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双六；双陸 [rK] ；寿語録 [ateji,rK] ；雙六 [sK] ；壽語録 [sK]
【すごろく；すぐろく (双六) [ok] ；スゴロク (nokanji) 】

[n] [uk]
▶ race game (board game played with dice in which the object is to reach the end of a track)

Cross references:
	⇔ see: 2764760 絵双六 1. sugoroku; e-sugoroku; Japanese illustrated board game played with dice in which the object is to reach the end of a track

[n]
《orig. meaning》
▶ ban-sugoroku
▶ sugoroku
▶ [expl] traditional Japanese board game similar to backgammon

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2847949 盤双六 1. ban-sugoroku; traditional Japanese board game similar to backgammon

History:

25.	A 2023-11-27 01:19:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
24.	A* 2023-11-26 21:30:47 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	https://www.edrdg.org/wiki/index.php/Editorial_policy#Search-only_Forms 雙〜 and 壽〜 are 旧字体 forms that can be hidden.
	Diff:	@@ -8,4 +7,0 @@ -<keb>雙六</keb> -<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> @@ -16 +12 @@ -<keb>壽語録</keb> +<keb>寿語録</keb> @@ -17,0 +14,4 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>雙六</keb> @@ -21,2 +21 @@ -<keb>寿語録</keb> -<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> +<keb>壽語録</keb> @@ -31 +29,0 @@ -<re_restr>雙六</re_restr>
23.	A 2023-11-26 20:08:13 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
22.	A* 2023-11-26 14:36:39
	Refs:	Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーー─┬─────────┬───────╮ │ 双六　　 │ 97,100 │ 25.6% │ │ 雙六　　 │ 2,511 │ 0.7% │ │ 双陸　　 │ 64 │ 0.0% │ │ 壽語録　 │ 88 │ 0.0% │ │ 寿語録　 │ 54 │ 0.0% │ │ すごろく │ 247,812 │ 65.3% │ │ スゴロク │ 31,870 │ 8.4% │ ╰─ーーーー─┴─────────┴───────╯
	Diff:	@@ -18 +18 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -23 +23 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -32,0 +33,4 @@ +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>スゴロク</reb> +<re_nokanji/>
21.	A 2022-01-27 04:39:05 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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20.	A* 2022-01-27 01:41:30 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	google images search for * site:ac.uk sugoroku * ukiyo-e sugoroku https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/57003521fdea48ab9ee5111f9d965400 https://ukiyo-e.org/image/mfa/sc161314 https://ukiyo-e.org/image/mfa/sc223263
	Comments:	the backgammon game is also just referred to as "sugoroku" in English (though in English too, it more commonly refers to sense 1, or more specifically the Edo period ones)
	Diff:	@@ -44,0 +45 @@ +<gloss>sugoroku</gloss>
19.	A 2022-01-04 21:32:47 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	双六 97100 すごろく 247812
	Diff:	@@ -36,0 +37 @@ +<misc>&uk;</misc>
18.	A 2022-01-02 23:51:07 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
17.	A* 2022-01-02 21:13:12 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	双六 97100 双陸 64 雙六 2511 壽語録 88 寿語録 54
	Comments:	I don't think sense 2 refers to a set of games.
	Diff:	@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@ -<keb>双陸</keb> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> @@ -14,0 +12,4 @@ +<keb>双陸</keb> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> @@ -16,0 +18 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -20,0 +23 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -34 +37 @@ -<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss> +<gloss>race game (board game played with dice in which the object is to reach the end of a track)</gloss> @@ -40 +43,2 @@ -<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. ban-sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss>ban-sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game similar to backgammon</gloss>
16.	A 2021-02-05 22:14:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Quiet. Closing.
15.	A* 2021-01-30 04:09:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Reopen.
14.	A 2021-01-30 04:08:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK, I'll tweak it, approve (mainly to trim the queue) and reopen for further chewing over.
	Diff:	@@ -32,0 +33 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2764760">絵双六</xref> @@ -38 +38,0 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2764760">絵双六</xref> @@ -40 +40 @@ -<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. e-sugoroku and ban-sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. ban-sugoroku</gloss>
13.	A* 2021-01-14 09:25:04 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	e-sugoroku is the racing game, it's sense 1.
12.	A* 2021-01-14 04:23:08 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Koj, Daijr/s: have two senses covering 盤双六 and 絵双六.
	Comments:	Maybe this will work. If approved the 盤双六 and 絵双六 entries need tweaking and relinking.
