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A 2019-07-23 21:49:32 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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meikyo
じ‐どう【自動】
[名] 機械などが自身の力で動き働くこと。オートマチック。
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eij
自動の
形
automatic（機械の動作などが）〔【反】manual〕
automaticus
horseless（車などが）
self-acting
self-moved
self-moving
self-operating |
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there's no question that this is an [n], it's just a question of whether it should be glossed that way. i agree that it shouldn't. also, yes, it should be adj-no (which includes adj-f) |
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-<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<xref type="ant" seq="1328240">手動</xref> |
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A* 2019-07-23 11:52:48 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams:
自動 19067288
自動で 4663813
自動の 108802
自動に 53063
自動が 3684 |
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[adj-no] is at least better than [n]
I've never really understood what [adj-f] is,
but many of our [adj-f] entries seem to be prefixes in compound nouns rather than adjectives |
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A* 2019-07-23 10:03:40 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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I think the usage in things like 自動ドア is just a noun in a compound noun, not adjectival. But even if we decide it's adjectival, 自動
is also commonly used as an adj-no (which I count as "noun" use)... which means normally we'd tag it as adj-no, not adj-f (because that's
implied by adj-no). I think [adj-no,n] would be better than [adj-f]
(I see our 半自動 entry is [n,adj-f] "semi-automatic", while 全自動 is [adj-no] "totally automatic") |
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A* 2019-07-23 06:00:28 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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gg5 koj daijs
G n-grams |
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Noun usage is marginal
Mostly used in compounds
There is also the very common adverb 自動で which maybe should be its own entry |
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@@ -20,4 +20,2 @@
-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<gloss>automatic action</gloss>
-<gloss>automation operation</gloss>
-<gloss>self-motion</gloss>
+<pos>&adj-f;</pos>
+<gloss>automatic</gloss> |
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A 2018-06-13 10:55:45 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Oops. Deleted the kanji by accident. |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>自働</keb>
@@ -22,0 +26 @@
+<stagk>自動</stagk> |
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A 2018-06-12 23:04:10 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2018-06-12 19:06:33 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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daij, koj, gg5 |
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自働 is in all the kokugos. Not [iK].
I don't think it's is [adj-no]. Eijiro has zero examples. It's either 自動[noun] or 自動的. |
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@@ -10,4 +9,0 @@
-<k_ele>
-<keb>自働</keb>
-<ke_inf>&iK;</ke_inf>
-</k_ele>
@@ -21 +16,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos>
@@ -23 +18,2 @@
-<gloss>automatic</gloss>
+<gloss>automatic action</gloss>
+<gloss>automation operation</gloss>
@@ -27 +22,0 @@
-<pos>&adj-no;</pos> |