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A 2024-01-31 04:20:23 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5, etc. |
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Simpler |
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@@ -12,2 +12,2 @@
-<keb>法蓮草</keb>
-<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
+<keb>菠薐草</keb>
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -16 +16,2 @@
-<keb>菠薐草</keb>
+<keb>法蓮草</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -24 +25 @@
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -28,4 +28,0 @@
-<re_restr>ほうれん草</re_restr>
-<re_restr>法蓮草</re_restr>
-<re_restr>菠薐草</re_restr>
-<re_restr>鳳蓮草</re_restr>
@@ -33,4 +29,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>ホウレンそう</reb>
-<re_restr>ホウレン草</re_restr>
@@ -44 +37 @@
-<gloss>spinach</gloss>
+<gloss>spinach (Spinacia oleracea)</gloss> |
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A* 2024-01-30 23:04:23 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
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ほうれん草 1222294 75.5%
ホウレンソウ 124491 7.7%
ほうれんそう 161858 10.0%
ホウレン草 102199 6.3%
法蓮草 5392 0.3%
菠薐草 3710 0.2%
鳳蓮草 46 0.0%
法蓮草 on product packaging:
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/Matsunaga-Seedlings-Generation-Crossing-Nana-chan/dp/B00V9UGTLE
https://www.amazon.co.jp/-/en/atariya農園-Seeds-Solomon-法蓮草-35ml/dp/B00IDVPX50
site:twitter.com "法蓮草" 3000 hits. lot's of meals here with ingredients lists:
https://twitter.com/search?q=法蓮草&src=typed_query
法連草 also gives meaningful results
https://twitter.com/search?q=法連草&src=typed_query&f=top
site:twitter.com "菠薐草" 900 hits (a lot from users who have named themselves 菠薐草...)
site:twitter.com "鳳蓮草" 9 hits
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ホウレンソウ
ホウレンソウ（菠薐草[2]・法蓮草[3]、 学名: Spinacia oleracea）
Ateji ref:
https://www.shokusenden.com/shoku_tushin/20221226-001/#:~:text=実は「ほうれんそう」と読みます,「菠薐草」になります。
スーパーなどでは「法蓮草」などで表示されている場合もありますが、こちらの漢字は当て字で、本来の漢字表記は「菠薐草」になります。 |
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Was recently skimming github issues. Here's an entry without [uk] because of 草, and no hint has to how obscenely uncommon the kanji forms are *relative to the kana forms*. I would ordinarily never mark a word with 5000 ngrams as [rK]. It's a bit of a disservice because you are perfectly likely to encounter it in real life. You just probably shouldn't use it.
I've certainly encountered other cases where it would be nice to indicate explicitly "this form is comparatively rare, but not 'rare' in an absolute sense". That said, I'm still not sure there are enough of these that it's worth whatever changes would be necessary to address them.
鳳蓮草, at least, is [rK]. 法連草 is not in sankoku, which considers "菠薐草" correct (lots of technical sources online seem to share this opinion). 菠薐 is apparently from Chinese, and the name of the country they got the spinach from? (~persia)? You can just look at 法蓮草 to see how this came in as ateij, I added a ref to confirm. And now it seems that in practice it has been further simplified to 法連草 (easily found on twitter in recipes, and even in modern published books). Used on sites that should "know better" (seed sellers, etc.). But doubly-not-officially-endorsed, so marked as [sK].
法連草 is, interestingly, one of only two kanji forms given by windows IME (the first is 法蓮草). 菠薐草 is not offered (though android offers it).
If I search kanji on amazon or google images, I can actually find *a few* products that stamp 法蓮草 on the product label, which is more than I can say for any other kanji form.
On the new form 法連草, several recent gardening books come up, and one that loads a scan with a chapter subtitle is here(seems a bit too conspicuous to call it a typo):
はじめての自然農で野菜づくり: 無農薬 - Page 66
https://www.google.co.jp/books/edition/はじめての自然農で野菜づく/XlRhoy8GKIEC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq="法連草"&pg=PA66&printsec=frontcover |
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@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,0 +19,4 @@
+<keb>法連草</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
@@ -18,0 +24 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> |
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A 2021-03-23 11:50:05 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Ends up a little messy this way, but it is
what it is. |
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+<re_restr>ほうれん草</re_restr>
+<re_restr>法蓮草</re_restr>
+<re_restr>菠薐草</re_restr>
+<re_restr>鳳蓮草</re_restr> |
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A* 2021-03-23 11:18:10 Tyler Winn <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
ほうれん草 1222294
ホウレンソウ 124491
ホウレン草 102199
法蓮草 5392
菠薐草 3710
鳳蓮草 46 |
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Not sure I entered this in properly |
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@@ -9 +9 @@
-<keb>菠薐草</keb>
+<keb>ホウレン草</keb>
@@ -12,0 +13,3 @@
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>菠薐草</keb>
@@ -19,0 +23,8 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ホウレンそう</reb>
+<re_restr>ホウレン草</re_restr>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>ホウレンソウ</reb>
+<re_nokanji/> |
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A 2018-05-31 06:33:23 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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ほうれん草 19936
菠薐草 239
法蓮草 174
鳳蓮草 No matches |
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@@ -5 +5 @@
-<keb>菠薐草</keb>
+<keb>ほうれん草</keb>
@@ -9 +9 @@
-<keb>ほうれん草</keb>
+<keb>菠薐草</keb> |