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▶ temple bell ▶ hanging bell ▶ funeral bell |
8. | A 2023-03-17 19:51:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | >> I'm getting that E->J is of secondary concern at best... Indeed. |
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7. | A* 2023-03-17 06:06:31 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_knell A death knell is the ringing of a church bell immediately after a death to announce it... === But surely this doesn't turn "church bells" into "funeral bells"... |
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Comments: | I was just going to add on that the likely source of this was the chiming of temple bells for funerals/for the dead. But this doesn't make the bells themselves funeral bells, any more than church bells at a Catholic church are funeral bells. It just feels like a very odd gloss to put here. I'm getting that E->J is of secondary concern at best, but "funeral bell" -> "釣鐘" would be absurd. And in the J->E direction, surely you would have the context of a funeral at play. "We heard the ringing of the 釣鐘", "we heard the ringing of the funeral bells". I can see why this gloss might apply in some contexts, but I don't see why it's beneficial to have. This feels like it would be more accurate as: [expl] rung to announce the hour, for prayers, for funerals, etc. (which is an [expl] I don't think anyone would ever add) |
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6. | A 2023-03-17 04:43:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I lived opposite a temple in Tokyo for quite a while. The temple bell was very much in evidence at funerals. My 1931 predecessor to GG5 doesn't include that gloss, so it was obviously added between then and 2003. I don't have a problem with the gloss. |
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5. | A* 2023-03-17 04:27:20 Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Is there any evidence here besides GG5. It is not infallible. This literally just looks completely wrong, I cannot find a single Japanese source that comes close to supporting it. |
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4. | A 2023-03-16 09:23:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | GG5: a hanging bell; a temple bell; a funeral bell. 釣鐘 39095 72.6% 釣り鐘 13617 25.3% 吊り鐘 570 1.1% 吊鐘 553 1.0% |
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Diff: | @@ -13,0 +14,5 @@ +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>吊鐘</keb> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -23,0 +29 @@ +<gloss>funeral bell</gloss> |
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