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jmdict 2654270 Active pending (parent: 2298722) (id: 2298778)

て； で
1. [prt,conj]
《forms plain conjunction; 1-7 become ～で after godan verbs ending in ぐ, む, ぶ or ぬ》
▶ and...
Cross references:
  ⇐ see: 2028980 で 5. and; then
2. [prt,conj]
《connects sentences in order of occurrence》
▶ and then...
3. [prt,conj]
《connects sentences in causal relation》
▶ and because of that...
4. [prt,conj]
《connects sentences in instrumental relation》
▶ and through that... (preceding sentence is the means by which following sentence takes place)
5. [prt,conj]
《forms contrastive conjunction》
▶ but...
6. [prt]
▶ [expl] used to connect verbs to auxiliary verbs or to form compound verbs
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 1577980 【いる】 3. to be ...-ing; to have been ...-ing
7. [prt] [col]
《used at sentence end》
▶ [expl] used to make a request



History:
8. A* 2024-04-21 19:39:24  Non
  Comments: 
Proposing adding で to readings to go along with the proposal of deleting the sense of the cross-reference leading here.
  Diff: 
@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>で</reb>
7. A* 2024-04-21 04:37:14  Non
  Refs: 
daijr, daijs
  Comments: 
Changed [aux] to [prt] as it is classed as a 接続助詞. Completely changing glossary as "Indicates continuing action" will likely lead anyone learning of this word through this entry to think of a continuous verb rather than a conjunction.
Senses are based on the references listed, mainly daijr, they are not absolutely exhaustive but these should be the main ones. I opted to make [1] what it is as most other senses can be imposed upon it by context.

If accepted, I would like to suggest deleting the 5th sense of the entry on ～で that leads here: it is same word and the changes to notes in this entry should make it unnecessary.
  Diff: 
@@ -8,4 +8,39 @@
-<pos>&aux;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で・5</xref>
-<s_inf>で after certain verb forms</s_inf>
-<gloss>indicates continuing action</gloss>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>forms plain conjunction; 1-7 become ～で after godan verbs ending in ぐ, む, ぶ or ぬ</s_inf>
+<gloss>and...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>connects sentences in order of occurrence</s_inf>
+<gloss>and then...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>connects sentences in causal relation</s_inf>
+<gloss>and because of that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>connects sentences in instrumental relation</s_inf>
+<gloss>and through that... (preceding sentence is the means by which following sentence takes place)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>forms contrastive conjunction</s_inf>
+<gloss>but...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1577980">いる・3</xref>
+<gloss g_type="expl">used to connect verbs to auxiliary verbs or to form compound verbs</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<s_inf>used at sentence end</s_inf>
+<gloss g_type="expl">used to make a request</gloss>
6. A 2011-08-22 00:51:06  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Diff: 
@@ -9,1 +9,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で・5</xref>
5. A 2011-08-22 00:30:20  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
I wonder about the "aux". UniDic has "助詞,接続助詞" for this. I guess "aux" covers a multitude of sins.
  Diff: 
@@ -9,0 +9,2 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
@@ -10,1 +12,1 @@
-<gloss>used to indicate continuing action</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates continuing action</gloss>
4. A* 2011-08-19 20:28:44  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
actually, come to think of it, れる and られる could be merged with a note.  they're already sufficiently well-documented.
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jmdict 2654270 Active pending (parent: 1074299) (id: 2298722)

て
1. [prt,conj]
《forms plain conjunction; 1-7 become ～で after godan verbs ending in ぐ, む, ぶ or ぬ》
▶ and...
Cross references:
  ⇐ see: 2028980 で 5. and; then
2. [prt,conj]
《connects sentences in order of occurrence》
▶ and then...
3. [prt,conj]
《connects sentences in causal relation》
▶ and because of that...
4. [prt,conj]
《connects sentences in instrumental relation》
▶ and through that... (preceding sentence is the means by which following sentence takes place)
5. [prt,conj]
《forms contrastive conjunction》
▶ but...
6. [prt]
▶ [expl] used to connect verbs to auxiliary verbs or to form compound verbs
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 1577980 【いる】 3. to be ...-ing; to have been ...-ing
7. [prt] [col]
《used at sentence end》
▶ [expl] used to make a request



History:
7. A* 2024-04-21 04:37:14  Non
  Refs: 
daijr, daijs
  Comments: 
Changed [aux] to [prt] as it is classed as a 接続助詞. Completely changing glossary as "Indicates continuing action" will likely lead anyone learning of this word through this entry to think of a continuous verb rather than a conjunction.
Senses are based on the references listed, mainly daijr, they are not absolutely exhaustive but these should be the main ones. I opted to make [1] what it is as most other senses can be imposed upon it by context.

