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ロリコン
1. [n] [abbr]
《oft. used self-referentially》
▶ lolicon
▶ sexual attraction to prepubescent girls
▶ male pedophile
▶ male pedophilia
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 1148090 ロリータコンプレックス 1. lolicon; sexual obsession with young girls; male pedophile; male pedophilia
  ⇐ see: 2835376 炉裏【ロリ】 2. lolicon; sexual obsession with young girls; male pedophile; male pedophilia
  ⇐ see: 2058650 ショタコン 1. sexual interest in young boys; boy love



History:
25. A 2023-10-22 20:43:50  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Agree.
24. A 2023-10-22 13:31:01  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
mk (特に中年男性が)
nikk 男性が、
  Comments:
I don't mind "attraction" over "obsession" or "prebubescent" over "young" but I'm not seeing the point of adding rare words like "gynephilic" to secondary glosses (as this meaning is already obvious from the second gloss). It's true a woman could flippantly call herself a "lolicon" despite not being a man but that's true for a lot of gendered language/words and without qualifiers, I don't think anybody would ever assume this word refers to anything but a man.
  Diff:
@@ -14,2 +14,2 @@
-<gloss>(esp. male) gynephilic pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>(esp. male) gynephilic pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
23. A* 2023-10-12 01:10:05 
  Refs:
senkoku, daijr, iwanami
  Comments:
sexual obsession doesn't make much sense, kokugos tend to use 性愛の対象 which is closer to sexual attraction 
using "young girls" (or "very young girls" by gg5) seems pretty euphemistic, kokugos do use 少女 which is ambiguous but nobody would use ロリコン for someone attracted to a 17yo girl. + they often do add 幼女 to be more clear, so prepubescent is a better rendering in my opinion.
"gynephilic" (or a synonym) is needed because "pedophile" alone implies that ロリコン could be someone sexually attracted to prepubescent boys as well which is not the case.
i guess "esp. male" is the most controversial change. i think this image of ロリコン is due to the male-dominated otaku culture (and most pedophiles being male). it's fair to include it, but it doesn't seem *necessary* to be a ロリコン which is probably why many kokugos don't mention it all.
22. A* 2023-10-12 00:27:06  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Given the extensive discussion last year about edits to this entry, I think case should be made for these proposed changes. Justification for the inclusion of gynephilic is needed.
21. A* 2023-10-11 16:00:33 
  Diff:
@@ -10 +9,0 @@
-<xref type="see" seq="1148090">ロリータコンプレックス</xref>
@@ -14,3 +13,3 @@
-<gloss>sexual obsession with young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual attraction to prepubescent girls</gloss>
+<gloss>(esp. male) gynephilic pedophile</gloss>
+<gloss>(esp. male) gynephilic pedophilia</gloss>
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jmdict 1148100 Rejected (id: 2228016)

ロリコン
1. [n] [abbr]
《oft. used self-referentially》
▶ lolicon
▶ sexual obsession with (fictional) young-looking petit girls
Cross references:
  ⇒ see: 1148090 ロリータコンプレックス 1. lolicon; sexual obsession with young girls; male pedophile; male pedophilia
  ⇐ see: 2835376 炉裏【ロリ】 2. lolicon; sexual obsession with young girls; male pedophile; male pedophilia
  ⇐ see: 2058650 ショタコン 1. sexual interest in young boys; boy love

History:
22. R 2023-04-06 12:53:01  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
21. A* 2023-04-06 12:25:41  Jan Gesterkamp <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
https://baike.baidu.com/item/萝莉控/375835
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon and most of the sources sited there. 
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリコン
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ロリコン
  Comments:
Bonus:
https://kenakamatsu.jp/cat-movie/post-20282/
https://kenakamatsu.jp/cat-nothing/post-20302/
https://kenakamatsu.jp/cat-expression/post-20328/
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/ロリ
https://dic.nicovideo.jp/a/ロリ
https://goisu.net/cgi-bin/psychology/psychology.cgi?menu=c021
It's irrelevent whether or not the definition is the same as what general public thinks. Terms of a niche within a niche are often misunderstood anyway. People who create (and consume) within a niche should determine the definition. Furthermore, There is another important difference. Lolicon is strictly sexual attracted to females, while pedophilia could be sexual attraction to both sexes, male or female. Lastly, you don't have to be male to be a lolicon, as there are popular (Japanese) female influencers calling themselfs a lolicon.
  Diff:
@@ -13,3 +13 @@
-<gloss>sexual obsession with young girls</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophile</gloss>
-<gloss>male pedophilia</gloss>
+<gloss>sexual obsession with (fictional) young-looking petit girls</gloss>
20. A 2022-07-08 21:24:20  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I'll align the ロリータコンプレックス and ロリ glosses.
19. A 2022-07-07 13:25:00  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I don't mind it.

I asked a native speaker btw what they thought and they said (ことばとして)軽いじゃ軽いけど、ペドファイルじゃペドファイル。 I don't think they're actually considered two different things to most Japanese (outside of the otaku realm), but it might certainly be the case that there's a weaker connotation of "actual child molester" than there is for say ペドファイル.
  Diff:
@@ -12,0 +13 @@
+<gloss>sexual obsession with young girls</gloss>
18. A* 2022-07-07 12:42:18  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
GG5: 〔その男性〕 a man attracted to very young girls.
●あいつはロリコンだ. He's into very young girls. | He has a thing for very young girls.
中辞典:  a sexual obsession with young girls; a “Lolita complex”.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
  Comments:
I'll accept that pedophile/pedophilia are probably accurate glosses, but I note that the JEs avoid that term. I suspect that in Japan there is a view that lolicon and pedophilia are slightly different things, but if you look at the actual definition of pedophilia, they are really the same.
Is there a problem with including "sexual obsession with young girls" in the glosses?
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