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[n]
▶ joke ▶ jest ▶ funny story
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10. | A 2021-10-28 20:01:20 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
9. | A* 2021-10-28 17:02:14 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 冗談を言って 28720 笑談を言って No matches |
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Comments: | I think we should drop the 笑談 note. It's only in meikyo as "もと「笑談」とも". |
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Diff: | @@ -37,2 +37 @@ -<xref type="see" seq="2589580">笑談・しょうだん・2</xref> -<s_inf>じょうだん is sometimes written 笑談</s_inf> +<gloss>joke</gloss> @@ -40 +38,0 @@ -<gloss>joke</gloss> |
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8. | A* 2021-10-27 08:29:02 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | 冗談の 90771 冗談のよう 29469 冗談のつもり 24113 冗談のような 17330 冗談のつもりで 13173 冗談のように 8222 冗談のつもりだっ 5359 冗談のつもりだった 5317 冗談のつもりで書い 3131 冗談の通じ 3041 冗談のつもりで書いた 2961 |
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Comments: | I don't think this is an adjective |
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Diff: | @@ -37 +36,0 @@ -<pos>&adj-no;</pos> |
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7. | A 2011-03-10 22:09:19 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I can't see rejected entries (unless I ask for them.) |
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6. | A* 2011-03-10 19:28:45 Scott | |
Comments: | another variant. And I don't understand why I can see the 3 rejected entries. |
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Diff: | @@ -15,0 +15,3 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>串戲</keb> |
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[n,adj-no]
《じょうだん is sometimes written 笑談》 ▶ jest ▶ joke ▶ funny story
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7. | R 2010-10-31 00:56:08 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | i think the idea is that most of the time we ==don't want it to show up== because the signal-to-noise ratio is so crumby if it were up to me, i'd toss most of the iK entries anyway. iK should be used for common misrepresentations, not one-off henkan errors or "a handful of guys wrote it like this a few hundred years ago but so infrequently that writers of real Japanese dictionaries have never even thought of including it". If writers consistently had to give yomigana so their readers could understand that they were using the reading じょうだん instead of しょうだん, that's a good sign that 笑談[じょうだん] was never in wide enough circulation to be relevant. |
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6. | A* 2010-10-26 23:00:34 Scott | |
Comments: | Replying to: "I think the point of putting in a comment is so that they don't get to be a headword. Even with an iK it creates something messy, e.g. for text glossing." Would the mess come from the fact that there would be two entries with 笑談 as an headword ? I don't care about this that much, but it would make sense to me to include it as an headword since it's used to write じょうだん by a couple of different writers. The problem with the note is that if something is just written in a note, it won't show up when doing a search on wwwjdic. Of course, I doubt that many people will be searching for 笑談 on wwjdic, but you never know. |
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Diff: | @@ -15,0 +15,4 @@ +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>笑談</keb> +<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> |
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5. | A* 2010-10-26 21:23:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | nikk |
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Comments: | Merging in Scott's suggested entry. |
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Diff: | @@ -22,0 +22,10 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>ぎだん</reb> +<re_restr>戯談</re_restr> +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>げだん</reb> +<re_restr>戯談</re_restr> +<re_inf>&ok;</re_inf> +</r_ele> @@ -26,1 +36,1 @@ -<s_inf>sometimes written 笑談</s_inf> +<s_inf>じょうだん is sometimes written 笑談</s_inf> @@ -29,0 +39,1 @@ +<gloss>funny story</gloss> |
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4. | A 2010-10-26 07:05:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
3. | A* 2010-10-26 07:04:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Diff: | @@ -25,0 +25,2 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2589580">笑談・しょうだん・2</xref> +<s_inf>sometimes written 笑談</s_inf> |
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[n,adj-no]
▶ jest ▶ joke
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6. | R 2010-10-26 21:19:42 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I think the point of putting in a comment is so that they don't get to be a headword. Even with an iK it creates something messy, e.g. for text glossing. |
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5. | A* 2010-10-26 15:40:53 Scott | |
Comments: | Not that I want to stretch the debate here, but I prefer having Kanji headwords in the proper field and using the iK tag. I'm not a big fan of extra headwords hidden in notes and I think that the iK tag is there for situations like these. The Soseki reference is nothing special and I see that it's used by others as well. (see http://www.google.co.jp/search?hl=ja&source=hp&q=笑談+じょうだん+site:www.aozora.gr.jp) |
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Diff: | @@ -16,0 +16,4 @@ +<k_ele> +<keb>笑談</keb> +<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> @@ -26,1 +30,0 @@ -<s_inf>sometimes written 笑談</s_inf> |
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4. | A 2010-10-26 07:05:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
3. | A* 2010-10-26 07:04:09 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Diff: | @@ -25,0 +25,2 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2589580">笑談・しょうだん・2</xref> +<s_inf>sometimes written 笑談</s_inf> |
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2. | A* 2010-10-25 20:53:33 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | yeah, i'm not buying it. 笑談 should have its own entry. and nikkoku lists its earliest usage as the 15th century, so it's not a soseki-ism those aren't ateji, btw. |
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Diff: | @@ -11,4 +11,0 @@ -<keb>笑談</keb> -<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> -</k_ele> -<k_ele> @@ -16,1 +12,0 @@ -<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> @@ -20,1 +15,0 @@ -<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> @@ -31,1 +25,0 @@ -<s_inf>笑談 is an ateji created by 夏目漱石</s_inf> |
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[n,adj-no]
《笑談 is an ateji created by 夏目漱石》 ▶ jest ▶ joke
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4. | R 2010-10-26 07:05:07 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Rejecting this branch so I can approve the other. |
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3. | A* 2010-10-25 23:20:15 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Keeping it as a note without the headword would work for me. I don't think they should be merged. |
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2. | A* 2010-10-25 23:11:40 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | My inclination is to drop 笑談 from the entry apart from an "also written". It was added in Sep. 2008 by Scott with the comment about 夏目漱石. I can see comments in WWW pages about it being read じょうだん. If it's not dropped, perhaps the entries should be merged? |
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Diff: | @@ -31,0 +31,2 @@ +<xref type="see" seq="2589580">笑談・しょうだん・2</xref> +<xref type="see" seq="2589580">笑談・しょうだん・2</xref> |
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1. | A* 2010-10-25 18:52:28 Scott | |
Refs: | nikk |
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Comments: | 笑談 is listed as しょうだん in both daij and koj so this might be a mistake. |
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Diff: | @@ -12,0 +12,9 @@ +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>戯談</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> +</k_ele> +<k_ele> +<keb>串戯</keb> +<ke_inf>&ateji;</ke_inf> |