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[adj-i]
[uk]
▶ improper ▶ immodest ▶ disgraceful ▶ shameful ▶ vulgar ▶ low |
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| 10. | A 2023-10-27 22:02:58 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| 9. | A* 2023-10-27 17:57:26 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> | |
| Refs: | - sankoku has 端たない as a headword (wrapped in its '仮名書き可' parentheses) - shinmeikai has this word as a subentry in its entry for はした【端た】 - obunsha has 端ない as a headword - iwakoku states directly that this is 「端」の形容詞化。 None of these refs say it is ateji or a special reading / jukujikun. Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーー─┬────────┬───────╮ │ 端ない │ 95 │ 0.2% │ - [iK] to [sK] │ 端たない │ 120 │ 0.3% │ - [iK] to [rK] │ はしたない │ 38,450 │ 99.4% │ ╰─ーーーーー─┴────────┴───────╯ |
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| Diff: | @@ -5,2 +5,3 @@ -<keb>端ない</keb> -<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> +<keb>端たない</keb> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri> @@ -9,3 +10,2 @@ -<keb>端たない</keb> -<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> -<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri> +<keb>端ない</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -20 +19,0 @@ -<s_inf>poss. ateji</s_inf> |
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| 8. | A 2017-08-14 01:53:20 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | Since the 国語s are quiet on it being an ateji, I think I'll put it in a note, and close it. |
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| Diff: | @@ -19,0 +20 @@ +<s_inf>poss. ateji</s_inf> |
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| 7. | A* 2017-08-07 14:44:20 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | Sorry, I meant [iK], not [oK]. Definitely irregular, not obsolete. I can find quite a few recent examples of "端ない" on Twitter. |
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| Diff: | @@ -6 +6 @@ -<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> @@ -10 +10 @@ -<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> |
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| 6. | A* 2017-08-06 22:19:58 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | is there any evidence that this is "obsolete"? (i.e., is there any evidence it used to be a thing in the past but is no longer? the uses i'm seeing online don't seem to come from old sources) i think ateji makes more sense -- also, 端たない seems to be more common than 端ない, since 端ない looks to get a lot more false positives. -- overall i get <200 "real" google hits for both headwords combined (many/most of which don't seem to be real), which raises the question of whether it's worth recording at all, or if it's just a henkan error and should be iK |
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[adj-i]
[uk]
▶ improper ▶ immodest ▶ disgraceful ▶ shameful ▶ vulgar ▶ low |
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| 6. | R 2017-08-06 22:11:24 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | forked |
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| 5. | A* 2017-08-06 19:43:04 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | i guess we can keep it as ateji or oK then. i would have thought maybe henkan error, but that's unlikely to show up in multiple sources (one hopes) |
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| 4. | A* 2017-08-05 01:29:15 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Refs: | 中辞典 (has 端たない as headword.) JWN (possibly from JMdict). Goi Taikei and the JLD have it too |
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| Comments: | Rene also puzzled over it a bit in 2009 (old logs) when he recommended the ateji tag for it. As well as being in 中辞典 it's in the Ichiman reference, but parenthesized (《端たない》). It's also in a small JE that came with my old EB copy of Daijirin as 端ない. I think it probably should stay; either as ateji or oK. |
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| 3. | A* 2017-08-04 21:45:33 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | Like Rene, I'm puzzled by the [ichi1] tag. 端たない only gets a few dozen Google hits once you click through to the 4th page of results. I'm in favour of dropping it. 端ない is more common but I think it needs an [oK] tag. |
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| 2. | A 2015-01-13 07:42:06 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | none of mine either... it's not even mentioned in a note in any of the dics. is the kanji really ichi1? |
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