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前門の虎、後門の狼前門の虎後門の狼 [sK]
ぜんもんのとら、こうもんのおおかみ
1. [exp] [id]
▶ between the devil and the deep sea
▶ out of the frying pan into the fire
▶ [lit] a tiger at the front gate, a wolf at the back gate
Cross references:
  ⇐ see: 2417290 後門の虎、前門の狼【こうもんのとら、ぜんもんのおおかみ】 1. between the devil and the deep sea; out of the frying pan into the fire; a tiger at the back gate, a wolf at the front gate



History:
12. A 2024-03-26 17:53:18  Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
11. A* 2024-03-26 03:16:58  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
https://github.com/JMdictProject/JMdictIssues/issues/122
  Comments:
Setting this up as an example of the approach developed in issue 122.
  Diff:
@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>前門の虎後門の狼</keb>
+<keb>前門の虎、後門の狼</keb>
@@ -8 +8,2 @@
-<keb>前門の虎、後門の狼</keb>
+<keb>前門の虎後門の狼</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -11 +12 @@
-<reb>ぜんもんのとらこうもんのおおかみ</reb>
+<reb>ぜんもんのとら、こうもんのおおかみ</reb>
10. A 2022-08-24 04:04:51  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Apologies - I didn't look hard enough at Stephen's proposal. I agree we shouldn't be using such fragments as "rK" forms, at least at this stage.
9. A* 2022-08-24 00:45:26  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Whether or not we want to use search-only forms in this way, I don't think it's safe to do so as long as they're included with the other forms. Many sites/apps don't support the new tags yet. Some probably never will.
For the next generation of JMDict, I'd like to see search-only forms handled separately (i.e. in a different part of the XML). Then we can at least consider ideas like this.
And I agree with Marcus regarding the n-grams. The fact that both 前門の虎 and 後門の狼 have nearly identical counts suggests that they're almost always used together. Online search results appear to confirm this.
  Diff:
@@ -9,16 +8,0 @@
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>前門の虎</keb>
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>後門の狼</keb>
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>前門のとら</keb>
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>後門のおおかみ</keb>
-<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
8. A* 2022-08-23 13:36:14  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I'm not sure we should be using sK for things like this? Feels like we could be opening up a can of worms here. The reason the individual parts get more hits in the ngrams is frequently a problem with the searchability of the ngrams rather than real evidence the individual parts are frequent on their own.
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