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A 2018-06-05 23:19:45 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, I yield. I'm going to link two sentences to it; one for each non-sense. |
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-<pos>&n;</pos>
-<s_inf>esp. 何人も and 何人か</s_inf> |
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A* 2018-06-05 19:52:24 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I prefer having separate [exp] entries for constructions like 何人か. To me, that's clearer.
I don't think we have to worry about creating a bunch more 何[counter]か entries when we don't have corresponding 何[counter] entries. No ref (including us) has entries for 何匹, 何本, etc.
But if we are keeping this gloss, I think GG5's approach is best - one sense rather than two. |
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A* 2018-06-05 03:36:19 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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It's a grammar point, but the meaning of the word does change as a result of affixing か/も and both daijr and GG5
explicitly mention it. I don't think it's reasonable to expect dictionary users to understand that a word with "how
many people" as the only gloss could ever come to mean "a number of people", regardless of what particle might follow.
I don't think we should have separate entries for 何人も/か because then we might as well add 何匹も/か, 何本も/か, etc.
as well. (I also don't think we really need the なんびとも or the なんにんか entries).
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I don't think "a number of people" absolutely has to be its own sense though, I'd be happy to do what GG5 does. |
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A* 2018-06-05 02:21:17 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A few points:
(a) we have a long-term 何人か/なんにんか entry already, with 66 sentences indexed to it
(b) since we already have a 何人も/なにびとも, etc. entry, I feel it's quite appropriate to cover the 何人も/なんにんも case as well. Otherwise people who are not yet up to unpacking the grammar will be thrown by something like この街は何人もの著名人を生み出した.
I'm guessing that's why GG5 included it, and I think we should too, either as a sense here or in a separate 何人も entry. |
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A* 2018-06-04 10:28:20 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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何[counter]か/も is a grammar point. I don't think we should be including it as a sense. |
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A* 2018-06-04 02:41:26 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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This does apply to every 何~ entry though. 何匹か飼ってるよ。何個かが落ちてた
For consistency, it could be argued we should apply it to every entry if we do add it to this one.
(I wouldn't be opposed to that) |
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A* 2018-06-04 00:12:00 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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How about this? Otherwise we need 何人も/何人か entriues for this meaning. |
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+<s_inf>esp. 何人も and 何人か</s_inf> |
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A* 2018-06-03 14:41:23 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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人数が不明のときや、大まかな数をいうときに用いる語。いく
人。何名。 「 -ぐらい集まったか」 「 -応募があるか
な」 「 -かが手を挙げた」 |
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daijr mentions both these meanings in their な
んにん entry, even if they don't bother
splitting it into 2 senses. I think it does
belong here. |
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A* 2018-06-03 12:53:17 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Ok. The point remains. 何人 on its own doesn't mean "a number of people". |
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A* 2018-06-03 10:53:12 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
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It does in "何人かは来ていたよ。" |
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A* 2018-06-03 10:38:35 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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I don't think 何人 ever means "a number of people" without the も. |
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A* 2018-06-02 23:09:54 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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GG5 (何人/なんにん): "how many (people); a number of people."
Tanaka sentences currently indexed to 何人も:
今回の選挙は激戦で元大臣が何人も落ちた。 The last election was such a hot contest that several ex-ministers lost.
この街は何人もの著名人を生み出した。 This town gave birth to several great men.
もう何人も日本人がその家庭にはホームステイしているから、きっと日本人の好みの味を知っているんだと思うよ。 I'm sure that family is familiar with Japanese tastes in food. They've hosted quite a few Japanese exchange students. |
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Needs a second sense. Those sentences are currently wrongly indexed to 何人も, and should be linked to this (new) sense. |
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+<sense>
+<pos>&n;</pos>
+<gloss>a number of people</gloss>
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A 2018-04-05 19:58:23 Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
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Not a sentence. |
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-<gloss>how many people?</gloss>
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A 2018-04-05 09:37:48 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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G n-grams 3819861 |
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+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
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+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri>
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-<gloss>how many? (people)</gloss>
+<gloss>how many people?</gloss> |