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jmdict 1005190 Active (id: 2275961)

さっさと [ichi1] サッサと [sk]
1. [adv] [on-mim]
▶ quickly
▶ promptly
▶ immediately
▶ without delay
▶ briskly
▶ hurriedly
▶ hastily
Cross references:
  ⇐ see: 2858207 ベルサッサ 1. rushing off as soon as the bell rings; rushing home upon hearing the end-of-day bell; running to the schoolyard at the lunchtime bell
2. [adv] [on-mim]
▶ indifferently
▶ coldly



History:
16. A 2023-08-31 02:02:42  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
15. A* 2023-08-30 23:29:22  Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Adding [sk] as discussed below
  Diff:
@@ -9,0 +10 @@
+<re_inf>&sk;</re_inf>
14. A 2022-07-19 12:07:28  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
There is a good reason for having a form like サッサと available to text-glossing systems. It is very useful, if not vital, to be able to handle katakana forms a bit separately. I'm comfortable with サッサと ending up as a search-only/hidden form, because glossing software can still use it, but it's important that it be available.
13. A 2022-07-19 04:00:03  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Yes, esp. when it comes to hiragana vs katakana I think "90k in the ngrams" by itself is a meaningless statistic. Jisho, yomichan, wwwjdic can all find this entry fine without "サッサと" being explicitly included.
12. A 2022-07-19 00:06:43  Robin Scott <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
I don't think it matters so much when it's simply hiragana vs. katakana. Most clients handle the conversion themselves.
I have no objection to keeping it for now but I agree with Marcus that it should be a hidden form. アリガトウ gets a massive 230475 n-grams but we (rightly) don't include it as a reading.
Once hidden forms are implemented, I see no reason not to use percentage-based thresholds (allowing for exceptions here and there).
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jmdict 1005190 Rejected (id: 2196902)

さっさと
1. [adv] [on-mim]
▶ promptly
▶ immediately
▶ quickly
▶ without delay
2. [adv] [on-mim]
▶ indifferently

History:
8. R 2022-07-16 11:44:54  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Comments:
Fork
7. A* 2022-07-16 11:44:01  Marcus Richert <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
さっさと	2034140	95.4%
サッサと	98272	4.6% ← don't think this is needed. hiddenForm サッサと



さっさやれ	58	0.8%
サッサやれ	0	0.0%
さっさとやれ	7086	96.7%
サッサとやれ	181	2.5%


さっさと帰って	45250	99.7%
さっさ帰って	145	0.3%


daijs has さっさ
koj daijr gg5 meikyo gakkoku have さっさと
nikk has both (さっさ redir to さっさと)
  Comments:
No, they don't share PoS so it has to be one or the other. But I actually think we should amend this to さっさと as I can't recall ever hearing it used without the と, and that's what most other references have this as.
  Diff:
@@ -5,7 +4,0 @@
-<reb>さっさ</reb>
-<re_pri>ichi1</re_pri>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
-<reb>サッサ</reb>
-</r_ele>
-<r_ele>
@@ -14,3 +6,0 @@
-<r_ele>
-<reb>サッサと</reb>
-</r_ele>
@@ -18 +7,0 @@
-<pos>&adv-to;</pos>
@@ -27 +15,0 @@
-<pos>&adv-to;</pos>
6. A* 2022-07-16 01:54:07 
  Refs:
Unidic
サッサと (副詞,*,*,*,*,*) Base: さっさと : さっさと
さっさと (副詞,*,*,*,*,*) Base: さっさと : さっさと
  Comments:
For some reason, Unidic have this adverb with concatenated と. Can we add these readings?
  Diff:
@@ -9,0 +10,6 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>さっさと</reb>
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>サッサと</reb>
5. A 2016-10-11 23:04:12  Jim Breen <...address hidden...>
4. A* 2016-10-11 16:00:55  Johan Råde <...address hidden...>
  Refs:
G n-grams:
 さっさ	  59724	  (さっさ)
 さっさと	2033605	  (さっさと)
 サッサ	 108329	  (サッサ)
 サッサと	  98272	  (サッサと)
confusing numbers
------------------------
 さっさと帰って	45250
 サッサと帰って	 3257
  Diff:
@@ -6,0 +7,3 @@
+</r_ele>
+<r_ele>
+<reb>サッサ</reb>
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