	Diff:	@@ -37,2 +37,4 @@ -<xref type="see">盤双六</xref> -<gloss>ban-sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss> +<xref type="see" seq="2847949">盤双六</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2764760">絵双六</xref> +<s_inf>orig. meaning</s_inf> +<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. e-sugoroku and ban-sugoroku</gloss>
11.	A* 2021-01-12 06:52:51 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	if sense 1 refers to ban-sugoroku, then sure. but google images will show that the simpler racing game is much more common. Same with the romaji "sugoroku". you have to type out "ban-sugoroku" or 盤双六 to get pictures of the other game.
	Diff:	@@ -33 +33 @@ -<gloss>sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss> +<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss> @@ -37 +37,2 @@ -<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss> +<xref type="see">盤双六</xref> +<gloss>ban-sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss>
10.	A* 2021-01-12 05:40:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK, but that's another sense.
	Diff:	@@ -33,0 +34,4 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss>
9.	A* 2021-01-12 02:56:51 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	an example of a simple race game being referred to as sugoroku https://www.daiichigakuin.ed.jp/campus/kyoto/blog/42867/ plenty of more examples in google images if you search for 英語すごろく etc.
	Comments:	So the "native informer" I was referring too has on several occasions referred to several non-Japanese race games as 双六, so I do think it just means "race game". I was considering making it a separate sense and formatted it like that first but it looked weird to me and I didn't think keeping "sugoroku" as an English gloss was all that worthwhile considering that the only thing that sets a "sugoroku" apart from a "race game" in English is that the former is Japanese.
8.	A* 2021-01-12 00:52:13 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5: sugoroku; a traditional board game in which pieces are advanced by throwing dice; a Japanese backgammon. 中辞典: sugoroku; a Japanese variety of Parcheesi ルミナス: sugoroku [U], Japanese backgammon [U]; (説明的には) a Japanese game played with a「die [《英》 dice]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugoroku - refers to two different forms of a Japanese board game: ban-sugoroku (盤双六, 'board-sugoroku') which is similar to western backgammon, and e-sugoroku (絵双六, 'picture-sugoroku') which is similar to western Snakes and Ladders.
	Comments:	Yes, it's a race game but so are many board games using dice. AFAIK 双六 is not the general term for race games in Japanese. I think the Romaji is worth keeping. Maybe this is enough.
	Diff:	@@ -33 +33 @@ -<gloss>race game (type of board game played where the object is to first reach the goal)</gloss> +<gloss>sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss>
7.	A* 2021-01-11 07:09:56 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	native informer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_game
	Comments:	This word's used for non-Japanese race games too. I don't think "sugoroku" in English really means much except "old or old-ish Japanese race game"
	Diff:	@@ -33,2 +33 @@ -<gloss>sugoroku</gloss> -<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game played with dice</gloss> +<gloss>race game (type of board game played where the object is to first reach the goal)</gloss>
6.	A 2020-10-07 01:31:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
5.	A* 2020-10-07 00:55:21 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	寿語録 54 壽語録 88 saw 寿語録 on an old Meiji 28 print here's another example: https://www.admt.jp/collection/item/?item_id=18
	Diff:	@@ -12,0 +13,8 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>壽語録</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>寿語録</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
4.	A 2013-01-21 04:34:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
3.	A* 2013-01-21 04:00:59 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	koj, daij, wiki
	Diff:	@@ -8,0 +8,3 @@ +<keb>双陸</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> @@ -9,0 +12,1 @@ +<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> @@ -13,0 +17,6 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>すぐろく</reb> +<re_restr>双六</re_restr> +<re_restr>雙六</re_restr> +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> +</r_ele> @@ -16,1 +26,1 @@ -<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game played with dice</gloss>
2.	A* 2013-01-21 00:33:07 Marcus Richert
	Diff:	@@ -15,1 +15,0 @@ -<gloss>child's dice game</gloss> @@ -17,1 +16,1 @@ -<gloss>traditional Japanese board game</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game</gloss>
1.	A 2010-07-12 05:51:17 Scott
	Refs:	wp
	Diff:	@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>雙六</keb> @@ -12,1 +15,3 @@ -<gloss>a child's dice game</gloss> +<gloss>child's dice game</gloss> +<gloss>sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss>traditional Japanese board game</gloss>

