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姥捨て山；姨捨山；姥捨山；うば捨て山 [sK] ；おば捨て山 [sK] ；うばすて山 [sK] ；おばすて山 [sK] ；姨捨て山 [sK]
【うばすてやま；おばすてやま】

[n]
▶ mountain where old people were abandoned (according to legend)

[n]
▶ position or division in a company to which an old and ineffective person is transferred

[n] [obs,sl,derog]
《used in the Meiji and Taisho periods》
▶ women's college

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 1938310 女子大学 1. women's college

History:

11.	A 2024-02-26 23:57:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
10.	A* 2024-02-26 23:19:46 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Diff:	@@ -49,0 +50 @@ +<misc>&obs;</misc> @@ -52 +53 @@ -<s_inf>Meiji, Taisho period slang</s_inf> +<s_inf>used in the Meiji and Taisho periods</s_inf>
9.	A 2024-02-25 10:59:41 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	It could be [rk].
8.	A* 2024-02-25 07:59:34 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	〈姥／姨／うば／おば〉〈捨（て）／すて〉〈山／やま〉 Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮ │ 姥捨て山　　 │ 14,678 │ 54.4% │ - 1 │ 姨捨山　　　 │ 5,029 │ 18.6% │ - 2 │ 姥捨山　　　 │ 3,760 │ 13.9% │ - 3 │ うば捨て山　 │ 1,262 │ 4.7% │ - 4 │ うばすて山　 │ 608 │ 2.3% │ - 6 │ おば捨て山　 │ 353 │ 1.3% │ - 5 │ おばすて山　 │ 293 │ 1.1% │ - 7 │ 姨捨て山　　 │ 45 │ 0.2% │ - 8 │ うば捨山　　 │ 38 │ 0.1% │ │ 姥すて山　　 │ 21 │ 0.1% │ │ うばすてやま │ 510 │ 1.9% │ │ おばすてやま │ 399 │ 1.5% │ ╰─ーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯
	Comments:	The second reading (おばすてやま) was dropped, but it's in the kokugos too.
	Diff:	@@ -14,0 +15 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -33,0 +35,3 @@ +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>おばすてやま</reb>
7.	A* 2024-02-25 05:58:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	姥捨て山 14678 54.5% 姥捨山 3760 14.0% 姨捨て山 45 0.2% 姨捨山 5029 18.7% うば捨て山 1262 4.7% おば捨て山 353 1.3% うばすて山 608 2.3% おばすて山 293 1.1% うばすてやま 510 1.9% おばすてやま 399 1.5%
	Comments:	Major simplification.
	Diff:	@@ -8 +8 @@ -<keb>姥捨山</keb> +<keb>姨捨山</keb> @@ -11,4 +11 @@ -<keb>姨捨て山</keb> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>姨捨山</keb> +<keb>姥捨山</keb> @@ -20,0 +18 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -23,0 +22 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -26,0 +26,5 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>姨捨て山</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -30,15 +33,0 @@ -<re_restr>姥捨て山</re_restr> -<re_restr>姥捨山</re_restr> -<re_restr>姨捨て山</re_restr> -<re_restr>姨捨山</re_restr> -<re_restr>うば捨て山</re_restr> -<re_restr>うばすて山</re_restr> -</r_ele> -<r_ele> -<reb>おばすてやま</reb> -<re_restr>姥捨て山</re_restr> -<re_restr>姥捨山</re_restr> -<re_restr>姨捨て山</re_restr> -<re_restr>姨捨山</re_restr> -<re_restr>おば捨て山</re_restr> -<re_restr>おばすて山</re_restr>
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6.	A 2019-04-29 02:13:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I feel it should say "The Ballad of Narayama" somewhere. We have 楢山節考 in enamdict.
5.	A* 2019-04-26 16:37:19 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	3rd sense in nikk daijs: 役に立たなくなった老人を山に捨てたという伝説から、組織などで、年をとってあまり役に立たなくなった人を移しておく部署や地位のたとえ。
	Comments:	Sense 2 is similar in meaning to 追い出し部屋
	Diff:	@@ -49 +49,12 @@ -<gloss g_type="fig">position in an organization to which an ineffective person is transferred</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>position or division in a company to which an old and ineffective person is transferred</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<xref type="see" seq="1938310">女子大学</xref> +<misc>&sl;</misc> +<misc>&derog;</misc> +<s_inf>Meiji, Taisho period slang</s_inf> +<gloss>women's college</gloss>
4.	A 2018-07-13 18:53:12 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	rather obnoxious restrictions
	Diff:	@@ -29,0 +30,6 @@ +<re_restr>姥捨て山</re_restr> +<re_restr>姥捨山</re_restr> +<re_restr>姨捨て山</re_restr> +<re_restr>姨捨山</re_restr> +<re_restr>うば捨て山</re_restr> +<re_restr>うばすて山</re_restr> @@ -32,0 +39,6 @@ +<re_restr>姥捨て山</re_restr> +<re_restr>姥捨山</re_restr> +<re_restr>姨捨て山</re_restr> +<re_restr>姨捨山</re_restr> +<re_restr>おば捨て山</re_restr> +<re_restr>おばすて山</re_restr>
3.	A* 2018-07-12 20:57:11 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	G n-grams: 姥捨て山 14678 姥捨山 3760 姨捨て山 45 姨捨山 5029 うば捨て山 1262 おば捨て山 353 うばすて山 608 おばすて山 293
	Comments:	Shouldn't we mention that this is a legend? Added kanji forms. Interestingly, daijr/s only have the 姨 variants.
	Diff:	@@ -8,0 +9,18 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>姨捨て山</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>姨捨山</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>うば捨て山</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>おば捨て山</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>うばすて山</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>おばすて山</keb> @@ -18 +36 @@ -<gloss>mountain where old people were abandoned</gloss> +<gloss>mountain where old people were abandoned (according to legend)</gloss>
2.	A 2017-11-18 23:06:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Koj, Daijr, GG5. WWW hits for ordering.
	Diff:	@@ -5 +5 @@ -<keb>姥捨山</keb> +<keb>姥捨て山</keb> @@ -8 +8 @@ -<keb>姥捨て山</keb> +<keb>姥捨山</keb> @@ -12,0 +13,3 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>おばすてやま</reb> +</r_ele> @@ -15 +18,2 @@ -<gloss>mountain where old women were abandoned</gloss> +<gloss>mountain where old people were abandoned</gloss> +<gloss g_type="fig">position in an organization to which an ineffective person is transferred</gloss>
1.	A* 2017-11-18 15:18:35 Scott
	Refs:	koj daij
	Diff:	@@ -3,0 +4,3 @@ +<k_ele> +<keb>姥捨山</keb> +</k_ele>

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