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A 2018-02-08 00:56:55 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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I'll be more comfortable if "god" doesn't lead sense 2, as it doesn't mean a deity. |
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@@ -27 +26,0 @@
-<gloss>god (amongst men)</gloss>
@@ -30,0 +30 @@
+<gloss>god (amongst men)</gloss> |
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A* 2018-02-07 22:42:48 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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@@ -27 +27 @@
-<gloss>god</gloss>
+<gloss>god (amongst men)</gloss> |
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A* 2018-02-07 22:40:39 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Hm. I should point out I did find a handful of entries
in daijr which are read -さん but given as -様, namely
いとさん【愛様・幼様】 (ksb)
はばかりさん【憚り様】(ksb)
てきさん【敵様】(arch) (also in daijs)
I still think we should split though because -様 for
-さん is definitely archaic and only relatively modern in
ksb, at best. It's a strenuous connection for a merge
esp. as it's in nikk alone - we don't merge entries
based on nikk's lack of okurigana, for example. |
| 12. |
A* 2018-02-07 22:16:58 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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daij |
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I don't think it only refers to the Christian God |
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+<gloss>god</gloss> |
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A* 2018-02-07 22:13:02 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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Proposing that 神さん is split out. Only nikk has 様 for
さん - daij both just say "〔「さま（様）」の転〕". We don't
normally include 様 for さん in other entries either. |
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@@ -13,3 +12,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>神さん</keb>
-</k_ele>
@@ -18,2 +14,0 @@
-<re_restr>神様</re_restr>
-<re_restr>神さま</re_restr>
@@ -23,5 +17,0 @@
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>かみさん</reb>
-<re_restr>神様</re_restr>
-<re_restr>神さん</re_restr> |
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A 2018-02-07 02:23:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Just trying to make sense 2 a little plainer. |
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+<gloss>superior person</gloss> |
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A* 2018-01-31 06:58:36 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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[fig] on "god" is a little unsightly, sure.
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I guess in a wa-ei, it makes sense to just have the one
"God" sense because when you're looking it up in
context, it'll be obvious if the usage is figurative or
not. But there are other use cases of a wa-ei as well.
Say somebody is writing in Japanese and wants to make
sure the word they just used carries the same
connotations in Japanese as in English. As for this
particular word, it's conceivable that using "God" in a
non-religious setting could be offensive, or considered
slang or whatever. Obviously it'd make the most sense to
look it up in a kokugo, but not everybody learning
Japanese can yet read one. |
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-<gloss g_type="fig">god</gloss>
+<gloss>god</gloss> |
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A* 2018-01-31 05:32:01 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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yeah, i don't really agree with that. i'm a firm believer that we don't have to assume that our users are mindless and we don't need to spoon-feed them every little thing
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also, if it's going to be indicated that "god" is figurative here, shouldn't it also be indicated that "ace" (lit meaning = 1) and "king" (lit meaning = royalty) are also being used figuratively here. and then a [lit] indicator might as well be added to sense 1.
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or just eliminate the mess, and gloss the entire entry with one sense as "God;god" |
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A* 2018-01-27 20:56:26 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I think we should always be explicit, esp.
when other dictionaries are. Users shouldn't
have to guess whether or not a figurative use
in English carries over into Japanese or not
(many times it doesn't!) |
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A* 2018-01-27 18:10:51 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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is this addition needed? the figurative sense is identical in both languages |
| 5. |
A* 2018-01-27 08:42:15 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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chujiten daij |
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@@ -30,0 +31 @@
+<misc>&hon;</misc>
@@ -32,0 +34,6 @@
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss g_type="fig">god</gloss>
+<gloss>ace</gloss>
+<gloss>king</gloss>
+</sense> |
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A 2016-01-27 02:35:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams:
神さん 105212
神様 5274193
神さま 506349 |
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Here, I think. |
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@@ -12,0 +13,3 @@
+<k_ele>
+<keb>神さん</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -14,0 +18,2 @@
+<re_restr>神様</re_restr>
+<re_restr>神さま</re_restr>
@@ -17,0 +23,5 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>かみさん</reb>
+<re_restr>神様</re_restr>
+<re_restr>神さん</re_restr> |
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A* 2016-01-11 04:35:49 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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nikk
かみ‐さん 【神様】 |
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perhaps added here or in a separate entry. the 神さん headword needs to be taken care of as well |
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A 2015-04-11 20:50:20 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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A* 2015-04-11 13:47:29 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Frequencies according to the Leeds Corpus (http://corpus.leeds.ac.uk/list.html)
神様 25.42
神さま 4.30 |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>神さま</keb> |