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jmdict 2517360 Active (id: 2237495)
物自体もの自体
ものじたい
1. [n]
▶ the thing itself
2. [n] {philosophy}
▶ thing-in-itself (in Kantianism)



History:
7. A 2023-05-13 21:39:16  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Diff:
@@ -20,2 +20 @@
-<s_inf>in Kantian philosophy</s_inf>
-<gloss>thing-in-itself</gloss>
+<gloss>thing-in-itself (in Kantianism)</gloss>
6. A 2022-12-02 07:33:10  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
OK
5. A* 2022-12-01 23:08:02  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thing-in-itself
物自体	37639	52.7%
もの自体	33791	47.3%
  Comments:
Yes, its use certainly isn't restricted to Kantian philosophy.
I think we should have two senses.
  Diff:
@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>もの自体</keb>
@@ -11,0 +15,4 @@
+<gloss>the thing itself</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
@@ -13,2 +20,2 @@
-<s_inf>trans. of Kant's "Ding an sich"</s_inf>
-<gloss>the thing in itself</gloss>
+<s_inf>in Kantian philosophy</s_inf>
+<gloss>thing-in-itself</gloss>
4. A* 2022-11-30 12:32:27  Nicolas Maia
  Comments:
I'd favor keeping it more general. I came across this word today on an Amazon review.
3. A* 2022-11-30 10:58:48  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
GG5, 中辞典
  Comments:
I think it's this.
  Diff:
@@ -12 +12,3 @@
-<gloss>thing in itself</gloss>
+<field>&phil;</field>
+<s_inf>trans. of Kant's "Ding an sich"</s_inf>
+<gloss>the thing in itself</gloss>
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