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[n]
[hist]
▶ black ships ▶ [expl] Western ships that came to Japan between the 16th and 19th centuries, esp. those of the Perry Expedition in 1853 |
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[n]
▶ foreign disruptor (of the Japanese market) ▶ product, person, etc. arriving from the West and disturbing the Japanese market |
6. | A 2020-10-29 19:42:21 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Looks ok. |
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5. | A* 2020-10-29 13:33:35 Robin Scott <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I think it's worth mentioning Perry at least. How about this? Regarding [id] on sense 2, I don't think it's necessary given that this sense is just a figurative use of sense 1. It's not really what I'd consider an idiom. |
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Diff: | @@ -18 +18 @@ -<gloss g_type="expl">Western ships which came to Japan between the 16th and 19th centuries</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">Western ships that came to Japan between the 16th and 19th centuries, esp. those of the Perry Expedition in 1853</gloss> |
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4. | A* 2020-10-29 07:19:37 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Isn't the fact that they brought about the opening of Japan worth mentioning? Daijs and nikk btw all have a separate sense for "esp. the black ships of the Perry Expedition" |
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3. | A* 2020-10-29 07:12:34 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I think it was a bit encyclopedic I sugest a rather major pruning. |
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Diff: | @@ -18 +18 @@ -<gloss g_type="expl">Western ships, often painted with tar, that came to Japan between the 16th and 18th centuries, esp. those of the Perry Expedition (1853) that led to the opening of Japan</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">Western ships which came to Japan between the 16th and 19th centuries</gloss> |
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2. | A* 2020-10-28 06:36:18 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | daijs |
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Comments: | Too wordy? |
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Diff: | @@ -16 +16,3 @@ -<gloss>black ships (i.e. Western ships, often painted with tar, that came to Japan in the 16th century)</gloss> +<misc>&hist;</misc> +<gloss>black ships</gloss> +<gloss g_type="expl">Western ships, often painted with tar, that came to Japan between the 16th and 18th centuries, esp. those of the Perry Expedition (1853) that led to the opening of Japan</gloss> |
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