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《orig. ksb て-inflection of 言う》 ▶ that said ▶ that being said |
5. | A 2021-10-29 00:37:24 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | How's this? |
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Diff: | @@ -18 +18 @@ -<s_inf>irreg. て-inflection of 言う</s_inf> +<s_inf>orig. ksb て-inflection of 言う</s_inf> |
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4. | A* 2021-10-21 22:20:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | How's this? I don't think the xref is needed. It would be good to get closure on this. |
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Diff: | @@ -17,0 +18 @@ +<s_inf>irreg. て-inflection of 言う</s_inf> |
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3. | A* 2021-09-30 04:01:09 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Read the rest of the Nikkei article, apparently the intonation is not the same as in ksb: "SNSを介して広がったことの裏付けとなり得るのがアクセントだ。関西で使われる「言うて」は1音目の「ゆ」が高いのに対し、若者言葉のゆうてには 高い音がない。字面だけがネットで広まり、独自のアクセントで読みあげられるようになった。" interesting/odd |
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2. | A* 2021-09-30 03:45:14 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | https://www.nikkei.com/article/DGXMZO50734640Y9A001C1AA1P00/ "「ゆうて」という言葉をご存じだろうか。「そうは言っても」との意味を持つ若者言葉で、関西弁から派生した表現である可能性が高い。最近は関西弁の影響を受け た若者言葉が増えているとされる。理由を探った。 東京都出身の記者(27)がゆうてを初めて耳にしたのは大学生のころ。友人たちが多用するようになって面食らった。「あした提出の課題、全然終わってない」「ゆ うてオールすればワンチャンいける(そうは言っても徹夜して頑張れば何とかなる)」。自分が使うには抵抗を感じたものの、いまではすっかり聞き慣れてしまっ た。" |
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Comments: | I'm not sure the filler note is needed (based on the description in the Nikkei article) I'm a little "weirded out" by this (for lack of a better word) because ゆうて is orig. Kansai-ben of 言って, something I hear often, but I've never heard it used like described above. I don't want to add every single sense from 言う and try and give them conjugated glosses, what a nightmare of an entry that'd be, but if we allowed for entries without definitions (which I think is planned for JMdict 2.0?) I'd like to add a sense that looked something like this: [1][exp][ksb] [note="te-conjugation of 言う][see=言う] (where the xref is to all senses of いう) |
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Diff: | @@ -11,0 +12 @@ +<re_nokanji/> @@ -17 +17,0 @@ -<s_inf>oft. used as a filler word</s_inf> |
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1. | A* 2021-09-23 05:25:22 Opencooper | |
Refs: | * jitsuyō: https://www.weblio.jp/content/ゆうて |