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A 2020-08-28 23:10:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Quiet for a while. |
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A* 2020-08-24 05:20:04 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A 2020-08-24 05:15:11 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK. I'll revert to the earlier glosses, lock it in, and then reopen to enable further discussion, if any. |
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-<gloss g_type="expl">having wedding photographs taken in outfits and location not related to the actual wedding</gloss>
+<gloss>photo-only wedding</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">having wedding photography taken without holding an actual wedding</gloss> |
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A* 2020-08-22 04:51:23 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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https://www.watabe-wedding.co.jp/photo/about/ ← they offer both 前撮り (staged pre-wedding photos) and 写真結婚(フォトウェディング). Nowhere
are they saying those two are the same thing.
http://ウェディングフォト.com/blog/結婚写真 なぜこんなに価格が違うの？もう迷わ/ ← no mention of 写真結婚, only 結婚写真 (wedding photography)
https://www.la-viephoto.com/ ← no specific mention of 写真結婚, but in a list of their services, they have 前撮り and 写真だけの結婚式.
they're listed as different services and under 写真だけの結婚式 it says "フォトウェディング（写真だけの結婚式） 結婚式はしないけどウェディングドレ
スや和装を着ておふたりの生涯残せる想い出を築きます"
the photo taking is essentially the wedding. there's no other "actual wedding". |
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A* 2020-08-22 04:39:02 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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https://www.watabe-wedding.co.jp/photo/about/
https://www.la-viephoto.com/
http://ウェディングフォト.com/blog/結婚写真 なぜこんなに価格が違うの？もう迷わ/ |
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All the sites I looked at for 写真結婚 and フォトウェディング discussed the photos in the context of 前撮り/後撮り/etc. In other words, there was a wedding but it was/would be at a different time from the photoshoot. It's not *just* a photo after which the couple go different ways.
Re the mail-order, all the discussion I have seen on this practice involved an exchange of photos - a sort of remote omiai. "mail-order" implies a catalogue, and I have never seen reference to such things in the historical practice of overseas Japanese communities. I've suggested a trim of the first gloss. |
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-<gloss>photo-only wedding</gloss>
+<gloss>staged wedding photographs</gloss>
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-<gloss>marriage arranged after both parties have viewed each other's photographs</gloss>
+<gloss>marriage arranged after viewing photographs</gloss> |
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A* 2020-08-22 03:36:39 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I don't think the expl on sense 1 is correct - there is no "actual wedding" in this case.
enwiki: "A mail-order bride is a woman who lists herself in catalogs and is selected by a man for marriage. In the twentieth century,
the trend was primarily towards women living in developing countries seeking men in more developed nations."
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/写真花嫁
"2. 経済的な理由として、2-a. 貧しい家庭では娘を養うことができないために、できるだけ早く結婚させようとした。2-b. これは子沢山の家庭では後から生まれた
子供たちの教育のためにも必要であり..."
I think "mail-order" works quite well here. I'm not sure we should specify both parties viewed each other's photos. If we need a long
gloss, it's more important to mention this was about Japan-based wives being sent of too Japanese men abroad (which again, is one reason
why I think "mail-order" works) |
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A* 2020-08-22 02:17:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5 (sense 2): a marriage agreed to after both parties have viewed each other's photographs, without actually meeting; a photo marriage. |
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My take on it. "mail order" implies some sort of purchase - I don't think it works.
写真結婚 used to be very popular in front of the Sydney Opera House - the "Sexy Honeymoon" companies used to advertise it as an optional extra. |
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-<gloss>photo (only) wedding</gloss>
-<gloss>having wedding photography taken without holding an actual wedding</gloss>
+<gloss>photo-only wedding</gloss>
+<gloss g_type="expl">having wedding photographs taken in outfits and location not related to the actual wedding</gloss>
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+<gloss>marriage arranged after both parties have viewed each other's photographs</gloss>
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-<gloss>mail-order marriage</gloss> |
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A* 2020-08-21 10:41:55 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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おおｐｓ． |
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-<xref type="see">フォトウェディング</xref>
+<xref type="see" seq="2846238">フォトウェディング</xref>
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-<gloss>post-order marriage</gloss>
+<gloss>mail-order marriage</gloss> |
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A* 2020-08-21 06:05:26 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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写真結婚 1687
写婚 442
写婚花嫁 No matches
写婚妻 172
フォトウェディング 8491
sense 1: (dominates the google results)
https://www.weddingpost.co.jp/wedding/photowedding.html
"「シンプルな2人だけの結婚式」、「結婚式では着ない色んな衣装を着てみたい」、「落ち着いた雰囲気でお二人の思い出作り」様々なシーンでご利用頂
ける写婚（フォトウェディング）。
そんな写婚（フォトウェディング）で、お好みの衣装を自由にお選び頂ける、大変お得な4つのプランをご用意致しました。"
https://www.veltra.com/jp/japan/mie/a/155080
"【日本の聖地・伊勢神宮】お伊勢さん「写婚」写真に収める二人の結婚姿！＜伊勢神宮／結婚式／和装・洋装貸出／密着スナップ写真付＞"
"写婚とは、結婚式のスタイルのひとつであり、挙式や披露宴をしないカップルが結婚式の代わりに写真を撮影することです。"
sense 2:
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/295359833.pdf
"移民史では、写真結婚（picture marriage）を短縮して写婚あるい"
https://www.amazon.co.jp/写婚妻―花嫁は一枚の見�
%90%88%E3%81%84%E5%86%99%E7%9C%9F%E3%82%92%E6%89%8B%E3%81%AB%E6%B5%B7%E3%82%92%E6%B8%A1%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A6%E3%81%84%E3%81%A3%E3%
81%9F-%E5%B7%A5%E8%97%A4-%E7%BE%8E%E4%BB%A3%E5%AD%90/dp/4810701646
book titled "写婚妻―花嫁は一枚の見合い写真を手に海を渡っていった"
http://www.jaas.gr.jp/jjas/PDF/2004/No.15-115.pdf
"Japanese Picture Marriage and the Image
of Immigrant Women
in Early Twentieth-Century California"
"Picture marriage (shashin kekkon) was a common practice among Japanese immigrants in Hawaii and the continental United States
in the early twentieth century." |
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+<xref type="see">フォトウェディング</xref>
+<gloss>photo (only) wedding</gloss>
+<gloss>having wedding photography taken without holding an actual wedding</gloss>
+</sense>
+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<misc>&hist;</misc>
+<gloss>picture marriage</gloss>
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-<gloss g_type="expl">marriage arranged via photographs</gloss>
+<gloss>post-order marriage</gloss> |
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A 2019-07-21 21:09:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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Could possibly add "(former practice)". |
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-<gloss>picture marriage</gloss>
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A* 2019-07-21 14:18:43 Opencooper
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Might be easy to misinterpret the gloss as a "picturesque" or "ideal" marriage.
[Aside: It seems this practice specifically refers to Japanese-American laborers who sent back home for a wife; seems to be some rich history here, but of course, off-topic in this context :p] |
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+<gloss g_type="expl">marriage arranged via photographs</gloss> |