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A 2020-07-11 03:31:17 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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if i remember correctly, my sense of the term (at least as of 10 years ago) was that it does (or did) indeed refer mostly to not aggressively pursuing women. so i think there's some truth in the 2nd sense but its negativity is overstated
the 2nd sense sounds something like "soy boy" in english, which i think no one would choose to identify as |
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A* 2020-07-10 06:45:58 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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To be frank, I simply don't know. It was proposed in 2010 and we let it in. Looking back at it, I think it's probably just a catty way of rewording sense 1. Perhaps it would be best dripped. |
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-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<misc>&sl;</misc>
-<gloss>man who pretends they aren't interested in women</gloss>
-<gloss>spineless male</gloss>
-<gloss>man with no balls</gloss>
-</sense> |
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A* 2020-07-10 02:48:16
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is the 2nd sense really correct? |
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@@ -22,2 +22,2 @@
-<gloss>men who don't adhere to traditional masculinity, esp. with women and careers</gloss>
-<gloss>herbivore men</gloss>
+<gloss>man who doesn't adhere to traditional masculinity, esp. with women and careers</gloss>
+<gloss>herbivore man</gloss>
@@ -29,3 +29,3 @@
-<gloss>men who pretend they aren't interested in women</gloss>
-<gloss>spineless males</gloss>
-<gloss>men with no balls</gloss>
+<gloss>man who pretends they aren't interested in women</gloss>
+<gloss>spineless male</gloss>
+<gloss>man with no balls</gloss> |
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A* 2020-07-10 00:28:22 Opencooper
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* "...who are rejecting traditional masculinity when it comes to romance, jobs and consumption..."
(https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-herbivores/japans-herbivore-men-shun-corporate-life-sex-
idUSTRE56Q0C220090727)
* "They are drawn to a quieter, less competitive life, focusing on family and friends — and eschewing the
macho ways of the traditional Japanese male." (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?
storyId=120696816)
* "[one herbivore]...believes the term describes a diverse group of men who have no desire to live up to
traditional social expectations in their relationships with women, their jobs, or anything else."
(https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2009/06/japan-panics-about-the-rise-of-herbivores-young-men-who-shun-
sex-don-t-spend-money-and-like-taking-walks.html) |
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How's this? |
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-<gloss>young men who are not competitive as in the traditional male stereotype, including in the avid pursuit of money and sex, and who may also be kind, co-operative and family-oriented</gloss>
+<gloss>men who don't adhere to traditional masculinity, esp. with women and careers</gloss> |
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A 2020-07-09 23:25:01 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Still too wordy. |
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A* 2020-07-09 08:07:21 Opencooper
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* 'Herbivore men' are why nobody's having sex in Japan (https://www.businessinsider.com/herbivore-men-in-
japan-are-not-having-sex-8-15)
* In Japan, 'Herbivore' Boys Subvert Ideas Of Manhood (https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?
storyId=120696816)
* Japan's 'herbivore men' -- less interested in sex, money
(https://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/06/05/japan.herbivore.men/index.html) |
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Please align the x-ref if accepted. Note we already have "herbivore" for 「草食系」. |
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+<gloss>herbivore men</gloss> |
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A 2015-09-09 01:07:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Really need a briefer sense 1 gloss. |
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A* 2015-09-08 08:10:35 David Chigusa <...address hidden...>
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Grammar correction. Changed "young men who are not competitive as in tradition male stereotypes" to "young men who are not competitive as in the traditional male stereotype" |
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-<gloss>young men who are not competitive as in tradition male stereotypes, including in the avid pursuit of money and sex, and who may also be kind, co-operative and family-oriented</gloss>
+<gloss>young men who are not competitive as in the traditional male stereotype, including in the avid pursuit of money and sex, and who may also be kind, co-operative and family-oriented</gloss> |
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A 2010-09-10 23:15:23 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, I'll remove the oK. I do see 裝飾男子 in a few non-Chinese pages. |
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-<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2010-09-09 19:09:50 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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dunno. i'm inclined to think it's not as offensive as "man with no balls", but
this might be a question for honyaku.
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also, is the oK headword really necessary here? i mean this is a term that's
less than five years old. it's ~never~ been written as 裝飾男子. all i see are
chinese results.
this is another problem with storing all the oK as opposed to generating them
on the fly |
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A* 2010-09-09 04:06:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Sense 1 or 2?
Anyway, let it go in? |
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A* 2010-09-09 02:06:54 Brandon Kentel
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>裝飾男子</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2010-09-09 00:57:04 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/草食男子#.E5.AE.9A.E7.BE.A9 |
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if more than 75% of those surveyed self-identify as 草食男子 i can't imagine the nuance would be that negative |
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A* 2010-09-08 23:01:14 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Submission (see rejected edit to 1610100). |
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I am just floating this for discussion. The submitter suggests that sense 1 is the official sanitized meaning, but sense 2 is what it really means. |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>men who pretend they aren't interested in women</gloss>
+<gloss>spineless males</gloss>
+<gloss>men with no balls</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A 2010-09-06 23:54:56 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2010-09-05 00:40:27 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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already exists as 2459100, although i think that version is iK. adding those kanji here and then suggesting it be deleted |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>装飾男子</keb>
+<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> |
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A* 2010-09-03 23:45:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Daijirin,ＫＯＤ追加語彙 |
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Abbr of 草食系男子. |