@@ -13,0 +13,2 @@
+<gloss>curiously enough</gloss>
+<gloss>oddly enough</gloss>

... methinks "curiously enough", "oddly enough", "surprisingly enough" 
capture the common usage quite well... :-)
And the 用例 cited by Scott shows why someone labeled it "adv": in 上達が不思
議なほど早い  (analogously, 上達が不思議なくらい早い) these expressions 
_function_ as adverbs (we should remember that grammarians may 
distinguish between "word class" and "function"- there are many expressions 
that are not, according to their class, adjectives or adverbs but that function 
as such in certain contexts)

OK. Adding those others from Scott. I'll also suggest an entry for 不思議なほど

@@ -13,0 +13,2 @@
+<gloss>to the point of being mysterious</gloss>
+<gloss>to the extent of being strange</gloss>

it seems idiomatic enough to be worth keeping

@@ -11,1 +11,1 @@
-<pos>&adv;</pos>
+<pos>&exp;</pos>

This is 不思議＋な＋くらい. It's the same as 不思議なほど and it means "to point of being mysterious; to the extent of being strange" E.g.　上達が不思議なほど早い Ｐrogress will be surprisingly fast

(from http://www.amazon.co.jp/上達が不思議なほど早い-右脳-英語「超聴き」トレーニング-知的生きかた文庫-斉藤/dp/4837974104)

It's pretty obvious and I don't think that it should be an entry

@@ -15,1 +15,1 @@
-<gloss>(psych) overcoming barries</gloss>
+<gloss>overcoming barriers (psych.)</gloss>

http://eprints.lib.hokudai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2115/11952/1/12(3)_p211-
221.pdf
New refs:
http://borderstudies.jp/program/mission/
http://www.waseda.jp/student/award/ono/2008sinsahoukoku.pdf

* My previous ref 2 is as above (Google had messed that up)
* "breaking down boundaries" would seem better to me than "breaking down 
borders" ("borders" are included in "boundaries", but not the other way around) 
* sorry about the Chinese reference: their 脱境 is 脱文脈化 in Japanese, and i've 
added that to this database now

@@ -14,1 +14,2 @@
-<gloss>breaking down borders</gloss>
+<gloss>breaking down boundaries</gloss>
+<gloss>(psych) overcoming barries</gloss>

ref 1=透脱+境, refs 2 and 6 don't work, ref 3 is chinese, and ref 5 doesn't have it 
with this meaning

it's not in gg5, but it does get some legitimate hits.  i don't know how to word 
this in english.  "breaking down borders"? "overcoming barriers"?

@@ -11,0 +11,1 @@
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -12,2 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>decontextualization</gloss>
-<gloss>decontextualisation</gloss>
+<misc>&obsc;</misc>
+<gloss>breaking down borders</gloss>

http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/leaf/idiom/山高水長/m0u/さ/
http://eprints.lib.hokudai.ac.jp/dspace/bitstream/2115/.../1/15(2)_P103-
115.pdf
http://www.etc.edu.cn/articledigest38/jiaoyujishu.htm
http://textinformation.seesaa.net/article/146530778.html 
http://extinformation.seesaa.net/category/1468243-1.html
and many more

No J-E dictionary entries found online - would someone kindly check GG5 for 
added info?

Dropping the "na" will occur.

@@ -8,1 +8,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>

@@ -8,0 +8,1 @@
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>

daijs

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<pos>&exp;</pos>

koj
けんじゃ‐の‐いし【賢者の石】
...「哲学者の石」ともいう。

gets a bunch of hits

koj, daij, wiki

koj

koj

Done.

Jim, this is for ENAMDIC, and instead of [n] it would get [s,f] for (1) and [p] for (2)

koj, daij

daij, meikyo, gg5

koj, daij

daij, eij

koj, daij, meikyo

koj, daij, meikyo

koj, daij, meikyo

新和英中辞典, ルミナス和英辞典, Eijiro

All the JE refs have "dub" as the main gloss.

@@ -22,1 +22,1 @@
-<gloss>to remint</gloss>
+<gloss>to dub</gloss>
@@ -27,1 +27,1 @@
-<gloss>to dub</gloss>
+<gloss>to remint</gloss>

koj, daij

koj, daij, wi1

daij, koj

@@ -19 +19 @@
-<gloss>recording</gloss>
+<gloss>recording (audio)</gloss>

koj, daij, gg5

koj, daij, gg5

koj, daij

koj, daij, meikyo

koj, daij

46,900 それとはなしに
 2,250 其れとはなしに

Mark [uk] (usually kana) – as with other 其れ etc., overwhelmingly written as kana.

