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▶ artificial human ▶ android ▶ robot ▶ cyborg |
6. | R 2018-09-08 16:15:27 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Thank you for taking the time to state the case for your edits, Davide. A throw-away mention in Dragonball and an unusual usage of the word in a separate fantasy manga/anime does however not weigh heavier than the dictionaries quoted. Sci-fi/fantasy authors in particular often imbue unorthodox meanings to already existing words as part of their world creation. Unless this usage at least partially enters mainstream language use, it's not really our job to record that here. Your new reference is just the previous version of this very entry (this is JMDict - check the top of the page) as it were before Rene removed the "cyborg" gloss. |
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5. | A* 2018-09-08 11:46:43 Davide Della Via <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | New reference: https://ejje.weblio.jp/content/人造人間 |
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Comments: | No, pardon me. If something is official is not automatically correct, and this is the case: the definition of "Androids", in Dragon Ball, is limited. Many things in the English Dragon Ball version are wrong. Indeed, as I said, jinzouningen is a big-category, in which there are robots, cyborgs and living beings (humanoids/human-based) created or modified artificially. In Dragon Ball, N° 8 is a robot, N°16 is a robot, N°17 is a cyborg, N°18 is another cyborg (she can even give birth), N°19 is a robot and so on: all are jinzouningen. Are jinzouningen also the Homunculus, in Fullmetal Alchemist, beings created with "magic" (alchemy), and they are not robots, are "super humans", in flesh and bones but with super powers. See for example the introduction of Fullmetal Alchemist Live Action on Netflix, and you will hear the two main characters talking about artificial humams (the homunculus) as jinzouningen. Strangely, if I search jinzouningen here on Jisho it will appear an entry with only "robot, cyborg (and Android)". Only if I click on "read more" appear also artificial human, the main translation (but cyborg is gone). I will not insist longer, but my advice is to insert firstly the literally meaning, artificial human, and then the variuous things that belongs to its cateogry: robot, cyborg, etc. |
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Diff: | @@ -11,0 +12 @@ +<gloss>artificial human</gloss> @@ -13 +13,0 @@ -<gloss>artificial human</gloss> @@ -14,0 +15 @@ +<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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4. | A 2018-09-06 10:08:07 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | daijs: "ロボット。" daijr: "ロボット1のこと。" (which in turn is 電気・磁気などを動力源とし、精巧な機械装置によって人間に似た動作をする人形。人造人 間。") britannica: "「ロボット(RUR)」のページをご覧ください。" GG5: "an android" eij: "android / artificial human / droid / robot" |
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Comments: | That a character in a manga referred to "人造人間" as a form of "サイボーグ" is irrelevant here, esp. as these are apparently officially called "androids" in the English version. All Japanese dictionaries treat 人造人間 as a synonym of ロボット. A cyborg is something different, both in English and Japanese dictionaries. |
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Diff: | @@ -11,0 +12 @@ +<gloss>android</gloss> @@ -13 +13,0 @@ -<gloss>android</gloss> @@ -15 +14,0 @@ -<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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3. | A* 2018-09-06 08:25:27 Davide Della Via <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | Dragon Ball N° 23 Kanzenban https://ibb.co/fQ4jEe https://ibb.co/e9fPEe |
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Comments: | A cyborg is an organism, like we humans, that was modified with artificial parts. It belongs to the macro-category of jinzouningen, as well as androids/robots (completely mechanical things that resembles humans). Please, insert cyborg entry too. In the reference that I've upload, the character talks about N° 19 and N°20 jinzouningen as cyborgs. All the jinzouningen in Dragon Ball (but not only) are different kinds of jnz: for example, N°8 is a robot, N°17 and 18 are cyborgs, N°16 is another robot and Cell is an organism created from zero by a scientist. So, jinzouningen is, like a said, a macro-category, that include androids, cyborgs and organisms created from zero (with science or magic; about jnz created with magic/alchemy, see for example the introduction of Fullmetal Alchemist Live Action, on Netflix). |
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Diff: | @@ -14,0 +15 @@ +<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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2. | A 2018-09-02 23:02:02 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | gg5, eij |
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Comments: | i don't think this is two senses. also it's not really a cyborg. that's a real human with computer/machine elements |
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Diff: | @@ -13,4 +13 @@ -<gloss>artificianthrope</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>android</gloss> @@ -18 +14,0 @@ -<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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▶ android ▶ artificial human ▶ robot |
4. | A 2018-09-06 10:08:07 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | daijs: "ロボット。" daijr: "ロボット1のこと。" (which in turn is 電気・磁気などを動力源とし、精巧な機械装置によって人間に似た動作をする人形。人造人 間。") britannica: "「ロボット(RUR)」のページをご覧ください。" GG5: "an android" eij: "android / artificial human / droid / robot" |
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Comments: | That a character in a manga referred to "人造人間" as a form of "サイボーグ" is irrelevant here, esp. as these are apparently officially called "androids" in the English version. All Japanese dictionaries treat 人造人間 as a synonym of ロボット. A cyborg is something different, both in English and Japanese dictionaries. |
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Diff: | @@ -11,0 +12 @@ +<gloss>android</gloss> @@ -13 +13,0 @@ -<gloss>android</gloss> @@ -15 +14,0 @@ -<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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3. | A* 2018-09-06 08:25:27 Davide Della Via <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | Dragon Ball N° 23 Kanzenban https://ibb.co/fQ4jEe https://ibb.co/e9fPEe |
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Comments: | A cyborg is an organism, like we humans, that was modified with artificial parts. It belongs to the macro-category of jinzouningen, as well as androids/robots (completely mechanical things that resembles humans). Please, insert cyborg entry too. In the reference that I've upload, the character talks about N° 19 and N°20 jinzouningen as cyborgs. All the jinzouningen in Dragon Ball (but not only) are different kinds of jnz: for example, N°8 is a robot, N°17 and 18 are cyborgs, N°16 is another robot and Cell is an organism created from zero by a scientist. So, jinzouningen is, like a said, a macro-category, that include androids, cyborgs and organisms created from zero (with science or magic; about jnz created with magic/alchemy, see for example the introduction of Fullmetal Alchemist Live Action, on Netflix). |
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Diff: | @@ -14,0 +15 @@ +<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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2. | A 2018-09-02 23:02:02 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | gg5, eij |
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Comments: | i don't think this is two senses. also it's not really a cyborg. that's a real human with computer/machine elements |
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Diff: | @@ -13,4 +13 @@ -<gloss>artificianthrope</gloss> -</sense> -<sense> -<pos>&n;</pos> +<gloss>android</gloss> @@ -18 +14,0 @@ -<gloss>cyborg</gloss> |
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1. | A* 2018-09-02 16:57:46 Davide Della Via <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ホムンクルス |
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Comments: | Artificial human is the literal meaming. Robot and cyborg are only two type of things that belongs to jinzouningen's category. For example, also a human created with magic or alchemy (like in Fullmetal Alchemist) is a jinzouningen, an artificial human. "Artificianthrope" is a my neologism, that derive from "ARTIFICIal" + "anthrope", human in Greek. |
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Diff: | @@ -11,0 +12,5 @@ +<gloss>artificial human</gloss> +<gloss>artificianthrope</gloss> +</sense> +<sense> +<pos>&n;</pos> |