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釣鐘釣り鐘 [news2,nf42] 吊り鐘 [sK] 吊鐘 [sK]
つりがね [news2,nf42]
1. [n]
▶ temple bell
▶ hanging bell
▶ funeral bell



History:
8. A 2023-03-17 19:51:05  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
>> I'm getting that E->J is of secondary concern at best...
Indeed.
7. A* 2023-03-17 06:06:31  Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_knell
A death knell is the ringing of a church bell immediately after a death to announce it...

===
But surely this doesn't turn "church bells" into "funeral bells"...
  Comments:
I was just going to add on that the likely source of this was the chiming of temple bells for funerals/for the dead.

But this doesn't make the bells themselves funeral bells, any more than church bells at a Catholic church are funeral bells. It just feels like a very odd gloss to put here.

I'm getting that E->J is of secondary concern at best, but "funeral bell" -> "釣鐘" would be absurd.  And in the J->E direction, surely you would have the context of a funeral at play. "We heard the ringing of the 釣鐘", "we heard the ringing of the funeral bells".  I can see why this gloss might apply in some contexts, but I don't see why it's beneficial to have.

This feels like it would be more accurate as:
[expl] rung to announce the hour, for prayers, for funerals, etc.

(which is an [expl] I don't think anyone would ever add)
6. A 2023-03-17 04:43:11  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I lived opposite a temple in Tokyo for quite a while. The temple bell was very much in evidence at funerals.
My 1931 predecessor to GG5 doesn't include that gloss, so it was obviously added between then and 2003. I don't have a problem with the gloss.
5. A* 2023-03-17 04:27:20  Brian Krznarich <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Is there any evidence here besides GG5. It is not infallible.

This literally just looks completely wrong, I cannot find a single Japanese source that comes close to supporting it.
4. A 2023-03-16 09:23:26  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
GG5: a hanging bell; a temple bell; a funeral bell.
釣鐘	39095	72.6%
釣り鐘	13617	25.3%
吊り鐘	570	1.1%
吊鐘	553	1.0%
  Diff:
@@ -13,0 +14,5 @@
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>吊鐘</keb>
+<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf>
@@ -23,0 +29 @@
+<gloss>funeral bell</gloss>
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