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A 2024-04-03 11:11:40 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think this needs a mil tag. |
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-<field>&mil;</field> |
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A 2024-04-03 01:17:03 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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〈手／て／テ〉〈投（げ）／なげ／ナゲ〉〈弾／だん／ダン〉
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 手投げ弾 │ 12,137 │ 96.3% │
│ 手投弾 │ 282 │ 2.2% │ - sK
│ て投弾 │ 82 │ 0.7% │
│ てなげだん │ 96 │ 0.8% │
╰─ーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2024-03-23 20:37:57 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Aligning. |
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-<gloss>(hand) grenade</gloss>
+<gloss>hand grenade</gloss>
+<gloss>grenade</gloss> |
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A* 2024-03-23 14:38:40 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
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seem essentially synonymous. sankoku xrefs しゅうりゅうだん
手榴弾 101927 83.6%
手りゅう弾 7828 6.4%
手投げ弾 12137 10.0%
site:twitter.com "手榴弾" 38,000 googits
site:twitter.com "手りゅう弾" 2500
site:twitter.com "手投げ弾" 968
A rocket propelled grenade:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7
grenade launcher... As with similar weapons, the grenade protrudes from the launch tubes.
Japanese terms 手投げ弾, 手榴弾 手りゅう弾 do not appear (for example):
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/RPG-7
NHK guide prefers 手投げ弾. Easier to understand when heard, 手榴弾 allegedly falling out of use, use of non-joyo kanji 榴.:
「手投げ弾」と「手りゅう弾」の使い分けや決まりはある？
https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/summary/kotoba/gimon/096.html
（1）［テナケﾟダン］が耳で聞いてわかりやすい。
（2）［テリューダン］は旧軍隊読みで、今ではなじみが薄い。
（3）［シュリューダン］［テリューダン］ともに、表外字の「榴」を含む。 |
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The suggested gloss (should be aligned with xref, whatever is decided) is a bit ugly. But "hand" is often/usually omitted in practice, and there are other kinds of grenades in English(e.g. rocket-propelled)...
Unlink English, if this is not a "hand grenade", the terms 手投げ弾 and 手榴弾 cannot be used. So listing "grenade" alone may be misleading as to the Japanese sense.
obvious statistics to the contrary, NHK prefers 手投げ弾? Seems to be more of a radio/listening thing (mainichi.jp does not share this preference, but uses both).
We don't have a lot of weaponry in [mil], so not sure about that. Mostly military ranks. But if so, xref needs it too. |
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-<gloss>hand grenade</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1649650">手榴弾</xref>
+<field>&mil;</field>
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A 2010-08-01 12:09:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Plenty of Google hits. |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>手投弾</keb> |