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A 2023-04-22 12:05:39 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2023-04-22 08:28:02 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
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葵の御紋 5414 71.9%
葵のご紋 2113 28.1%
Photo taken 2009
https://www.flickr.com/photos/rekishinotabi/3807554473
Gilded Tokugawa Family Crests-- Sō Mon
... Tokugawa Ieyasu moved it to its current site in 1598 as he began to build up the city of Edo. Zojo-ji became the patron temple of the Tokugawa and the final resting place for many of the shoguns—hence the temple and its gates are decorated with the hollyhock family crest of the Tokugawa clan.
For posterity, someone who used the GG5 gloss:
Tochigi Governor Fukuda of the launch of the Tokugawa design version of "Coca-Cola" Slim Bottle
...launched the Tokugawa design version of "Coca-Cola" Slim Bottle decorated with an iconic design of the wild ginger trefoil coat of arms of the Tokugawa clan.
https://en.ccbji.co.jp/event/20181002/ |
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I was wondering if "Tokugawa family crest" might have been a simpler gloss, but I see it's a complicated issue. (and there are a number of 三つ葉葵). It does seem rare for anyone to try and gloss the crest title literally.
Just going to add the ご surface form. Saw a couple of interesting datapoints that I'm noting in refs in case it ever comes up again, but otherwise I am not worried about it., |
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A 2022-06-12 22:04:20 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A 2022-06-12 11:54:47 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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-<gloss>wild ginger trefoil family crest of the Tokugawa clan</gloss>
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A* 2022-06-11 01:39:53 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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All quiet. I'll propose this version. I prefer "family crest" to "coat of arms" as the latter is rather European.
I'll propose a matching form for 三つ葉葵 - obviously they should be aligned. |
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A* 2022-06-04 12:12:08 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5: the wild ginger trefoil coat of arms of the Tokugawa clan.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokugawa_clan#Crest - The Tokugawa's clan crest, known in Japanese as a "mon", the "triple hollyhock" (although commonly, but mistakenly identified as "hollyhock", the "aoi" actually belongs to the birthwort family and translates as "wild ginger" |
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If "hollyhock" is a mistake should we stay with GG5's version? |
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A* 2022-06-02 03:46:17 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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hist? The Tokugawa family prob still uses it |
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A 2010-04-27 00:00:00
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