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jmdict 1398980 Rejected (id: 2172236)
双六；雙六 [oK] ；双陸 [rK] ；壽語録 [ateji,rK] ；寿語録 [ateji,rK]
【すごろく；すぐろく (双六, 雙六) [ok] 】

[n]
▶ race game (board game played with dice in which the object is to reach the end of a track)

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2764760 絵双六 1. sugoroku; e-sugoroku; Japanese illustrated board game played with dice in which the object is to reach the end of a track

[n]
《orig. meaning》
▶ ban-sugoroku
▶ [expl] traditional Japanese board game similar to backgammon

Cross references:
	⇒ see: 2847949 盤双六 1. ban-sugoroku; traditional Japanese board game similar to backgammon

History:

18.	R 2022-01-02 21:28:23 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Dupe.
17.	A* 2022-01-02 21:13:13 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	双六 97100 双陸 64 雙六 2511 壽語録 88 寿語録 54
	Comments:	I don't think sense 2 refers to a set of games.
	Diff:	@@ -8,3 +7,0 @@ -<keb>双陸</keb> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> @@ -14,0 +12,4 @@ +<keb>双陸</keb> +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> @@ -16,0 +18 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -20,0 +23 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -34 +37 @@ -<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss> +<gloss>race game (board game played with dice in which the object is to reach the end of a track)</gloss> @@ -40 +43,2 @@ -<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. ban-sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss>ban-sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game similar to backgammon</gloss>
16.	A 2021-02-05 22:14:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Quiet. Closing.
15.	A* 2021-01-30 04:09:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	Reopen.
14.	A 2021-01-30 04:08:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK, I'll tweak it, approve (mainly to trim the queue) and reopen for further chewing over.
	Diff:	@@ -32,0 +33 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2764760">絵双六</xref> @@ -38 +38,0 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2764760">絵双六</xref> @@ -40 +40 @@ -<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. e-sugoroku and ban-sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. ban-sugoroku</gloss>
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13.	A* 2021-01-14 09:25:04 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	e-sugoroku is the racing game, it's sense 1.
12.	A* 2021-01-14 04:23:08 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	Koj, Daijr/s: have two senses covering 盤双六 and 絵双六.
	Comments:	Maybe this will work. If approved the 盤双六 and 絵双六 entries need tweaking and relinking.
	Diff:	@@ -37,2 +37,4 @@ -<xref type="see">盤双六</xref> -<gloss>ban-sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss> +<xref type="see" seq="2847949">盤双六</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2764760">絵双六</xref> +<s_inf>orig. meaning</s_inf> +<gloss>trad. Japanese board games played with dice, esp. e-sugoroku and ban-sugoroku</gloss>
11.	A* 2021-01-12 06:52:51 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	if sense 1 refers to ban-sugoroku, then sure. but google images will show that the simpler racing game is much more common. Same with the romaji "sugoroku". you have to type out "ban-sugoroku" or 盤双六 to get pictures of the other game.
	Diff:	@@ -33 +33 @@ -<gloss>sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss> +<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss> @@ -37 +37,2 @@ -<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss> +<xref type="see">盤双六</xref> +<gloss>ban-sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss>
10.	A* 2021-01-12 05:40:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Comments:	OK, but that's another sense.
	Diff:	@@ -33,0 +34,4 @@ +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>race game (board game where the object is to reach the goal first)</gloss>
