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jmdict 1349920 Active (id: 2051382)
松竹梅 [news2,nf47]
【 しょうちくばい [news2,nf47] 】
1. [n]
▶ pine, bamboo and plum (an auspicious grouping)
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 2835273 歳寒三友 1. the three friends of winter (pine, bamboo and plum)
2. [n]
《from 松 down to 梅》
▶ high, middle and low (ranking)
▶ top, middle and bottom
▶ upper, medium, lower
▶ first, second and third (class)



History:
6. A 2019-11-05 10:44:41  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
5. A* 2019-11-05 07:47:48  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Refs: 
daijs
  Comments: 
"from 松 down to 梅" is maybe not entirely obvious
  Diff: 
@@ -16 +16,2 @@
-<gloss>pine, bamboo and plum (together an auspicious grouping)</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="2835273">歳寒三友</xref>
+<gloss>pine, bamboo and plum (an auspicious grouping)</gloss>
4. A 2013-01-30 23:07:25  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
3. A* 2013-01-30 22:29:10  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs: 
Daijr, GG5, 新和英中辞典, ルミナス
  Comments: 
None of the major JEs do that, and I don't really see much need for it either. A note may work (note that to keep the old EDICT format working, we avoid Japanese in the English parts.)
  Diff: 
@@ -20,1 +20,5 @@
-<gloss>high(松), middle(竹), and low ranking(梅)</gloss>
+<s_inf>from 松 down to 梅</s_inf>
+<gloss>high, middle and low (ranking)</gloss>
+<gloss>top, middle and bottom</gloss>
+<gloss>upper, medium, lower</gloss>
+<gloss>first, second and third (class)</gloss>
2. A* 2013-01-30 21:33:15  Francis
  Refs: 
See below.
  Comments: 
A little more checking on your site revealed that you have the ranking entered against each of the separate entries. I hope that you will see the benefit for the novice in having it confirmed here as well.
  Diff: 
@@ -20,1 +20,1 @@
-<gloss>high, middle, and low ranking</gloss>
+<gloss>high(松), middle(竹), and low ranking(梅)</gloss>
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jmdict 1349920 Rejected (id: 1121862)
松竹梅 [news2,nf47]
【 しょうちくばい [news2,nf47] 】
1. [n]
▶ pine, bamboo and plum (together an auspicious grouping)
2. [n]
▶ high, middle, and low ranking
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 1349860 松 2. highest (of a three-tier ranking system)
  ⇒ see: 1422230 竹 2. middle (of a three-tier ranking system)
  ⇒ see: 1473460 梅 2. lowest (of a three-tier ranking system)

History:
5. R 2013-01-30 23:07:15  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
Okay.  Rejecting this branch to approve another that Jim has started.
4. A* 2013-01-30 22:36:20  Francis
  Refs: 
See below.
  Comments: 
I think that is a good solution for dealing with my point. As a novice I have often found things in Japanese to be the reverse of what I had expected. Even when I have heard Japanese speak in English, they often say things in the reverse order to what I may say things. When dealing with plant life, as a basis for ranking, I thought a plum may be more important than a pine [for humans, plums are good to eat, but maybe the pine is good for making furniture, etc.] and the reverse order of Japanese things was an influence on my thinking; until I happened to look up "pine" for something else. Anyway, many thanks for that and I hope that your suggestion is supported.
3. A* 2013-01-30 22:20:21  Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
  Comments: 
-Kanji can't be used in glosses.
-The order of the English phrases is the same as the kanji, so I'm not sure even the x-refs are necessary.
  Diff: 
@@ -20,1 +20,4 @@
-<gloss>high(松), middle(竹), and low ranking(梅)</gloss>
+<xref type="see" seq="1349860">松・2</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1422230">竹・2</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="1473460">梅・2</xref>
+<gloss>high, middle, and low ranking</gloss>
2. A* 2013-01-30 21:33:15  Francis
  Refs: 
See below.
  Comments: 
A little more checking on your site revealed that you have the ranking entered against each of the separate entries. I hope that you will see the benefit for the novice in having it confirmed here as well.
  Diff: 
@@ -20,1 +20,1 @@
-<gloss>high, middle, and low ranking</gloss>
+<gloss>high(松), middle(竹), and low ranking(梅)</gloss>
1. A* 2013-01-30 20:43:45  Francis
  Refs: 
See below.
  Comments: 
It may seem obvious to a Japanese person or someone familiar with Japanese' thinking, but I wonder if you could indicate which is high, middle and low ranking, e.g., high ranking (梅), middle ranking (竹), low ranking (松).

I have probably got it wrong, but although it is clearly a normal usage and I can find the concept of "high, middle, low" against the entry above elsewhere, I have not seen any which indicates which is which. Perhaps you can eliminate that doubt.

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