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謗り；誹り；譏り
【そしり】

[n] [uk]
▶ censure
▶ criticism
▶ blame
▶ disparagement
▶ vilification

History:

9.	A 2019-05-08 17:50:59 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	G n-grams: 謗り 9678 誹り 9341 譏り 564 そしり 23545
	Comments:	reordering
	Diff:	@@ -8 +8 @@ -<keb>譏り</keb> +<keb>誹り</keb> @@ -11 +11 @@ -<keb>誹り</keb> +<keb>譏り</keb>
8.	A 2017-07-20 12:33:36 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK. It's amazing that slander/libel is so widely used by JEs. Perhaps they've just copied from each other.
	Diff:	@@ -23,4 +22,0 @@ -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>&n;</pos> -<misc>&uk;</misc> @@ -28,3 +23,0 @@ -<gloss>slander</gloss> -<gloss>libel</gloss> -<gloss>calumny</gloss>
7.	A* 2017-07-19 04:43:40 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	i think i agree with Robin. unless there is a nuance of 'inappropriate' disparagement that kokugos are not picking up
6.	A* 2017-07-19 01:13:19 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	I don't think it's correct to say there are two senses here. "Slander", "libel", etc. are for the benefit of English learners who might be using そしり in more specific context. I'm in favour of dropping the sense 2 glosses entirely. I have a paper JE dictionary (designed for English speakers) on hand and "criticism", "censure" and "blame" are the only glosses listed. Same with prog.
5.	A* 2017-07-18 23:37:47 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	This has been open for over a month. I'm suggesting a sense break, as I previously suggested.
	Diff:	@@ -22,0 +23,4 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<misc>&uk;</misc>
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4.	A* 2017-06-15 23:39:39 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Daijr: そしること。また、その言葉。非難。 GG5: 〔悪口〕 (a) slander; calumny; a libel; disparagement; 〔非難〕 (a) censure; blame; a charge; (adverse) criticism. 中辞典: (a) slander; 《文》 disparagement; calumny; vilification; 〈非難〉 blame; a charge; (a) criticism; 《文》 censure
	Comments:	It's interesting that the refs tend to lead with "slander", etc. but most usage seems to be of the censure/criticism variety. There is a difference, and I wonder if there shouldn't be two senses. The same goes for 謗る itself.
3.	A* 2017-06-14 22:55:51 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	daijr/s
	Comments:	Reordered glosses. Slander, libel, etc. concern false statements and that isn't part of the definition.
	Diff:	@@ -18,0 +19,5 @@ +<gloss>censure</gloss> +<gloss>criticism</gloss> +<gloss>blame</gloss> +<gloss>disparagement</gloss> +<gloss>vilification</gloss> @@ -21 +25,0 @@ -<gloss>disparagement</gloss> @@ -23 +26,0 @@ -<gloss>vilification</gloss>
2.	A 2011-07-25 00:17:03 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
1.	A* 2011-07-24 18:39:48 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	koj, daij, meikyo
	Diff:	@@ -6,0 +6,6 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>譏り</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>誹り</keb>

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