@@ -15 +15 @@
-<s_inf>imperative (from なさい); used with masu stem verb</s_inf>
+<s_inf>imperative (from なさい); used with -masu stem of verb</s_inf>

Nicolas: No worries.
Jim: looks better.

Just to be clear, I don't do it on purpose.

Nicolas (forked comment): "I'm ok with Marcus's suggestion."
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Well, I've implemented my suggestion from last month. OK?

@@ -15,2 +15 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2192950">なさい</xref>
-<s_inf>imperative; used with masu stem verb</s_inf>
+<s_inf>imperative (from なさい); used with masu stem verb</s_inf>

I'd missed the addition of "abbr"; I agree it's not. I'd prefer a note about なさい, as there 
was earlier. Reinstate and remove xref?

@@ -16 +15,0 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>

I don't think it should be tagged as abbr (and I don't think the xref to なさい is helpful).
daijr for example says 〔補助動詞「なさる」の命令の言い方「なさい」を省略したものから
なさい is the etymology, it's not right to say it's an actual abbreviation of it today.

Until 2018 there was a "from なさい" note,

https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/2707/using-な-in-positive-instead-of-negative-imperative-e-g-行きな

@@ -14,0 +15,2 @@
+<xref type="see" seq="2192950">なさい</xref>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>

OK, let's close it for now.

So to clarify my stance, I don't disagree with Robin that 
it's kind of dubious how helpful these glosses really are, 
but I prefer having them to moving what I think should 
obviously be usage notes to expl. I think we should try and 
be as consistent with our expl/note usage as possible.

Reopening.
In a forked edit Marcus commented:
I don't see how the [expl] glosses would be different from
the notes, though...? I mean, if they are notes on usage,
they should be in the notes. I've said it before on the
mailing list though; I think we should let through senses
which have notes but no gloss into the database.

OK. I'll approve to lock in this order and fix examples, and then reopen. I've suggested some extra glosses for 4 which match what I'm seeing.

@@ -28 +28,4 @@
-<gloss>now</gloss>
+<gloss>now, ...</gloss>
+<gloss>well, ...</gloss>
+<gloss>I tell you!</gloss>
+<gloss>you know</gloss>
@@ -34 +37 @@
-<gloss>o</gloss>
+<gloss>ooh</gloss>

I just don't think it's helpful to translate a particle like this (perhaps with the exception of sense 1).
I don't associate "do" with imperative sentences and I think it's impossible to come up with translations for senses 4 and 5. I can't see how "now", "wow" and "o" would aid with translation or understanding.
Since we can't just have notes, I'd make [expl] glosses out of the notes.

@@ -19 +19 @@
-<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<pos>&int;</pos>

But sense 1 was previously literally just 
"emotionality/emphasis". "emphasis" is in 
sense 4 and "emotionality" is in sense 5.

Having trouble seeing it. There are 200+ sentences for the former sense 1, e.g. 
「相変わらず短気だな」麗華の拳をいなしながら言う。"Short tempered as ever." He said while dodging Reika's fist. 
「金なら貸さないからな」、俺はにべもなく言った。"If it's money then I'm not lending any" I said point blank. 
I can't see then fitting senses 4 or 5, but they're fine for the old sense 1.
(Something odd going on with xrefs.)

@@ -20,2 +20 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
@@ -33,2 +31,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>

Senses 4 and 5.

@@ -20,2 +20,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
-<xref type="see">なあ</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>
@@ -33,2 +33,2 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
-<xref type="see">なあ</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ・1</xref>

What's happened to the former sense 1? It has an example sentence and there's an xref pointing to it.

@@ -21 +21 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
+<xref type="see">なあ</xref>
@@ -34 +34 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
+<xref type="see">なあ</xref>

chujiten

A first attempt to improve this entry. It probably needs 
some work, still, not least to add the various meanings it 
can have in ksb...

@@ -10 +10,2 @@
-<gloss>(sentence end, mainly masc.) indicates emotion or emphasis</gloss>
+<s_inf>prohibitive; used with dictionary form verb</s_inf>
+<gloss>don't</gloss>
@@ -14,3 +15,2 @@
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<s_inf>from なさい</s_inf>
-<gloss>(used with masu stem verb) command</gloss>
+<s_inf>imperative; used with masu stem verb</s_inf>
+<gloss>do</gloss>
@@ -20 +20,18 @@
-<gloss>(used with dictionary form verb) prohibition</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
+<gloss>hey</gloss>
+<gloss>listen</gloss>
+<gloss>you</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<s_inf>when seeking confirmation, for emphasis, etc.; used at sentence end</s_inf>
+<gloss>now</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&prt;</pos>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2100620">なあ</xref>
+<s_inf>used to express admiration, emotionality, etc.; used at sentence end</s_inf>
+<gloss>wow</gloss>
+<gloss>o</gloss>

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