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A 2023-10-02 20:20:37 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
I don't think おさい is uk. Also, it's defined as 「菜」の丁寧語. I'll split it out into a separate entry. |
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Diff: |
@@ -26,4 +25,0 @@
-<reb>おさい</reb>
-<re_restr>お菜</re_restr>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
@@ -41 +36,0 @@
-<stagr>おかず</stagr>
@@ -50 +44,0 @@
-<stagr>おかず</stagr> |
| 22. |
A* 2023-10-01 23:33:06 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
Removing the オカズ restriction from the second sense |
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Diff: |
@@ -42 +41,0 @@
-<stagr>オカズ</stagr> |
| 21. |
A* 2023-10-01 23:14:43 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Diff: |
@@ -9 +9 @@
-<keb>御菜</keb>
+<keb>お数</keb>
@@ -13,2 +13,2 @@
-<keb>御数</keb>
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<keb>御菜</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -17,2 +17,2 @@
-<keb>お数</keb>
-<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
+<keb>御数</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -28 +27,0 @@
-<re_restr>御菜</re_restr>
@@ -32 +31 @@
-<re_nokanji/>
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
@@ -53 +51,0 @@
-<stagr>オカズ</stagr>
@@ -57,0 +56 @@
+<s_inf>oft. as オカズ</s_inf> |
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A 2022-06-08 00:32:57 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Diff: |
@@ -15 +14,0 @@
-<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -23,0 +23 @@
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri> |
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A* 2022-06-07 18:52:05 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
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Google N-gram Corpus Counts
| お菜 | 13,368 | 0.4% | <- in meikyo
| 御菜 | 1,484 | 0.0% | <- in daijr/s
| 御数 | 954 | 0.0% | <- in daijr/s, koj, nikk
| お数 | 608 | 0.0% | <- in meikyo
| おかず | 3,506,153 | 96.0% |
| おさい | 86,045 | N/A |
| オカズ | 128,206 | 3.5% |
|-ーーーーーー-+-----------+-------|
| 夕食のお菜 | 22 | 0.1% |
| 夕食の御菜 | 0 | 0.0% |
| 夕食の御数 | 0 | 0.0% |
| 夕食のお数 | 0 | 0.0% |
| 夕食のおかず | 19,567 | 96.4% |
| 夕食のおさい | 0 | 0.0% |
| 夕食のオカズ | 702 | 3.5% | |
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[spec1] on おかず ?
I don't think the counts are inflated; おかず doesn't seem to be used as a name. |
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Diff: |
@@ -5,0 +6 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -8,0 +10 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -11,0 +14 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf>
@@ -15,0 +19 @@
+<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> |
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| 18. |
A 2020-11-03 07:20:57 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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| 17. |
A* 2020-11-03 06:31:00 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5: the dishes (accompanying the rice) 「at a meal [in a lunch-box].
中辞典: dishes to go with the rice; a (side) dish |
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Comments: |
With the "usu." I think it can just mention rice. |
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Diff: |
@@ -31,0 +32 @@
+<field>&food;</field>
@@ -33 +34 @@
-<gloss>small dish (usu. one of several accompanying rice or some other staple food)</gloss>
+<gloss>small dish (usu. one of several accompanying rice)</gloss> |
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A* 2020-11-03 04:48:43 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
"e.g. rice" could perhaps be misconstrued as "rice" being an example of a small dish rather than a staple food. is this better? |
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Diff: |
@@ -33 +33 @@
-<gloss>small dish (usu. one of several accompanying the staple food, e.g. rice)</gloss>
+<gloss>small dish (usu. one of several accompanying rice or some other staple food)</gloss> |
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A 2020-11-03 01:24:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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| 14. |
A* 2020-11-03 00:40:34 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
Actually we probably don't need the last gloss
with these two. |
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Diff: |
@@ -55 +54,0 @@
-<gloss>material for assisting arousal during masturbation</gloss> |
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A* 2020-11-03 00:18:16 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
Fair point, this is better. |
| 12. |
A* 2020-11-02 14:04:44
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Refs: |
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/spank_bank |
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Comments: |
A spank bank is a "mental stock of images or fantasies" or a "porn collection". おかず is just something used in the moment. It doesn't necessarily go into the "spank bank". |
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Diff: |
@@ -53,2 +53,3 @@
-<gloss>something for the spank bank</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">material for assisting arousal during masturbation</gloss>
+<gloss>jack-off material</gloss>
+<gloss>something to masturbate to</gloss>
+<gloss>material for assisting arousal during masturbation</gloss> |
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A* 2020-11-02 04:49:31 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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daijs etc. make it clear that it's what you
eat together wtih the 主食 （日本では米、麦、パン、
麺(めん)類などをさす) |
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Comments: |
I don't think wikipedia having an entry for
"okazu" is a great argument for us including
it here, considering how wide that sense of
the word is. I tried making it more clear it
doesn't have to be a side dish (to what in
English is called "the main dish"), though it
can be that to (e.g. in the case of okazu for
ramen)
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I think "something for the spank bank" isn't
bad register-wise here. A crude translation
for a crude term shouldn't be an issue, should
it? Also it doesn't look/feel like an expl to
me, unlike "material fot assisting arousal".