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>

koj, daij

daij

@@ -15 +15 @@
-<gloss>infusion</gloss>
+<gloss>infusion (remedy)</gloss>

koj, daij, gg5

koj, daij

The mind boggles.

wiki

Meikyo vt and vi additions to n,vs entries
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<pos>&vi;</pos>

GG5

@@ -12,1 +12,4 @@
-<gloss>change, transform</gloss>
+<pos>&vs;</pos>
+<gloss>change</gloss>
+<gloss>metamorphosis</gloss>
+<gloss>transformation</gloss>

http://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/大化け
%E3%81%99%E3%82%8B

hits

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<pos>&vs;</pos>

http://www.soc.hit-u.ac.jp/~decontext/about.html
http://gskim.blog102.fc2.com/blog-entry-18.html
http://www.ia.inf.shizuoka.ac.jp/~isarida/personal/Proceedings/EPA02.PDF
and more...

Also in WI2

gets 280 real hits.  i'm not sure if it's needed, especially if 文脈化 is added.  the 
english word is not likely to be looked up ("recontextualization" is not in the 
english dictionary either)

http://wackie.tea-nifty.com/blog/cat93867/index.html
http://www.soc.hit-u.ac.jp/research/thesis/doctor/?
choice=exam&thesisID=220
http://ree-takeuchi.com/modules/wordpress/attach/MAXQDA_ver1.0.pdf
http://www.fasid.or.jp/sig_blog/archives/SIG-MODe_100203.pdf
and more...

Sufficiently acculturated people will, of course, not need this entry, since for 
them 再+文脈+化 is obvious, but for everybody else i think it is useful. :-)

eij/wi1, wiki

@@ -12,0 +12,1 @@
+<pos>&vs;</pos>

http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/コンテクスチュアリゼーション
http://www.eth.med.osaka-u.ac.jp/OJ6/tai.pdf
http://homepage3.nifty.com/rac/05ar/04/0401.html
and many more

In case someone thinks it worthwhile to point out that 文脈化 is nothing more 
than the obvious combination of 文脈 with 化 and thus does not warrant an 
entry, let me say this:
1) I agree (if you see it strictly from a J-E perspective) 
2) I don't think that something being obvious means it should not be in a 
dictionary - in fact, if it wasn't for the vast amount of - to the experienced 
user - obvious items in this and other databases (especially EIJIRO comes to 
mind), many of us would still be stuck at the textbook level of language 
learning - "obviousness" means, after all, "pattern reinforcement" and 
"psychological reassurance", both of which are vitally important for successful 
language education (even if this perhaps not obvious to the more technically 
minded and already fluent linguist);
3) (bonus point) I suspect i am not the only user of JEDIC who regularly uses it 
as EJDIC. :-) Why? Because there is at present no comparable EJDIC out there, 
but some of us (for whatever reason - for example, because we live in Japan) 
not only have to understand Japanese text but also produce Japanese text, 
and i, for one, am most grateful that JEDIC has turned out to be one of the 
tools that i can use for that purpose. In this context (no pun intended) it is 
_also_ useful to have such "obvious" expressions in the database... :-)

Appears to be [arch]. Not in the JEs or meikyo.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<misc>&arch;</misc>

koj, daij, wi1

koj, daijr, daijs

koj, daij, wi1

着付ける	7568
着つける	746

@@ -22 +22 @@
-<gloss>to be used to wearing</gloss>
+<gloss>to get used to wearing</gloss>

@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>着つける</keb>

daij

daij

koj, daij, gg5

daij, gg5, wi1

koj,daijs

koj, daijr, daijs

daij

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<field>&food;</field>

daij

koj

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<field>&food;</field>

wiki

@@ -14,0 +15 @@
+<field>&food;</field>

ケサディーヤ	2283
ケサディージャ	806
ケサディラ	110

Marginal

www hits

@@ -9,0 +10,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ケサディラ</reb>
+</r_ele>

@@ -11,0 +12 @@
+<field>&food;</field>

@@ -13 +13,2 @@
-<gloss>frijoles, refried beans</gloss>
+<gloss>frijoles</gloss>
+<gloss>refried beans</gloss>

Wikipedia

@@ -13 +13 @@
-<gloss>frijoles</gloss>
+<gloss>frijoles, refried beans</gloss>

daij, wiki

gg5, wiki, etc.

@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>toasted garlic bread</gloss>

wiki, gg5

wiki

wiki

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<field>&food;</field>

daij

パニーニ	46,687		
パニーノ	7,663

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2600850">パニーニ</xref>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panini_(sandwich)

In English it's usually "panini" (which is the plural form in Italian).

@@ -10,0 +11 @@
+<gloss>panini</gloss>

@@ -8,0 +9 @@
+<field>&food;</field>

Adding spec1
-*- via bulkupd.py -*-

@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>

@@ -1,3 +1,2 @@
-<ent_seq>2445080</ent_seq>
-<ent_corp>jmdict</ent_corp>
+<ent_corp>jmnedict</ent_corp>
@@ -7,3 +5,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ヌテッラ</reb>
-</r_ele>
@@ -11 +7 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&product;</misc>

wiki

@@ -4,0 +4,3 @@
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ヌテラ</reb>
+</r_ele>