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jmdict 2029040 Active pending (parent: 2299778) (id: 2299787)

[spec1]
1. [prt]
▶ if ... then
▶ when
2. [prt]
《often ...も...ば...も...》
▶ and
3. [prt]
《sentence final》
▶ why don't you...?
4. [prt]
《often ...ば...ほど》
▶ the more (one does something)
5. [prt] [arch]
▶ because
▶ since



History:
11. A* 2024-05-03 07:33:46  Non
  Refs:
I did not think any references would be needed, It is formally classified as a 接続助詞 just about everywhere: daijs, daijr, smk, meikyo, koj...
  Comments:
ば's primordial function is to connect two clauses, clause A to clause B, where A is in some manner precedent to B, this should be in line with the citation you have just provided of a conjunction. 

Additionally, I do not see how these definitions would - or even could - be mutually exclusive: every single conjunction has a grammatical aspect to it, it must always form a syntactically subordinating or coordinating relation in between the two linked items; dismissing [3] as an omission of clause B, and with the potential exclusion of [2], ば falls into the former type.
I must also bring to attention that the definition of a conjunction provided is vague and potentially problematic, for example: how does it deal with a coordinating conjunction between two nouns? ”僕と君と...”or anything following the same structure will be constituted of two words that are not particularly large units of meaning, certainly not clauses, and I do not think most would consider each a phrase. Would と cease to be a conjunction? would also または or および? This is not limited to Japanese either, you can just as easily take "Me and you..." and the same problem arises.

Lastly, not classifying ば as a conjunction makes the corpus inconsistent: other terms formally classified as 接続助詞 such as と, けれども and its variants have both [conj] and [prt] on their entries; notably, なら and たら both directly derive from ば and are classed as [conj] (though the former's entry is itself a tad inconsistent).
Now, as the meaning does not change even in their original forms of ならば and たらば, if ば is not a conjunction, what is it? or rather, if it is not, how are they?
10. A 2024-05-03 02:00:13  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
None were provided.
  Comments:
I regard particles and conjunctions as different things. To quote one reference: "Particles indicate grammatical relationships between words, while conjunctions connect larger units of meaning such as clauses or sentences."
  Diff:
@@ -10 +9,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -16 +14,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -22 +19,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -28 +24,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -34 +29,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
9. A* 2024-05-01 06:59:54  Non
  Comments:
It is a conjunction, marking it as such.
  Diff:
@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -19,0 +22 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -24,0 +28 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -29,0 +34 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
8. A 2021-04-09 00:28:02  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
7. A* 2021-04-05 07:00:52  dine
  Refs:
previous discussion
  Diff:
@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<s_inf>sentence final</s_inf>
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jmdict 2029040 Active (id: 2299778)

[spec1]
1. [prt]
▶ if ... then
▶ when
2. [prt]
《often ...も...ば...も...》
▶ and
3. [prt]
《sentence final》
▶ why don't you...?
4. [prt]
《often ...ば...ほど》
▶ the more (one does something)
5. [prt] [arch]
▶ because
▶ since



History:
10. A 2024-05-03 02:00:13  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
None were provided.
  Comments:
I regard particles and conjunctions as different things. To quote one reference: "Particles indicate grammatical relationships between words, while conjunctions connect larger units of meaning such as clauses or sentences."
  Diff:
@@ -10 +9,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -16 +14,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -22 +19,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -28 +24,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -34 +29,0 @@
-<pos>&conj;</pos>
9. A* 2024-05-01 06:59:54  Non
  Comments:
It is a conjunction, marking it as such.
  Diff:
@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -14,0 +16 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -19,0 +22 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -24,0 +28 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
@@ -29,0 +34 @@
+<pos>&conj;</pos>
8. A 2021-04-09 00:28:02  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
7. A* 2021-04-05 07:00:52  dine
  Refs:
previous discussion
  Diff:
@@ -19,0 +20 @@
+<s_inf>sentence final</s_inf>
6. A 2015-05-24 06:01:10  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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