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1. |
[ctr]
▶ counter for ships |
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2. |
[ctr]
▶ counter for half of a pair (e.g. half of a folding screen) |
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[ctr]
[arch]
▶ counter for items carried in a bundle (e.g. fish, birds, arrows) |
6. | A 2023-10-26 23:40:49 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | The kokugo examples for sense 3 are archaic. I don't think we need to explain what a ship is. |
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Diff: | @@ -12 +12 @@ -<gloss>counter for ships (large boats)</gloss> +<gloss>counter for ships</gloss> @@ -20,2 +20,2 @@ -<misc>&rare;</misc> -<gloss>counter for items carried in a bundle (fish, birds, arrows, etc.)</gloss> +<misc>&arch;</misc> +<gloss>counter for items carried in a bundle (e.g. fish, birds, arrows)</gloss> |
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5. | A 2023-10-25 20:12:15 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
4. | A* 2023-10-25 07:09:54 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_counter_word せき seki 隻 Ships, half of a pair (e.g., half of a folding screen), item carried in a bundle (fish, birds, arrows etc.) 矢一隻 22 100.0% 矢二隻 0 0.0% 矢三隻 0 0.0% My guess for counting arrows... 矢一本 384 75.0% 矢二本 38 7.4% 矢三本 36 7.0% A fired arrow 矢一発 100 |
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Comments: | I didn't follow the implication of "etc." in [3]. Happened to find that wikipedia has an explanation, which seemed reasonable to me. I see now this was also mentioned in 2012. sankoku has [1] and [2] (including the folding-screen example). [1] is 船などの数を数える言葉. [3], missing in a modern dictionary, is probably [obs] or [arch] I imagine. [1] is quite common. |
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Diff: | @@ -20 +20,2 @@ -<gloss>counter for fish, birds, arrows, etc.</gloss> +<misc>&rare;</misc> +<gloss>counter for items carried in a bundle (fish, birds, arrows, etc.)</gloss> |
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3. | A 2012-08-10 23:32:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
2. | A* 2012-08-10 04:01:12 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | daijr koj |
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Comments: | * Add “half of a pair” sense * Add fish, birds, arrows, etc. * Clarify *large* boats * Have fish, birds, etc. separate from ships, as per daijr – these feel like things you can carry in a bundle; I’m guessing this is *captured* fish, birds, as koj example suggests (carrying bundle of fish at waist) etc. Saw at museum, referring to half of a folding screen (daijr mentions this usage). |
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Diff: | @@ -12,1 +12,9 @@ -<gloss>counter for ships</gloss> +<gloss>counter for ships (large boats)</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&ctr;</pos> +<gloss>counter for half of a pair (e.g. half of a folding screen)</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&ctr;</pos> +<gloss>counter for fish, birds, arrows, etc.</gloss> |
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