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jmdict 1175570 Active (id: 2081324)
[ichi1,news1,nf05] [oK]
えん [ichi1,news1,nf05]
1. [n]
▶ yen (Japanese monetary unit)
2. [n]
▶ circle



History:
19. A 2020-09-18 02:45:20  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
No, furigana.info's frequency info is mainly based on furigana usage in 青空文庫 novels/short stories.
18. A 2020-09-18 02:11:59  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I think that site just uses dictionary information, so in terms of usage it's irrelevant.
17. A* 2020-09-17 02:19:09  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
https://furigana.info/w/円
“円”のいろいろな読み方と例文
まる	62.8%
まろ	10.1%
...
えん	4.5%
(this includes 円い, 円やか, etc. though)
16. A* 2020-09-17 01:54:26  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Reopen.
15. A 2020-09-17 01:54:08  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
えんを描く	< 20
まるを描く	54
  Comments:
I'm happy with this order, but the note has to go - that sense is alive and well. I wonder how many people on seeing 円 solo in the context of a circle would read it as えん rather than まる?
I'll close this, and reopen for further discussion, if needed.
  Diff:
@@ -26 +25,0 @@
-<s_inf>orig. meaning</s_inf>
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jmdict 1175570 Rejected (id: 2081198)
[ichi1,news1,nf05] [oK]
えん [ichi1,news1,nf05]
1. [n]
▶ yen (Japanese monetary unit)
2. [n]
《orig. meaning》
▶ circle

History:
13. R 2020-09-17 01:23:28  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Fork.
12. A* 2020-09-17 01:13:17  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
That's never been a hard-and-fast rule, though. We'll often put less common senses first, e.g. when there's a literal and figurative meaning.
The major JEs also tend to put more common senses first but they all lead with "circle" in this case.
11. A* 2020-09-17 00:35:02  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
But... the dictionary style is to put the most 
common meaning first. Esp. when we're talking 
spoken language, "yen" must be more than 2 
orders of magnitude more common as a meaning 
for 円 than "circle" is. I don't think we 
should make ad-hoc exceptions on the fly 
either, if "circle" should come first, then we 
should implement a concise and clear rule/test 
for when a less common meaning should 
supersede the most common one.
10. A* 2020-09-17 00:16:07  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I don't think it matters that "yen" is more common. 円/circle is an extremely common and basic word. Looks odd having it after the currency sense.
9. A* 2020-09-16 22:33:37  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
"yen" is the more common meaning by far, so I 
disagree. (I don't think the note is needed 
either.)
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