If accepted, I would like to suggest deleting the 5th sense of the entry on ～で that leads here: it is same word and the changes to notes in this entry should make it unnecessary.
  Diff: 
@@ -8,4 +8,39 @@
-<pos>&aux;</pos>
-<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で・5</xref>
-<s_inf>で after certain verb forms</s_inf>
-<gloss>indicates continuing action</gloss>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>forms plain conjunction; 1-7 become ～で after godan verbs ending in ぐ, む, ぶ or ぬ</s_inf>
+<gloss>and...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>connects sentences in order of occurrence</s_inf>
+<gloss>and then...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>connects sentences in causal relation</s_inf>
+<gloss>and because of that...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>connects sentences in instrumental relation</s_inf>
+<gloss>and through that... (preceding sentence is the means by which following sentence takes place)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
+<s_inf>forms contrastive conjunction</s_inf>
+<gloss>but...</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="1577980">いる・3</xref>
+<gloss g_type="expl">used to connect verbs to auxiliary verbs or to form compound verbs</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<s_inf>used at sentence end</s_inf>
+<gloss g_type="expl">used to make a request</gloss>
6. A 2011-08-22 00:51:06  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Diff: 
@@ -9,1 +9,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で・5</xref>
5. A 2011-08-22 00:30:20  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
I wonder about the "aux". UniDic has "助詞,接続助詞" for this. I guess "aux" covers a multitude of sins.
  Diff: 
@@ -9,0 +9,2 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
@@ -10,1 +12,1 @@
-<gloss>used to indicate continuing action</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates continuing action</gloss>
4. A* 2011-08-19 20:28:44  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
actually, come to think of it, れる and られる could be merged with a note.  they're already sufficiently well-documented.
3. A* 2011-08-19 20:06:48  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
they have to be merged because one is merely an alternate pronunciation of the other that occurs with certain verb forms. れる and られる are clearly more divergent than て and で.

in addition, there is already an existing entry for で, and we try to avoid having entries with identical headword/reading combos.
  Diff: 
@@ -7,3 +7,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>で</reb>
-</r_ele>
@@ -12,0 +9,1 @@
+<s_inf>で after certain verb forms</s_inf>
(show/hide 2 older log entries)

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jmdict 2654270 Active (id: 1074299)

て
1. [aux]
《で after certain verb forms》
▶ indicates continuing action
Cross references:
  ⇔ see: 2028980 で 5. and; then



History:
6. A 2011-08-22 00:51:06  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Diff: 
@@ -9,1 +9,1 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で・5</xref>
5. A 2011-08-22 00:30:20  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
I wonder about the "aux". UniDic has "助詞,接続助詞" for this. I guess "aux" covers a multitude of sins.
  Diff: 
@@ -9,0 +9,2 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2028980">で</xref>
@@ -10,1 +12,1 @@
-<gloss>used to indicate continuing action</gloss>
+<gloss>indicates continuing action</gloss>
4. A* 2011-08-19 20:28:44  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
actually, come to think of it, れる and られる could be merged with a note.  they're already sufficiently well-documented.
3. A* 2011-08-19 20:06:48  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
they have to be merged because one is merely an alternate pronunciation of the other that occurs with certain verb forms. れる and られる are clearly more divergent than て and で.

in addition, there is already an existing entry for で, and we try to avoid having entries with identical headword/reading combos.
  Diff: 
@@ -7,3 +7,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>で</reb>
-</r_ele>
@@ -12,0 +9,1 @@
+<s_inf>で after certain verb forms</s_inf>
2. A* 2011-08-19 18:15:40  Osamu Aoki <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
If these 2 needs to be merged as RENE suggested, I have no 
idea why れる・られる　or せる・させる are not merged.

All these require to follow complicated conjugation rule but 
the same word for each.

Criteria for an entity is a bit unclear.
  Diff: 
@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>で</reb>
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