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[exp,adj-i]
[uk]
《after the past tense form of a verb》 ▶ has never (done, occurred) ▶ there has never been an instance (where) ▶ there is no precedent (for) |
11. | A 2023-09-20 21:32:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
10. | A* 2023-09-20 19:26:01 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | た〈例(し)/試(し)/ためし/タメシ〉が〈無/な〉い Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮ │ た試しがない │ 32,364 │ 27.1% │ │ た例がない │ 7,516 │ 6.3% │ │ た試しが無い │ 6,209 │ 5.2% │ │ たためしが無い │ 5,244 │ 4.4% │ - add, sK │ た例が無い │ 1,826 │ 1.5% │ │ た例しがない │ 791 │ 0.7% │ - add, sK │ た試がない │ 490 │ 0.4% │ - add, sK │ た例しが無い │ 128 │ 0.1% │ │ たタメシが無い │ 84 │ 0.1% │ │ た試が無い │ 72 │ 0.1% │ │ たためしがない │ 64,257 │ 53.8% │ │ たタメシがない │ 465 │ 0.4% │ ╰─ーーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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Diff: | @@ -15,0 +16,4 @@ +<keb>ためしが無い</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> @@ -16,0 +21,8 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>例しがない</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>試がない</keb> |
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9. | A* 2023-09-20 19:19:14 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | gg5 た例がない 7,516 7.2% た試しがない 32,364 31.1% たためしがない 64,257 61.7% --- たためしがない 64,257 ためしがない 66,331 |
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Comments: | The 例がない count is mostly れいがない. Despite being wrong, 試し is much more common than 例. Virtually always after a past-tense verb. |
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Diff: | @@ -7,0 +8,4 @@ +<keb>試しがない</keb> +<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> @@ -8,0 +13,4 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>試しが無い</keb> @@ -18,3 +26,4 @@ -<gloss>is never the case</gloss> -<gloss>has never happened</gloss> -<gloss>without precedent</gloss> +<s_inf>after the past tense form of a verb</s_inf> +<gloss>has never (done, occurred)</gloss> +<gloss>there has never been an instance (where)</gloss> +<gloss>there is no precedent (for)</gloss> |
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8. | A* 2023-09-20 09:39:28 Marcus Richert | |
Diff: | @@ -8,0 +9 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> |
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7. | A* 2023-09-20 09:05:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | https://context.reverso.net/translation/japanese-english/試しがない https://context.reverso.net/translation/japanese-english/例がない 実用: 先例がない、前例がない、過去にそういうことをしたことがない、などの意味の表現。 例がない 70757 例が無い 10632 ためしがない 66331 |
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Comments: | Very interesting. Could well be we've had the wrong one. The [uk] should probably come off here. And 試しがない is probably worth its own entry. When I checked the (linked) Tanaka sentence "気の弱い男が美女を得たためしがない。 Faint heart never won fair lady. " with MeCab/Unidic it reported that the ためし was 試し. Food for thought. |
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Diff: | @@ -18,0 +19 @@ +<gloss>without precedent</gloss> |
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