Googling for "for the spank bank" shows this
is typical phrasing online. |
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Diff: |
@@ -32,0 +33 @@
+<gloss>small dish (usu. one of several accompanying the staple food, e.g. rice)</gloss>
@@ -34,2 +34,0 @@
-<gloss>okazu</gloss>
-<gloss g_type="expl">side dish (meat, fish, pickles, etc.) accompanying the rice in a typical Japanese meal</gloss>
@@ -51,0 +51 @@
+<misc>&vulg;</misc>
@@ -53 +53,2 @@
-<gloss>material for assisting arousal during masturbation</gloss>
+<gloss>something for the spank bank</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">material for assisting arousal during masturbation</gloss> |
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A 2020-06-12 23:08:46 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
OK |
| 9. |
A* 2020-06-12 22:14:56 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
I think we can drop "food for thought". It's not in the refs and I've never heard おかず used in that way.
The "spank bank" gloss feels to me like a second (cruder) explanatory gloss so I agree it's not needed. |
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Diff: |
@@ -40,0 +41 @@
+<field>&music;</field>
@@ -42 +43,3 @@
-<gloss>food for thought (esp. in the context of conversation)</gloss>
+<misc>&col;</misc>
+<gloss>fill</gloss>
+<gloss>fill-in (drumming)</gloss>
@@ -51,7 +53,0 @@
-<gloss>something for the spank bank</gloss>
-</sense>
-<sense>
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<misc>&uk;</misc>
-<gloss>fill</gloss>
-<gloss>fill-in (drumming)</gloss> |
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A* 2020-06-12 18:37:42 Frazer Robinson <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
I don't think the extra "spank bank" gloss is really necessary. I also think it's too crude and obscure of a slang
term to belong in a dictionary entry. |
| 7. |
A* 2020-06-12 08:21:39 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
I think sense 2 should be two senses. "food for thought" isn't a great translation for "material for assisting arousal during
masturbation".
But is "food for thought (esp. in the context of conversation..." really correct? |
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Diff: |
@@ -42,2 +42,10 @@
-<s_inf>sometimes オガズ</s_inf>
-<gloss g_type="expl">food for thought (esp. in the context of conversation, or material for assisting arousal during masturbation)</gloss>
+<gloss>food for thought (esp. in the context of conversation)</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<stagr>おかず</stagr>
+<stagr>オカズ</stagr>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
+<misc>&sl;</misc>
+<gloss>material for assisting arousal during masturbation</gloss>
+<gloss>something for the spank bank</gloss> |
| 6. |
A 2016-07-27 11:20:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Diff: |
@@ -35 +35 @@
-<gloss g_type="expl">side dish (meet, fish, pickles etc.) accompanying the rice in a typical Japanese meal</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">side dish (meat, fish, pickles, etc.) accompanying the rice in a typical Japanese meal</gloss> |
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A* 2016-07-27 09:32:31 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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wiki(okazu) |
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Diff: |
@@ -33 +33,3 @@
-<gloss>side dish (meet, fish, pickles etc.) accompanying the rice</gloss>
+<gloss>side dish</gloss>
+<gloss>okazu</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">side dish (meet, fish, pickles etc.) accompanying the rice in a typical Japanese meal</gloss>
@@ -41 +43 @@
-<gloss>food for thought (esp. in the context of conversation, or material for assisting arousal during masturbation)</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">food for thought (esp. in the context of conversation, or material for assisting arousal during masturbation)</gloss> |
| 4. |
A* 2016-07-27 07:12:37 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
or maybe this way |
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Diff: |
@@ -33,2 +33 @@
-<gloss>food eaten with rice (meet, fish, pickles etc.)</gloss>
-<gloss>side dish</gloss>
+<gloss>side dish (meet, fish, pickles etc.) accompanying the rice</gloss> |
| 3. |
A* 2016-07-27 06:52:48 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Comments: |
When a Japanese eats a meal consisting of rice, a pork cutlet and pickles, then he thinks of the rice as the main dish, and the pork cutlet and pickles as side dishes (おかず).
But to a Westerner, the pork cutlet is the main dish and the rice and pickles are side dishes.
I tried to clear up this confusion. |
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Diff: |
@@ -33 +33 @@
-<gloss>accompaniment for rice dishes</gloss>
+<gloss>food eaten with rice (meet, fish, pickles etc.)</gloss> |
| 2. |
A 2016-06-13 11:40:42 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Refs: |
G n-grams:
御数 954
御菜 1484
お菜 13368
お数 608 |
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Diff: |
@@ -5,2 +5 @@
-<keb>御数</keb>
-<ke_pri>ichi1</ke_pri>
+<keb>お菜</keb>
@@ -12 +11,2 @@
-<keb>お菜</keb>
+<keb>御数</keb>
+<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri>
@@ -19 +19 @@
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>ichi2</re_pri>
@@ -22,0 +23 @@
+<re_restr>お菜</re_restr>
@@ -24 +24,0 @@
-<re_restr>お菜</re_restr>
@@ -39,0 +40 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc>
@@ -44,0 +46 @@
+<misc>&uk;</misc> |
| 1. |
A* 2016-06-11 23:12:16
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Refs: |
https://phrasebox.jp/drum/drum-first/fill-in/
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/フィル%E
3%82%A4%E3%83%B3 |
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Diff: |
@@ -42,0 +43,5 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>fill</gloss>
+<gloss>fill-in (drumming)</gloss>
+</sense> |