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A 2024-04-27 01:16:03 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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In that case, I think it's useful to have the corresponding reading tagged as irregular as well. |
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+<re_inf>&ik;</re_inf> |
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A 2024-04-26 23:28:47 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Probably best to revert to the old restrictions and keep it as the one entry. |
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+<re_restr>二段ベッド</re_restr>
@@ -16 +17 @@
-<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
+<re_restr>二段ベット</re_restr> |
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A* 2024-04-26 00:44:19 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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With にだんベット hidden, 二段ベット needs to be hidden as well. Otherwise the reading is wrong. If we want it to be visible, I think it should be a separate entry. |
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A 2024-04-25 02:05:20 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Both forms get a ton of hits on twitter.
daijr: ベット〖ドイツ Bett〗⇨ベッド
gg5: ベット ＝ベッド.
nikk: ベッド〘名〙 （英bed）｟ベット｠…
smk: ベッド〔bed〕寝台。ベットとも。…
sankoku: ベッド｟名｠〔bed〕…〔なまって、ベット〕
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ホットドック
>> ホットドック
>>『ホットドッ“グ”』の誤記。
>> ドイツ語やオランダ語で語尾の「b,d,g」を「p,t,k」と発音するのにつられてできた発音間違いと思われるが、これは英語由来の外来語。
>> ちなみに「ベッド」は、ドイツ語では「ベット(Bett)」で綴りも違うが、オランダ語では「ベット(Bed)」。 |
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The German connection is from daijirin, although none of the other refs mention it. The quoted pixiv entry hints at some possible Dutch influence.
I think the irregular tag might be too strong considering how common the form is and how many sources acknowledge it. Probably not a big deal either way. |
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A 2024-04-25 01:54:08 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I think Marcus is correct. The reading can be hidden. |
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+<ke_inf>&ik;</ke_inf>
@@ -12 +12,0 @@
-<re_restr>二段ベッド</re_restr>
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-<re_restr>二段ベット</re_restr>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf> |
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A* 2024-04-24 23:40:54 Marcus Richert
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I don't think the pronunciation of ド as ト has anything to do with the German but is the same phenomenon that leads バッグ to be pronounced バック, ドラッグ as ドラック, ゴッド as ゴット (incidentally Gott in German) etc.
I think it should probably keep the ik? But should at the very least not be split out. |
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A 2024-04-24 22:06:01 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Probably should split it. |
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A* 2024-04-24 22:01:35 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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ベット is from the German word for bed (Bett). We and various refs mention it or have and entry for it (gg5, daijirin, smk).
I think we can drop the [ik] tag.
Google N-gram Corpus Counts
╭─ーーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮
│ 二段ベッド │ 56,365 │ 79.8% │
│ 二段ベット │ 14,246 │ 20.2% │
│ にだんベッド │ 53 │ 0.1% │
│ にだんベット │ 0 │ 0.0% │
╰─ーーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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-<ke_inf>&ik;</ke_inf> |
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A 2019-11-17 17:39:41 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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technically should be split, i guess |
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-<reb>にだんベッ</reb>
+<reb>にだんベット</reb> |
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A* 2019-11-15 11:08:43 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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二段ベッド 56365
二段ベット 14246 |
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I guess these forms should be added as they're common. |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>二段ベット</keb>
+<ke_inf>&ik;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
@@ -8,0 +13,5 @@
+<re_restr>二段ベッド</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>にだんベッ</reb>
+<re_restr>二段ベット</re_restr> |