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1. |
[v5u,vt,vi]
▶ to sing |
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2. |
[v5u,vt]
《esp. 歌う, 詠う》 ▶ to sing of (love, beauty, etc.) in a poem ▶ to express in the form of a poem ▶ to recite (a poem) |
11. | A 2021-11-16 05:59:17 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 詩を歌う 2334 詩を詠う 1152 詩を歌って 1851 詩を詠って 278 詩を歌わ 330 詩を詠わ 46 Maaaybe here, though? But it's still a bit of a stretch, all of these added together. The point of the rK as I see it isn't to say "this kanji might as well not have been included in this entry at all, it's completely pointless" but to tell esp. early learners that it's quite rare and that they don't need to bother learning it by heart to feel they "know" the word in question, and also to provide guidance for reverse lookups. It's not to say they won't ever, in a lifetime of reading Japanese, possibly come across it or find reason to use it. Since we do mention it in a note on sense 2, and considering these ngrams, I'm OK with removing it, though. |
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Diff: | @@ -15 +14,0 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> |
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10. | A* 2021-11-14 23:51:15 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 心を詠った 174 心を歌った 2030 心を唄った 140 心を謳った 54 故郷を詠った 32 故郷を歌った 277 故郷を唄った No matches 故郷を謳った No matches 愛を唄った 590 愛を謳った 674 愛を歌った 4023 愛を詠った 137 the daijs example is 故郷の心を-った. daijr is 愛 の美しさ-った I don't think this shows it rising above being a rK. |
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9. | A* 2021-11-14 23:40:21 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I think the application of rK has to be percentage-based, nothing else makes sense or is actually helpful. If it's a lot more common for a particular sense than overall, I wouldn't tag it as rK though. But how common is it for sense 2? |
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8. | A* 2021-11-14 21:05:26 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | gg5, prog, dajij 美しさを歌った 274 美しさを詠った 51 |
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Comments: | Do we really want to tag a form with 34k in the ngrams as "rare"? I know it's less than 1% of 歌う's count but the difference is probably a lot smaller if you look only at sense 2 usage (詠う doesn't apply to sense 1). |
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Diff: | @@ -43,3 +43,3 @@ -<gloss>to sing (one's praises in a poem, etc.)</gloss> -<gloss>to compose a poem</gloss> -<gloss>to recite a poem</gloss> +<gloss>to sing of (love, beauty, etc.) in a poem</gloss> +<gloss>to express in the form of a poem</gloss> +<gloss>to recite (a poem)</gloss> |
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7. | A* 2021-11-13 06:06:37 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 歌う 4222623 唄う 351406 詠う 34216 謡う 14340 唱う 14235 I don't think 唄う is spec1 worthy |
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Diff: | @@ -12 +12,4 @@ -<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>詠う</keb> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -16,4 +19 @@ -<ke_pri>ichi2</ke_pri> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> -<keb>詠う</keb> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -22,0 +23 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> |
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