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A 2019-01-21 03:08:00 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK with me. |
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A* 2019-01-21 01:18:58 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I'm OK with this, I guess, but one issue
now is that it's unclear what type of
toilet "Japanese style toilet" actually
refers to. In English, it can be used to
refer to washlets too, but those are
decidedly 洋式 in Japanese. I made an
amendment which isn't very elegant, but
somebody else can maybe come up with
something better. Also 洋式 should be
aligned with this entry. |
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-<gloss>Japanese-style (esp. toilet)</gloss>
+<gloss>Japanese-style (esp. in reference to squat toilets)</gloss> |
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A 2019-01-21 00:58:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Fine. |
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-<gloss>Japanese-style (usu. rooms, toilets, baths, etc.)</gloss>
+<gloss>Japanese-style (esp. toilet)</gloss> |
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A* 2019-01-20 23:54:21 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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It does refer to toilets in the vast majority of cases, I agree. (The room results are mostly Chinese.)
But I still don't know if we can really consider it an abbreviation. None of the kokugos do.
How about a single "Japanese-style (esp. toilet)" sense? |
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A* 2019-01-20 07:29:41 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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When I google 和式 (on Google Japan, while being in Japan), I ONLY get pictures of toilets, nothing else. No rooms.
I did consider the point Robin made before submitting my amendment but I think the same thing could be said (that it can be used
to refer to anything depending on the context) for a whole lot of other senses listed as "abbr" in daij. Take daijs' clay entry,
for example:
"クレー
《「クレイ」とも》1 粘土。また、粘土製の物。2 「クレーピジョン」の略。3 「クレー射撃」の略。4 「クレーコート」の略。"
I doubt that クレー by itself is used to refer to "clay pidgeons" or " half as often as "和式" by itself is used to refer to
"Japanese toilets".
Also consider that signs on toilet doors in Japan normally only say "和式"/"洋式" and not "和式トイレ"/"洋式トイレ" |
(show/hide 5 older log entries)
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A* 2019-01-17 23:15:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I see that in Google Images the initial lot are rooms. I think the entry needs a bit of focus. (I'll comment on 和式派 later.)
See if this is OK. |
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-<gloss>Japanese-style</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<misc>&abbr;</misc>
-<gloss>Japanese-style toilet</gloss>
-<gloss>squat toilet</gloss>
+<gloss>Japanese-style (usu. rooms, toilets, baths, etc.)</gloss> |
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A* 2019-01-10 21:31:25 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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"設置スペースがあまりとれない場合には、和式がおススメとなっています" (referring to baths)
"実はいろんな洋式が好きなのに、寝るときは和風です" (referring to rooms)
"朝ごはんはバッフェ式で、和と洋両方あり、洋式が好きな娘でも大丈夫でした" |
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I'm not sure I agree that 和式 and 洋式 are abbreviations. You can use 和式/洋式 to refer to anything when it's clear from the context; it just usually happens to be toilets.
It's similar to how in English one could say "I prefer Western-style over Japanese-style".
I don't think 和式派 should be an entry. It's A+B. |
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A* 2019-01-10 20:19:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Reopen |
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A 2019-01-10 20:18:43 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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和式派 1275
洋式派 977 |
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I see that many/most www uses of 和式派 seem to be related to toilets. Should that added?
I'll approve this and reopen. |
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A* 2019-01-10 13:39:11 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Google images
https://www.sankei.com/west/news/170710/wst1707100023-n1.html
"学校トイレ論議-便座触れるのを嫌う“和式派”、「排便しにくい」が理由の“洋式派”、学校でするのは「恥ずかしい」"
"男性は「小学生の頃、和式、洋式に関係なく、恥ずかしかった」という。確かに、私自身も、似たような幼い頃の記憶がある。
だが、現代では、学校の和式がいやで、便秘になる子供がいるという。"
daij, daijr, prog, nikk all have トイレ in their examples |
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+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -14 +15,7 @@
-<gloss>Japanese style</gloss>
+<gloss>Japanese-style</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&abbr;</misc>
+<gloss>Japanese-style toilet</gloss>
+<gloss>squat toilet</gloss> |