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[prt]
《occasionally ん, orig. written 乃 or 之》 ▶ indicates possessive
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▶ nominalizes verbs and adjectives |
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▶ substitutes for "ga" in subordinate phrases
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《often ん》 ▶ (at sentence-end, falling tone) indicates a confident conclusion
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[fem]
▶ (at sentence-end) indicates emotional emphasis
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▶ (at sentence-end, rising tone) indicates question
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| 11. | A 2013-02-06 02:16:49 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| 10. | A* 2013-02-06 02:10:51 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | The "sometimes" might better be "originally". As for ん, that's already a headword in 2139720, where sense 3 says "abbr. of particle "no"". So searching for it gets you to the right place. The entry for の is complicated enough already, and we've split 乃/之 to declutter it. I think keeping ん apart too is appropriate. |
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| Diff: | @@ -11,1 +11,1 @@ -<s_inf>occasionally ん, sometimes written 乃 or 之</s_inf> +<s_inf>occasionally ん, orig. written 乃 or 之</s_inf> |
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| 9. | A* 2013-02-06 01:02:19 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | shouldn't "ん" be a headword/reading? rather than just a note? "sometimes written 乃 or 之" should maybe be rephrased too (it's not the case of "sometimes" as much as it's the case of "back in the good ol' days") |
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| 8. | A 2012-05-20 06:50:22 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | We probably need to regularize whether these "sentence end" annotations go at the start of end of the gloss. At present they are all over the place. |
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| 7. | A* 2012-05-17 12:33:18 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...> | |
| Refs: | daijr |
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| Comments: | * Move “at sentence-end” into text, instead of [note], since Latin characters * Add “at sentence-end” to [4] “confident conclusion” * Add notes on tone (rising, falling) |
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| Diff: | @@ -26,1 +26,1 @@ -<gloss>indicates a confident conclusion</gloss> +<gloss>(at sentence-end, falling tone) indicates a confident conclusion</gloss> @@ -31,2 +31,1 @@ -<s_inf>at sentence-end</s_inf> -<gloss>indicates emotional emphasis</gloss> +<gloss>(at sentence-end) indicates emotional emphasis</gloss> @@ -36,2 +35,1 @@ -<s_inf>at sentence-end</s_inf> -<gloss>indicates question</gloss> +<gloss>(at sentence-end, rising tone) indicates question</gloss> |
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[prt]
《occasionally ん, sometimes written 乃 or 之》 ▶ indicates possessive
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▶ nominalizes verbs and adjectives |
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▶ substitutes for "ga" in subordinate phrases
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[prt]
《often ん》 ▶ (at sentence-end, falling tone) indicates a confident conclusion |
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[prt]
[fem]
▶ (at sentence-end) indicates emotional emphasis |
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▶ (at sentence-end, rising tone) indicates question |
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| 11. | R 2013-02-06 02:16:26 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | rejecting this branch |
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| 10. | A* 2013-02-06 02:15:11 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | -because ん isn't being applied to all senses, it would make a mess of restrictions. ん has its own entry that used to redirect here, but the x-ref seems to have been lost -as the past participle, i think that 'written' is sufficiently vague about timing. and they are still used today depending on context (tombstones, etc.) |
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| 9. | A* 2013-02-06 01:02:19 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | shouldn't "ん" be a headword/reading? rather than just a note? "sometimes written 乃 or 之" should maybe be rephrased too (it's not the case of "sometimes" as much as it's the case of "back in the good ol' days") |
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| 8. | A 2012-05-20 06:50:22 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | We probably need to regularize whether these "sentence end" annotations go at the start of end of the gloss. At present they are all over the place. |
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| 7. | A* 2012-05-17 12:33:18 Nils Roland Barth <...address hidden...> | |
| Refs: | daijr |
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| Comments: | * Move “at sentence-end” into text, instead of [note], since Latin characters * Add “at sentence-end” to [4] “confident conclusion” * Add notes on tone (rising, falling) |
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| Diff: | @@ -26,1 +26,1 @@ -<gloss>indicates a confident conclusion</gloss> +<gloss>(at sentence-end, falling tone) indicates a confident conclusion</gloss> @@ -31,2 +31,1 @@ -<s_inf>at sentence-end</s_inf> -<gloss>indicates emotional emphasis</gloss> +<gloss>(at sentence-end) indicates emotional emphasis</gloss> @@ -36,2 +35,1 @@ -<s_inf>at sentence-end</s_inf> -<gloss>indicates question</gloss> +<gloss>(at sentence-end, rising tone) indicates question</gloss> |
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[prt]
[uk]
《occasionally ん》 ▶ indicates possessive |
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| 2. |
[prt]
▶ verb and adjective nominalizer (nominaliser) |
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| 3. |
[prt]
▶ substituting for "ga" in subordinate phrases |
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| 4. |
[prt]
《often ん》 ▶ indicates a confident conclusion |
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| 5. |
[prt]
▶ emotional emphasis (sentence end) (fem) |
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[prt]
▶ indicates question (sentence end) |
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| 2. | R 2010-08-06 07:10:14 Paul Blay <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | No comments on my suggestion? I guess it isn't going anywhere so I'll self-reject. |
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| 1. | A* 2010-08-03 14:38:09 Paul Blay <...address hidden...> | |
| Comments: | There is a separate entry http://www.edrdg.org/jmdictdb/cgi-bin/entr.py?svc=jmdict&sid=&q=2270030.1 that is a 'redirect' entry pointing to here. Presumably that was done because 乃 is going to be confusing to many people learning Japanese (heck, probably a bunch of people who _are_ Japanese as well ;-) I suggest that instead the kanji headword should be moved from this (main) entry to the 'redirect' entry. 国語 dictionaries typically won't have an entry for 乃, but have の without a kanji headword. NOTE: I can't actually remove the kanji headword 乃 until the x-ref pointing here is removed. |
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