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jmdict 2002310 Active (id: 2074891)
その道；其の道
【そのみち】

[exp,n]
▶ that road (path, street, way, etc.)

[exp,n]
▶ that line (of business)
▶ that profession
▶ that trade

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 1454080 道 7. field (e.g. of medicine); subject; speciality

[exp,n]
▶ love affairs
▶ romance

History:

18.	A 2020-07-12 22:58:33 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Yes, the "that" is better.
17.	A* 2020-07-12 16:07:06 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daij, 中辞典 prog: 彼はすでに70代だが，その道にかけてはなかなかの男だ He is already in his seventies, but 「he's still quite a playboy [he still has quite an eye for women].
	Comments:	this -> that The sense 2 glosses need "that" in front of them. There's another sense we were missing.
	Diff:	@@ -16 +16 @@ -<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> +<gloss>that road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> @@ -21,4 +21,10 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・7</xref> -<gloss>line (of business)</gloss> -<gloss>profession</gloss> -<gloss>trade</gloss> +<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・7</xref> +<gloss>that line (of business)</gloss> +<gloss>that profession</gloss> +<gloss>that trade</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>love affairs</gloss> +<gloss>romance</gloss>
16.	A 2020-07-12 06:22:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK, I'll drop the note and switch senses. Probably better this way.
	Diff:	@@ -15,0 +16,5 @@ +<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<pos>&n;</pos> @@ -21,6 +25,0 @@ -<sense> -<pos>&exp;</pos> -<pos>&n;</pos> -<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf> -<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> -</sense>
15.	A* 2020-06-22 03:04:45 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I'm OK having this as an entry (and prob. あの道 and この道) but I don't think the 2nd sense should be there. Either we do every single sense from 道, or we do just one, or we're being misleading. If it really must be kept, I think the note must go. What does "usual meaning" mean? I have my doubts it's actually "usual" as in "more common." But if it were, why isn't it sense 1? I think small inconsistencies like these makes the dictionary harder to use.
14.	A 2020-06-20 00:44:19 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Probably time to call it a day on this one. I'm leaving it in largely because of its presence in the JEs. I'm also leaving in the "usual meaning" because I'm aware this is primarily a decoding/passive dictionary and there's a risk that learners might think sense 1 is the only meaning of the expression. I see that GG5 also has この道 entry referencing the same sense of 道 (but not one for あの道.) [Daijr has a この道 entry too; for the 1927 song "この道はいつか来た道".]
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13.	A* 2020-06-03 01:48:57 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	koj
	Comments:	the kokugos have this too, but i agree that it's awkward
	Diff:	@@ -5,0 +6,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>其の道</keb>
12.	A* 2020-04-03 01:43:13 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	この道 701238 その道 508707 あの道 45677 The expressions この道/その道 are very common, but you'll also see あの道 with this meaning, e.g. あの道10年 gets plenty of google hits. If we keep その道, we should at the very least also have この道, but should we also do あの道, then? At that stage, it's starting to feel a little ridiculous. Also I don't think "usual meaning" in sense 2 is a good note. Should that sense even be included? What about the other 道 senses, why aren't they included if this one is?
11.	A* 2020-04-03 00:29:18 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Reopen.
10.	A 2020-04-03 00:28:57 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	My 3 online JEs all have entries for this one: - GG5 points to the "field; subject; speciality" sense of 道/みち, where there are a couple of examples of this - 中辞典: (1) 〈職業〉 the line (of business); the profession; the trade; 〈芸道〉 the art; 〈分野〉 the field - ルミナス: (専門･職業) the line　★口語的; (研究の分野) the field; (芸道) the art.
	Comments:	This is expression is using a low-order sense of 道/みち, which is probably why the JEs include it. I think we should too. In line with the JEs, I propose making it the first sense. I'll lock this in and reopen.
	Diff:	@@ -13,5 +12,0 @@ -<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>&exp;</pos> -<pos>&n;</pos> @@ -22,0 +18,6 @@ +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf> +<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> +</sense>
9.	A* 2020-04-02 15:53:32 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I agree it probably isn't needed.
8.	A* 2020-04-02 12:58:16 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Should this really be an entry? この道 with the same meaning is prob more common but isn't an entry. Really this should be covered by the 道 entry, shouldn't it?
7.	A 2018-07-06 21:54:35 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Diff:	@@ -18 +18 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・5</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・7</xref>
6.	A 2018-04-21 04:35:12 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
5.	A* 2018-04-17 12:29:52 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Do we really need to point out that "this road" is the usual meaning? I think the comment can be dropped.
	Diff:	@@ -13 +12,0 @@ -<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf>
4.	A 2018-04-17 10:51:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	No more comments.
3.	A* 2018-03-31 06:40:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Yes, probably.
	Diff:	@@ -11,0 +12,7 @@ +<pos>&n;</pos> +<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf> +<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<pos>&n;</pos> @@ -17,5 +23,0 @@ -<sense> -<pos>&exp;</pos> -<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf> -<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> -</sense>
2.	A* 2018-03-31 03:10:49 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	If it's the "(more) usual meaning", shouldn't it come first?
1.	A* 2018-03-29 06:34:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5
	Comments:	The entry is being matched against the far more common regular construction.
	Diff:	@@ -11,0 +12 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="1454080">道・みち・5</xref> @@ -15,0 +17,5 @@ +<sense> +<pos>&exp;</pos> +<s_inf>usual meaning</s_inf> +<gloss>this road (path, street, way, etc.)</gloss> +</sense>

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