9.	A* 2021-01-12 02:56:51 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	an example of a simple race game being referred to as sugoroku https://www.daiichigakuin.ed.jp/campus/kyoto/blog/42867/ plenty of more examples in google images if you search for 英語すごろく etc.
	Comments:	So the "native informer" I was referring too has on several occasions referred to several non-Japanese race games as 双六, so I do think it just means "race game". I was considering making it a separate sense and formatted it like that first but it looked weird to me and I didn't think keeping "sugoroku" as an English gloss was all that worthwhile considering that the only thing that sets a "sugoroku" apart from a "race game" in English is that the former is Japanese.
8.	A* 2021-01-12 00:52:13 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	GG5: sugoroku; a traditional board game in which pieces are advanced by throwing dice; a Japanese backgammon. 中辞典: sugoroku; a Japanese variety of Parcheesi ルミナス: sugoroku [U], Japanese backgammon [U]; (説明的には) a Japanese game played with a「die [《英》 dice]. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sugoroku - refers to two different forms of a Japanese board game: ban-sugoroku (盤双六, 'board-sugoroku') which is similar to western backgammon, and e-sugoroku (絵双六, 'picture-sugoroku') which is similar to western Snakes and Ladders.
	Comments:	Yes, it's a race game but so are many board games using dice. AFAIK 双六 is not the general term for race games in Japanese. I think the Romaji is worth keeping. Maybe this is enough.
	Diff:	@@ -33 +33 @@ -<gloss>race game (type of board game played where the object is to first reach the goal)</gloss> +<gloss>sugoroku (trad. Japanese board game played with dice)</gloss>
7.	A* 2021-01-11 07:09:56 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	native informer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_game
	Comments:	This word's used for non-Japanese race games too. I don't think "sugoroku" in English really means much except "old or old-ish Japanese race game"
	Diff:	@@ -33,2 +33 @@ -<gloss>sugoroku</gloss> -<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game played with dice</gloss> +<gloss>race game (type of board game played where the object is to first reach the goal)</gloss>
6.	A 2020-10-07 01:31:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
5.	A* 2020-10-07 00:55:21 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	寿語録 54 壽語録 88 saw 寿語録 on an old Meiji 28 print here's another example: https://www.admt.jp/collection/item/?item_id=18
	Diff:	@@ -12,0 +13,8 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>壽語録</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>寿語録</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf>
4.	A 2013-01-21 04:34:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
3.	A* 2013-01-21 04:00:59 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
	Refs:	koj, daij, wiki
	Diff:	@@ -8,0 +8,3 @@ +<keb>双陸</keb> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> @@ -9,0 +12,1 @@ +<ke_inf>&oK;</ke_inf> @@ -13,0 +17,6 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>すぐろく</reb> +<re_restr>双六</re_restr> +<re_restr>雙六</re_restr> +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> +</r_ele> @@ -16,1 +26,1 @@ -<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game played with dice</gloss>
2.	A* 2013-01-21 00:33:07 Marcus Richert
	Diff:	@@ -15,1 +15,0 @@ -<gloss>child's dice game</gloss> @@ -17,1 +16,1 @@ -<gloss>traditional Japanese board game</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">traditional Japanese board game</gloss>
1.	A 2010-07-12 05:51:17 Scott
	Refs:	wp
	Diff:	@@ -6,0 +6,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>雙六</keb> @@ -12,1 +15,3 @@ -<gloss>a child's dice game</gloss> +<gloss>child's dice game</gloss> +<gloss>sugoroku</gloss> +<gloss>traditional Japanese board game</gloss>

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