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[adj-na,adj-no]
▶ bargain ▶ good-value ▶ economical |
16. | A 2023-10-01 00:59:33 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Diff: | @@ -13 +13 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> @@ -17 +17 @@ -<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> +<ke_inf>&sK;</ke_inf> |
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15. | A 2022-07-20 07:21:33 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | I rejected the other branch. Look at the "Rejected" version to see Stephen's comments. |
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14. | A* 2022-07-20 02:21:24 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | (Fork) |
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13. | A* 2022-07-20 01:33:35 Marcus Richert <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | おとく 128207 0.4% お得 22976441 77.4% お徳 284254 1.0% hiddenForm? 御得 5216 0.0% hiddenForm 御徳 2627 0.0% hiddenForm おトク 6281945 21.2% |
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Comments: | I think "good-value" fits? 定価より ¥319 おトク! 319 better value than the list price (good value, better value, best value) |
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Diff: | @@ -8,0 +9 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -11,0 +13 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -14,0 +17 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -18,0 +22,4 @@ +<r_ele> +<reb>おトク</reb> +<re_nokanji/> +</r_ele> @@ -21,0 +29,2 @@ +<gloss>bargain</gloss> +<gloss>good-value</gloss> @@ -23,3 +31,0 @@ -<gloss>bargain</gloss> -<gloss>good value</gloss> -<gloss>good-value</gloss> |
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12. | A* 2022-07-19 12:39:47 | |
Refs: | jitsuyo: https://www.weblio.jp/content/お得 |
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Comments: | there's a shopping site that says 定価より ¥319 おトク! meaning "¥319 cheaper than list price" or "save ¥319 from list price" here's another, a bit nonsensical example where the glosses don't really fit: 「なんでグラスが2つあるのよ。用意が周到過ぎない?」 「そ、それは‥‥私が両手にグラスをもって飲むためよ。」 「なによ、それ。」 「そうすると、何度もお酒をつぐ手間が省けるじゃない。2倍お得よね。」 |
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[adj-na,adj-no]
▶ economical ▶ bargain ▶ good value ▶ good-value |
14. | R 2022-07-20 07:20:31 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Most of these edits were also in an edit done by Marcus. I'll reject this branch. |
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13. | A* 2022-07-19 19:06:39 Stephen Kraus <...address hidden...> | |
Refs: | Google N-gram Corpus Counts ╭─ーーーーーー─┬───────────╮ │ おトク │ 6,281,874 │ │ おトクに買う │ 2,775,618 │ ╰─ーーーーーー─┴───────────╯ ╭─ーーー─┬────────────┬───────╮ │ お得 │ 22,976,441 │ 77.4% │ │ お徳 │ 284,254 │ 1.0% │ 🡠 rK │ 御得 │ 5,216 │ 0.0% │ 🡠 rK │ 御徳 │ 2,627 │ 0.0% │ 🡠 rK │ おとく │ 128,207 │ 0.4% │ │ おトク │ 6,281,945 │ 21.2% │ 🡠 adding ╰─ーーー─┴────────────┴───────╯ |
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Diff: | @@ -8,0 +9 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -11,0 +13 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -14,0 +17 @@ +<ke_inf>&rK;</ke_inf> @@ -17,0 +21,4 @@ +</r_ele> +<r_ele> +<reb>おトク</reb> +<re_nokanji/> |
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12. | A* 2022-07-19 12:39:47 | |
Refs: | jitsuyo: https://www.weblio.jp/content/お得 |
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Comments: | there's a shopping site that says 定価より ¥319 おトク! meaning "¥319 cheaper than list price" or "save ¥319 from list price" here's another, a bit nonsensical example where the glosses don't really fit: 「なんでグラスが2つあるのよ。用意が周到過ぎない?」 「そ、それは‥‥私が両手にグラスをもって飲むためよ。」 「なによ、それ。」 「そうすると、何度もお酒をつぐ手間が省けるじゃない。2倍お得よね。」 |
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11. | A 2013-07-29 23:42:48 Jim Breen <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | As a matter of policy I like to cover as many forms as is reasonable, as a lot of apps/systems/etc. are doing searches based on the glosses. I should have applied the "can it be the subject of a sentence" test to 'good value'. Of course, you can actually say "Good value is one criterion I apply when choosing a restaurant." That test was often invoked by Bart Matthais on the SLJ group - if you can't say "XXが..." it isn't a noun. I note that many terms in 大辞林 which are marked as "名" fail that test. |
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10. | A* 2013-07-29 01:28:14 Richard Warmington <...address hidden...> | |
Comments: | Sorry to make such a fuss over a hyphen. :-) I didn't think think that having a hyphen was necessarily wrong. I just felt that it was preferable to have the two-word spelling if only one spelling was to be included. It seems that Webster often gives only one of the correct spellings for adjectives that are spelled two ways. e.g. Webster has only "up-to-date", whereas the Chicago Manual of Style says: . * Adjectival phrases: Hyphenated before a noun; usually open after a noun - an up-to-date solution - his equipment was up to date . ... whereas Wiktionary does include two spellings, as you have done for this entry (お得): up-to-date up to date (after the noun) |
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