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A 2019-12-13 01:30:26 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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OK, I'll drop the 石鹸玉 and close it. I've proposed a 石鹸玉/せっけんだま entry. |
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-</k_ele>
-<k_ele>
-<keb>石鹸玉</keb> |
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A* 2019-12-09 23:07:06 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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石鹸玉 722
石けん玉 213
https://blog.goo.ne.jp/take10nbo/e/02aff32bb5b03b6e193a66668c7144e3 - picture with both 石鹸玉 and シャボン玉 captions.
https://ja.pngtree.com/freepng/transparent-soap-bubbles_488041.html - soap bubbles labelled 透明石鹸玉 |
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Yes, 石鹸玉 is quite an outlier, and as the n-grams show, it's quite possibly often せっけんだま rather than しゃぼんだま.
That said, I'm seeing some images of soap bubbles labelled 石鹸玉, as well as cases where they are plainly soap balls.
What I suggest is adding a new 石鹸玉/石けん玉/せっけんだま entry with two senses: soap balls and soap bubbles, with the bubble sense xrefed to here with a note like "occ. read しゃぼん玉". Would that work? |
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A* 2019-12-09 18:32:36 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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ngrams:
シャボン玉 = 504440
石鹸玉 = 722 |
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relatively speaking, this form is extremely rare (~0.1%). in addition, google image hits for 石鹸玉 are mostly *not* of soap bubbles, but of soap balls or seemingly irrelevant things, so it is arguably not that common absolutely either.
further, there's no indication how often 石鹸玉 is expected to be read as シャボンだま without providing furigana.
i'm inclined to reject |
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A* 2019-12-09 14:07:54 Nicolas Maia
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https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=20191209-00010013-magacol-life&p=1 |
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+</k_ele>
+<k_ele>
+<keb>石鹸玉</keb> |
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A 2015-09-20 10:45:34 Paul Upchurch <...address hidden...>
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A* 2015-09-20 09:35:34 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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Oops! |
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-<reb>しゃぼんたま</reb>
+<reb>しゃぼんだま</reb> |
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A* 2015-09-20 09:26:15 Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
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KM ngrams:
シャボン玉 9399
しゃぼん玉 1070 |
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+<k_ele>
+<keb>しゃぼん玉</keb>
+</k_ele>
@@ -9,0 +13 @@
+<re_restr>シャボン玉</re_restr>
@@ -10,0 +15,4 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>しゃぼんたま</reb>
+<re_restr>しゃぼん玉</re_restr> |
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A 2012-01-23 03:03:44 Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
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A* 2012-01-22 22:38:22 Rene Malenfant <...address hidden...>
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not grg |
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@@ -6,1 +6,1 @@
-<ke_pri>gai1</ke_pri>
+<ke_pri>spec1</ke_pri>
@@ -10,1 +10,1 @@
-<re_pri>gai1</re_pri>
+<re_pri>spec1</re_pri> |